Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]
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I had to get my son to sign for his provisional driving license the other week and it was like watching an idiot. Couldn’t get it the same at all and had no idea of the concept of why it had to be repeatable to some extent.
An hour later and it was done. Only to get rejected 3 days later because he’d done it in blue and not black pen grrrrrr.
An hour later and it was done. Only to get rejected 3 days later because he’d done it in blue and not black pen grrrrrr.
I've always had immense difficulty producing a consistent signature. To the extent that it sometimes gets rejected.
Last time I needed to sign something was for a remortgage, which occurred during COVID and the conveyancers insisted on a "wet ink" witnessed signature which was an absolute palaver. Then they rejected it as it wasn't similar enough to the signature they had on file, despite the whole point of a witnessed signature being that it is witnessed!
Last time I needed to sign something was for a remortgage, which occurred during COVID and the conveyancers insisted on a "wet ink" witnessed signature which was an absolute palaver. Then they rejected it as it wasn't similar enough to the signature they had on file, despite the whole point of a witnessed signature being that it is witnessed!
droopsnoot said:
I also struggle with this, as my signature isn't really much more than a scribble. I tend to do better when having to sign inside a box.
I can't fit my signature in the height of the strip on the back of credit / debit cards. If I try to make it less tall it comes out wrong. Fortunately no-one has ever looked at it since chip&pin.StevieBee said:
That's a really interesting question. I don't know the answer but begs a second one, where do signatures come from?
Like you, I conceptualised, designed and developed mine during double Physics over several terms. But did everyone do that? I can't ever recall anyone telling me that I'd need a signature in life so get designing!
I never really had a proper signature until my first job, aged 15, in a campsite. Having to sign a couple of hundred booking forms and receipt letters a day soon honed it into a scribble that i can replicate with minimal effort.Like you, I conceptualised, designed and developed mine during double Physics over several terms. But did everyone do that? I can't ever recall anyone telling me that I'd need a signature in life so get designing!
QuartzDad said:
Was stationary in traffic opposite this recently and wondered what's inside? It appears to have air conditioning and a diesel generator. M40 J9 southbound. Would seem to be a weird place to put controls for the traffic lights on the roundabout above as you've got to do J10 to J8 to access it by vehicle.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.8688598,-1.1984103...
I think that's a telephone exchange. I used to install those air conditioning units, you'd be surprised how much heat those computers can put out!https://www.google.com/maps/@51.8688598,-1.1984103...
It'll be owned by BT / Vodafone / Virgin Media (but most likely BT).
WrekinCrew said:
droopsnoot said:
I also struggle with this, as my signature isn't really much more than a scribble. I tend to do better when having to sign inside a box.
I can't fit my signature in the height of the strip on the back of credit / debit cards. If I try to make it less tall it comes out wrong. Fortunately no-one has ever looked at it since chip&pin.Doofus said:
Are signatures still a thing for "young people"?
When I was 11 or 12 (or thereabouts) I spent ages 'designing' and practicing my signature, which was essentially my name and a squiggly flourish. My friends all did the same (with the onpwn names).
By the time I was 20, I'd developed a heiroglyph/monogram that, 35 years later, I'm still rather pleased with.
Last night, I signed a restaurant bill in the hotel at which I was staying, and it occurred to me that I'm not sire I can remember the last time I signed anything other than to pay household bills in France.
Given the demise of cheques, credit card draft slips, handwritten letters and so on, do the yoot' actually have signatures, or do they just write their names in their usual handwriting. Come to that, does anyone? Am I unusual in having a sginature that actually more of a symbol than anything legible?
I remember the worst thing about trying to perfect my signature was trying to do it with a nib dipped in a pot of ink.When I was 11 or 12 (or thereabouts) I spent ages 'designing' and practicing my signature, which was essentially my name and a squiggly flourish. My friends all did the same (with the onpwn names).
By the time I was 20, I'd developed a heiroglyph/monogram that, 35 years later, I'm still rather pleased with.
Last night, I signed a restaurant bill in the hotel at which I was staying, and it occurred to me that I'm not sire I can remember the last time I signed anything other than to pay household bills in France.
Given the demise of cheques, credit card draft slips, handwritten letters and so on, do the yoot' actually have signatures, or do they just write their names in their usual handwriting. Come to that, does anyone? Am I unusual in having a sginature that actually more of a symbol than anything legible?
Doofus said:
Are signatures still a thing for "young people"?
When I was 11 or 12 (or thereabouts) I spent ages 'designing' and practicing my signature, which was essentially my name and a squiggly flourish. My friends all did the same (with the onpwn names).
By the time I was 20, I'd developed a heiroglyph/monogram that, 35 years later, I'm still rather pleased with.
Last night, I signed a restaurant bill in the hotel at which I was staying, and it occurred to me that I'm not sire I can remember the last time I signed anything other than to pay household bills in France.
