Where to buy Bulletproof material...

[GAjon]

Guffy said:

A good thread to start the day

I suggest filling your case full of sand...

But that would expose you to the danger of the bigger boys kicking the sand in your eyes!

[Evanivitch]

OP, for economy and practicality i would look for a Kevlar equivalent (not the branded, overpriced for your needs).

It would still cause significant damage to anything inside the case/bag but would at least offer some protection to the user. Just don't put any Lithium batteries near it, and make sure it's well waterproofed.

Otherwise I think it's a novel idea, I can see Kanye buying a dozen...

[DoubleSix]

jdw100 said:

A bag won't help you.

When 50OHMustache and I were running covert ops behind enemy lines in twenny oh two during Operation Desert Spider Strike Top Trump II we realised we needed light weight ballistic protection. Obviously bullets fired by the A-rabs weren't as powerful as as those blasted down range from our American (oh say can you see....) AR-19 'Freedom Givers' but we still needed protection as well as flexibility.

We assessed a number of potential solutions such as ---redacted --- and --redacted -- and even --redacted--!

In the end though the solution was simple - we become bullet proof ourselves. Each day for six months a team of the best boxers in our unit (Walrus Team 8) would pummel us all over our bodies non-stop for eight or more hours.

After being punched hard in the stomach over 1 million times my abs can now deflect most calibres (sorry calibers) up to and including .99 and no word of a lie I once saw 50OH take a direct hit to his cranium from an RPG and shrug it off.

My advice to you, OP, is to leave your nice brownstone and go to the nearest martial arts centre (sorry, center) and get them to beat you until bulletproof. That way you won't need no nancy-boy bag or a cowards-briefcase.

(note; no one has actually carried a briefcase since about 2005)

Excellent work.

[Guvernator]

5ohmustang said:

Very detailed stuff about body armour

5o, you really are the gift that keeps on giving!

Hopefully you'll take this as a serious question and not a close minded comment on one of the points I picked up in your post, have you ever worn armoured diapers?

[toasty]

Hmm so you want some body armour. Not getting enough foam in your macchiato?

NSFW Violence/Swearing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO7Q66LtTRA

[madbadger]

Olivero said:

coanda said:

1/2" steel plate is readily available and will stop 9mm.

Would work but too heavy.

You could use super bainite. Wouldn't be anywhere near 1/2" to stop a 9mm.

We have a billet of it at work but it would need a bit of rolling. It is currently 180mm square.

[GC8]

Guvernator said:

5o, you really are the gift that keeps on giving!

Hopefully you'll take this as a serious question and not a close minded comment on one of the points I picked up in your post, have you ever worn armoured diapers?

I have worn body armour and you would be surprised just how much really important stuff is left uncovered!

Armoured pant would be a welcome upgrade.

[5ohmustang]

Guvernator said:

5o, you really are the gift that keeps on giving!

Hopefully you'll take this as a serious question and not a close minded comment on one of the points I picked up in your post, have you ever worn armoured diapers?

Yes, I have for my job.


So the deal with the diapers and deltoid protectors, they are used for when someone is in the gunners hatch/turret of a vehicle. It is too much to move around on foot, the unrequired sections snap off. They restrict movement and traps body heat. The Groin protector is usually in place when the diapers are not being used. The groin protector is the section that swings and flaps hitting your testies whenever you run. The neck yoke cuts into your neck when you look straight down. Which is why I remove it when given the choice.

Edited by 5ohmustang on Wednesday 29th March 12:47

[Guvernator]

5ohmustang said:

Yes, I have for my job.

Edited by 5ohmustang on Wednesday 29th March 12:47

Brilliant, this really should be in every self respecting powerfully built directors kit IMO. What happens if you need to use the loo in a hurry?

[5ohmustang]

If you need to piss you disconnect one side and do your business, in a bottle or hot beverage bag from an mre.

This is similar but a 2 piece pog instead of 1 piece. The video is unrealistic that it shows the guy walking around in the full system, in the heat it is not happening.

https://youtu.be/8hTLemdbVJs


Here is a British version.

https://youtu.be/EVHn0-neVbU

Hemorrhaging in extremities such as the groin and armpits are bad places to stop bleeding, however all the extra gear makes it difficult to function in. Hence I'll take a regular plate carrier.

[skinnyman]

Amazing:

http://www.bulletblocker.com/bullet-proof-briefcas...

[Hilts]

5ohmustang said:

Yes, I have for my job.


So the deal with the diapers and deltoid protectors, they are used for when someone is in the gunners hatch/turret of a vehicle. It is too much to move around on foot, the unrequired sections snap off. They restrict movement and traps body heat. The Groin protector is usually in place when the diapers are not being used. The groin protector is the section that swings and flaps hitting your testies whenever you run. The neck yoke cuts into your neck when you look straight down. Which is why I remove it when given the choice.

Edited by 5ohmustang on Wednesday 29th March 12:47

Not much use when the Hummer et al rolls over a big FOIED.

[Jonesy23]

Hilts said:

Not much use when the Hummer et al rolls over a big FOIED.

I don't know, they might help to keep some of your bits attached even if some of your limbs aren't.

(Not a joke given the nature of blast injuries and what people manage to survive & the consequences)

[98elise]

Jonesy23 said:

Hilts said:

Not much use when the Hummer et al rolls over a big FOIED.

I don't know, they might help to keep some of your bits attached even if some of your limbs aren't.

(Not a joke given the nature of blast injuries and what people manage to survive & the consequences)

I've met somone who lost two limbs from a mine. The first thing he did when he came around was to check he still had his tackle

[andy43]

I'd just get one of these.

Nobody's going to shoot you while carrying that

[deadtom]

would you want it to be able to stop the rounds dead without penetrating into the briefcase (ie to protect the contents) or just to stop the round before it gets to the person carrying it?

if the former then you will need hard plates, which will be pretty heavy. If the latter then you could probably save a lot of weight and use a combination of thinner and much lighter hard and soft plates on both sides of the case, effectively making a type of spaced composite armour system.

also 9 mm isn't a very energetic round, and given that the case would be free-ish to swing and absorb some of the impact I think it very unlikely that dropping it would be an issue (unless of course it was due to being made to jump by the sudden noise/impact, but that wouldn't be due to the force of the impact).

also also, while I too am somewhat incredulous at this idea, I suppose if it did kick off USA mass shooting style then you could hold the case over your torso (or head, but torso is a much easier target) and run like feck to the nearest hard cover for a bit of extra protection.

[citizensm1th]

GC8 said:

citizensm1th said:

ceramics are the way to go, either those or according to british army folk law a wet mod issue blanket could stop 9mm para back in the late 70's early 80's

but then we had just bought a whole shed load of shonky cheep ammo from india

Both bks! & true...

A wet blanket cannot hope to stop a hot 2CZ round, a wet general issue (GI) blanket could be used as a backstop for a .45ACP fired out of a 1911 pistol and I have seen this demonstrated. The .45 bullet is big and slow, whereas the .356 9mm bullet is light and fast.

I know its bks thats why its call british army folk law YOU HUMOURLESS TWONK

the only part thats true is we did buy some really shonky ammo from india it was so weak a Stirling sub machine gun struggled to cycle using it

[5ohmustang]

Hilts said:

Not much use when the Hummer et al rolls over a big FOIED.

Hummers were never designed to stop ied's or efp's.

They have not been in an active combat role for many years, they are not authorized to be used outside the wire. There main purpose is training and transportation.

The family of mraps have replaced the humvee until the Jltv is in service.

[mybrainhurts]

Olivero said:

sc0tt said:

Explanation required

I live in Brooklyn at the moment in a nice brownstone. Someone got shot and killed right outside in the street last year with what was most likely a 9mm. Happened at night and didn't hear a thing!
Been shot at when I lived in Bueons Airies by drug dealers, but not in a serious way. More of a warning shot than anything else.

Not planning to go to any war zones and my job is not connected with security in any way.

I am designing a leather briefcase that has some tech built in. World-wide geolocation tracking, RFID blocking, smartphone mobile charging, rapid backup and a few more things. With this in mind adding really basic bullet-resistant material might be a good plan.

If that works, you could expand into underpants.

[Olivero]

I am designing this bag mostly for my own use and how I travel. The bulletproof feature will not be needed by most people, but if it is not too bulky or heavy then why not.


Briefcase

I used the term briefcase to mean something more modern and less conspicuous than a Samsonite Hard Case or similar.

The idea is to blend in, not stick out...

This is the type of bag I use for work. I carry MacBook, papers, chargers and assorted cables, wireless headphones and some security stuff. The finished bag would look similar, just customized.




Real Use

Someone in the thread described this as mostly being a taking point in the boardroom. I couldn't agree more.
You would hope that there would be a million to one chance it would actually be needed, but in that scenario you would be grateful for something rather than nothing.



Legal Use

The law is a little bit grey when it comes to the type of incidental use I am thinking of. Wearing body armor is not allowed in many counties outside of military or security use. Exporting bulletproof material is also controlled.



Bag One - Apple

• Optional Bullet Resistant

- Single bullet resistant insert.
- Stab proof.
- Protection Level I or II
- Removable as needed.

SSD External Hard Drive
- Backup iPhone, iPad, MacBook on the go.
- Full encryption.
- Fast restore for iPhone.
- USB 3.1
- 250GB / 500GB / 1TB

Battery Power
- Charge (new) MacBook, iPad, iPhone
- 12,000mAh / 20,000mAh capacity

RFID Blocking Compartment
- For phone, security pass and connected cards.

Global GPS Tracker
- Real time tracking
- App connected

Other Security / Tech Features
- Some other things planned.


Bag Two - Android/PC

The same as Bag One, just made with Android and PC devices in mind.



Protection Levels

These are the US protection level ratings for bulletproof materials. Keeping in mind that 9mm amunition is very common here in the US, Level II seems to make the most sense.

Rating Ammunition Weight
(grains) Weight
(grams) Min/Max
(meters/sec) Min/Max
(feet/sec) Number
of shots
Level I .22 long rifle high velocity lead 40 2.6 320 +/- 12 1050 +/- 40 5
Level I .38 special round nose lead 158 10.2 259 +/- 15 850 +/- 50 5
Level II .357 mag. jacketed soft point 158 10.2 425 +/- 15 1395 +/- 50 5
Level II 9mm full metal jacket 124 8.0 358 +/- 12 1175 +/- 40 5
Level IIA .357 mag. jacketed soft point 158 10.2 381 +/- 15 1250 +/- 50 5
Level IIA 9mm full metal jacket 124 8.0 332 +/- 12 1090 +/- 40 5
Level III 7.62mm (.308 Winchester) full metal jacket 150 9.7 838 +/- 15 2750 +/- 50 5
Level IIIA .44 mag. lead semi-wadcutter gas checked 240 15.55 426 +/- 15 1400 +/- 50 5
Level IIIA 9 mm full metal jacket 124 8.0 426 +/- 15 1400 +/- 50 5


Plate Options

Trying to decide between a hard or soft plate. The hard plates is heavier but less bulky.
There is no need for the plated to be hard and would be replaced if struck.
Size would be 11x14 or similar to a standard chest plate.


Option 1 - Soft Kevlar Insert
- Soft and flexible.




Option 2 - Hard Kevlar Plate
- Compact.



Option 3 - Dyneema Hard Plate
- Lighter.




Advice welcome!