Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?

[Brother D]

There's been a conspiracy theory about rap artists in the USA being controlled by execs who make them do some pretty unsavory acts which results in certain people being promoted and others demoted for not "following the line".

Now it seems there was elements of truth to it with raids on people's house etc.

Would this fit as an actual conspiracy theory or just rumors coming true?

[Blown2CV]

what would be the point in attacking infrastructure and then not claiming responsibility?

[Flumpo]

Coincidence?!? - MAGA now!

[coldel]

Brother D said:

There's been a conspiracy theory about rap artists in the USA being controlled by execs who make them do some pretty unsavory acts which results in certain people being promoted and others demoted for not "following the line".

Now it seems there was elements of truth to it with raids on people's house etc.

Would this fit as an actual conspiracy theory or just rumors coming true?

It really depends on a case by case basis. When you say execs, do you mean board members within the company that the rap artist works for? And that they are asking them to create content that works a certain way? As always details and context matter.

A conspiracy is usually something that is fundamentally made up with no substance or credible evidence (usually replaced with out of context anecdotal media articles) and presented as the truth, and most importantly usually there is an underlying agenda associated with it and the person presenting it. A rumour, in my mind, is just idle gossip with a much less reliance on that underlying agenda.

Edited by coldel on Wednesday 27th March 11:34

[Caddyshack]

coldel said:

Caddyshack said:

coldel said:

Was that bridge a key strategic target then? If so, why?

I guess it would be as 200 million dollars of trade passes through there on a very frequent basis. Look at the issues the Panama canal caused with supply chains.


I am not a believer by the way. Nothing more than a ship crashing.

Im sure it wont be long before that is cleared though. So more tactical than strategic.

So what terrorist organisation are they laying the blame at? Given they seem to have a lot of information on it

Peoples front of Judea?

[Boobonman]

Blown2CV said:

what would be the point in attacking infrastructure and then not claiming responsibility?

Who claimed responsibility for the Nordstream attack?

[Blown2CV]

Boobonman said:

Blown2CV said:

what would be the point in attacking infrastructure and then not claiming responsibility?

Who claimed responsibility for the Nordstream attack?

I should have added ".... if you are a terrorist organisation"

[DanL]

Brother D said:

There's been a conspiracy theory about rap artists in the USA being controlled by execs who make them do some pretty unsavory acts which results in certain people being promoted and others demoted for not "following the line".

Now it seems there was elements of truth to it with raids on people's house etc.

Would this fit as an actual conspiracy theory or just rumors coming true?

Is that a conspiracy theory, or a description of how some of the entertainment industry (unfortunately) appears to work? See Harvey Weinstein, “casting couches”, etc…

[Blown2CV]

DanL said:

Brother D said:

There's been a conspiracy theory about rap artists in the USA being controlled by execs who make them do some pretty unsavory acts which results in certain people being promoted and others demoted for not "following the line".

Now it seems there was elements of truth to it with raids on people's house etc.

Would this fit as an actual conspiracy theory or just rumors coming true?

Is that a conspiracy theory, or a description of how some of the entertainment industry (unfortunately) appears to work? See Harvey Weinstein, “casting couches”, etc…

the conspiracy theory is just how extensive, connected and organised it is. The evidence could show that it is just that whatever artist or industry mogul loved raping people, however the CT says that this is an organised thing across the entire entertainment industry and is linked to child sex trafficking, malicious state actors, something to do with Israel and on and on. It could still just be isolated instances of rich people abusing their power and influence.

[DanL]

Blown2CV said:

DanL said:

Brother D said:

There's been a conspiracy theory about rap artists in the USA being controlled by execs who make them do some pretty unsavory acts which results in certain people being promoted and others demoted for not "following the line".

Now it seems there was elements of truth to it with raids on people's house etc.

Would this fit as an actual conspiracy theory or just rumors coming true?

Is that a conspiracy theory, or a description of how some of the entertainment industry (unfortunately) appears to work? See Harvey Weinstein, “casting couches”, etc…

the conspiracy theory is just how extensive, connected and organised it is. The evidence could show that it is just that whatever artist or industry mogul loved raping people, however the CT says that this is an organised thing across the entire entertainment industry and is linked to child sex trafficking, malicious state actors, something to do with Israel and on and on. It could still just be isolated instances of rich people abusing their power and influence.

Ah, ok - the second bit (in bold) are the usual conspiracy theory tropes, aren’t they? I’d be surprised if that bit turned out to be true, rather than it being a bunch of people in power taking advantage of that power for their own gratification.

[Blown2CV]

DanL said:

Blown2CV said:

DanL said:

Brother D said:

There's been a conspiracy theory about rap artists in the USA being controlled by execs who make them do some pretty unsavory acts which results in certain people being promoted and others demoted for not "following the line".

Now it seems there was elements of truth to it with raids on people's house etc.

Would this fit as an actual conspiracy theory or just rumors coming true?

Is that a conspiracy theory, or a description of how some of the entertainment industry (unfortunately) appears to work? See Harvey Weinstein, “casting couches”, etc…

the conspiracy theory is just how extensive, connected and organised it is. The evidence could show that it is just that whatever artist or industry mogul loved raping people, however the CT says that this is an organised thing across the entire entertainment industry and is linked to child sex trafficking, malicious state actors, something to do with Israel and on and on. It could still just be isolated instances of rich people abusing their power and influence.

Ah, ok - the second bit (in bold) are the usual conspiracy theory tropes, aren’t they? I’d be surprised if that bit turned out to be true, rather than it being a bunch of people in power taking advantage of that power for their own gratification.

basically yea

[Chromegrill]

There is something quite frightening about someone in as senior a position of authority as a former Republican candidate for Governor of Georgia posting this on X:

posting this on X:

And the cops conveniently stopped cars just moments before the ship slammed into it?
And y’all are on here saying this is conspiracy stuff?
And the bridge is named after the author of our National Anthem?
Come on, now.

Without stopping to consider the alternative possibility that during the two minutes the ship's crew realised they were likely to hit the bridge, they called a Mayday, anbd the police and authorities at either end of the bridge did their job and stopped traffic from joining the bridge.

Supposedly she also believes in a flat earth, but how difficult is it to believe that if you are piloting a huge ship and radio for help, people who are in a position to do so are going to respond to that call and do whatever they can in the time available to intervene and prevent an even bigger disaster? Goodness knows how bad those officers must be feeling for the loss of the road repair team, let alone how they would be feeling if they knew a politician is effectively claiming their existence is part of a conspiracy theory?

[coldel]

Chromegrill said:

There is something quite frightening about someone in as senior a position of authority as a former Republican candidate for Governor of Georgia posting this on X:

posting this on X:

And the cops conveniently stopped cars just moments before the ship slammed into it?
And y’all are on here saying this is conspiracy stuff?
And the bridge is named after the author of our National Anthem?
Come on, now.

Without stopping to consider the alternative possibility that during the two minutes the ship's crew realised they were likely to hit the bridge, they called a Mayday, anbd the police and authorities at either end of the bridge did their job and stopped traffic from joining the bridge.

Supposedly she also believes in a flat earth, but how difficult is it to believe that if you are piloting a huge ship and radio for help, people who are in a position to do so are going to respond to that call and do whatever they can in the time available to intervene and prevent an even bigger disaster? Goodness knows how bad those officers must be feeling for the loss of the road repair team, let alone how they would be feeling if they knew a politician is effectively claiming their existence is part of a conspiracy theory?

So are her ? marks in her tweet her 'just asking questions' - what if she doesn't like the answers. What about the release of the first responder recording, will she be satisfied with that or does she have an underlying agenda with her 'questions' where she only wants one outcome that aligns with her pre-disposition on the matter...

[MBBlat]

coldel said:

So are her ? marks in her tweet her 'just asking questions' - what if she doesn't like the answers. What about the release of the first responder recording, will she be satisfied with that or does she have an underlying agenda with her 'questions' where she only wants one outcome that aligns with her pre-disposition on the matter...

“Just asking questions” or JAQing off, stock in trade for CTs. Note they are never actually interested in the answers, it’s a method to installing doubt into their audience.

[dickymint]

Blown2CV said:

what would be the point in attacking infrastructure and then not claiming responsibility?

Umm... ........so you don't get caught?

[g3org3y]

Brother D said:

There's been a conspiracy theory about rap artists in the USA being controlled by execs who make them do some pretty unsavory acts which results in certain people being promoted and others demoted for not "following the line".

Now it seems there was elements of truth to it with raids on people's house etc.

Would this fit as an actual conspiracy theory or just rumors coming true?

Is this the stuff involving P Diddy? (Heard it mentioned on a podcast Destiny did with Candace Owens)

[LF5335]

dickymint said:

Blown2CV said:

what would be the point in attacking infrastructure and then not claiming responsibility?

Umm... ........so you don't get caught?

Errrrr, they don’t claim it personally

[nismocat]

I saw on TikTok some guy pointing out that you can see flames when the bridge collapsed and it was obviously thermite. Other commented it was power cables snapping, high tensile cables breaking and/or whipping the metal structure, but no, thermite. Has to be thermite.

It is always thermite.

Or it just could have been a massive ship hitting a weak point.

No, thermite. Inside job.


I really believe that most of these conspiracy nuts are anything but. They just do it to appeal to the hard of thinking and make money from it. They do not for one second believe what they write. Alex jones springs to mind.

[Baroque attacks]

They just do it for attention, likely as nothing else in their life warrants it.

You just have to look at they type of people who become CT.

[coldel]

It’s exactly that. Details are still being recovered, facts established, witnesses spoken to. Yet some people believe they can just go on twitter and infer what’s happened as if they are somehow in the know.

From the publicly available information we can see smoke coming from the ship and an electrical failure, it then veered towards the support.