Given the demise of cheques, credit card draft slips, handwritten letters and so on, do the yoot' actually have signatures, or do they just write their names in their usual handwriting. Come to that, does anyone? Am I unusual in having a sginature that actually more of a symbol than anything legible?
For the younger generation, I suspect not. All transactions are digital, and I bet most wouldn't know what a cheque book is. Don't passports and driving licences still need a signature mind, near everyone has those. The only other time I can recall using my signature in recent years is to hand sign a covering letter or the like, to show a human has 'signed it off', rather than just pressing a print button.When I was 11 or 12 (or thereabouts) I spent ages 'designing' and practicing my signature, which was essentially my name and a squiggly flourish. My friends all did the same (with the onpwn names).
By the time I was 20, I'd developed a heiroglyph/monogram that, 35 years later, I'm still rather pleased with.
Last night, I signed a restaurant bill in the hotel at which I was staying, and it occurred to me that I'm not sire I can remember the last time I signed anything other than to pay household bills in France.
Given the demise of cheques, credit card draft slips, handwritten letters and so on, do the yoot' actually have signatures, or do they just write their names in their usual handwriting. Come to that, does anyone? Am I unusual in having a sginature that actually more of a symbol than anything legible?
audi321 said:
I had to get my son to sign for his provisional driving license the other week and it was like watching an idiot. Couldn’t get it the same at all and had no idea of the concept of why it had to be repeatable to some extent.
An hour later and it was done. Only to get rejected 3 days later because he’d done it in blue and not black pen grrrrrr.
Why are you bothered about it?An hour later and it was done. Only to get rejected 3 days later because he’d done it in blue and not black pen grrrrrr.
It's your son's problem, not yours.
Truckosaurus said:
StevieBee said:
....where do signatures come from?....
Was it just a way back in the day to tell who was educated (and could therefore write their own name) and who was not (who signed with an X)?Emporors and nobility started using cignet rings and wax seals in the Roman empire to certify their documents.
Signatures didn't have a legal status until the 17th century. X is technically a signature (no requirement for a signature to be related to your name or even in a language AFAIK) so it wasn't used to differentiate between those who could write and those who couldn't.
Strangely Brown said:
Doofus said:
Are signatures still a thing for "young people"?
When I was 11 or 12 (or thereabouts) I spent ages 'designing' and practicing my signature, which was essentially my name and a squiggly flourish. My friends all did the same (with the onpwn names).
By the time I was 20, I'd developed a heiroglyph/monogram that, 35 years later, I'm still rather pleased with.
Last night, I signed a restaurant bill in the hotel at which I was staying, and it occurred to me that I'm not sire I can remember the last time I signed anything other than to pay household bills in France.
Given the demise of cheques, credit card draft slips, handwritten letters and so on, do the yoot' actually have signatures, or do they just write their names in their usual handwriting. Come to that, does anyone? Am I unusual in having a sginature that actually more of a symbol than anything legible?
I think you might find that they don't actually use handwriting for anything any more. AFAIK, everything is typed now.When I was 11 or 12 (or thereabouts) I spent ages 'designing' and practicing my signature, which was essentially my name and a squiggly flourish. My friends all did the same (with the onpwn names).
By the time I was 20, I'd developed a heiroglyph/monogram that, 35 years later, I'm still rather pleased with.
Last night, I signed a restaurant bill in the hotel at which I was staying, and it occurred to me that I'm not sire I can remember the last time I signed anything other than to pay household bills in France.
Given the demise of cheques, credit card draft slips, handwritten letters and so on, do the yoot' actually have signatures, or do they just write their names in their usual handwriting. Come to that, does anyone? Am I unusual in having a sginature that actually more of a symbol than anything legible?
I've basically lost the ability to write naturally. I have to think about what I'm doing.
StevieBee said:
captain_cynic said:
Emporors and nobility started using cignet rings and wax seals in the Roman empire to certify their documents.
So, I'm guessing 'cignet' is the root of the word signature? captain_cynic said:
Truckosaurus said:
StevieBee said:
....where do signatures come from?....
Was it just a way back in the day to tell who was educated (and could therefore write their own name) and who was not (who signed with an X)?Emporors and nobility started using cignet rings and wax seals in the Roman empire to certify their documents.
Signatures didn't have a legal status until the 17th century. X is technically a signature (no requirement for a signature to be related to your name or even in a language AFAIK) so it wasn't used to differentiate between those who could write and those who couldn't.
CivicDuties said:
Blimey, you've just triggered a very early memory, of going to the Post Office with my great grandmother for her to collect her pension, and her signing it with an X because she'd never learned to read nor write. Crumbs.
If you couldn't read or write, wouldn't you get someone show you what your name looked like written down, and then practice copying that?spitfire-ian said:
StevieBee said:
captain_cynic said:
Emporors and nobility started using cignet rings and wax seals in the Roman empire to certify their documents.
So, I'm guessing 'cignet' is the root of the word signature? Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff