A bit council (Vol 6)
Discussion
dundarach said:
I taught for a while at an inner city school and loved it, not that it matters.
What does matter, is that however much you might think these people are somehow 'winning' or cheating the system, they're not. They'll grow up into a very small world with a very small outlook on life sadly.
If you're jealous because they have a newer car, a PS5 and a massive wall mounted TV, don't be, because that's all they have.
Lack of aspiration, chasing the trend, thinking stuff matters, especially stuff you can flash about and a total lack of appreciation that there's a whole world out there, is the essence of Council.
Let them have their kids, tattoos, vapes, white ranger rovers, loud shouting voices, small malnourished fathers and everything else we moan about on here.
What they don't have is the ability, desire or ambition to do anything else, not that they have to if they're happy, so let them be and don't wind yourself up any longer!!
They don't care.
Very true. I have a relative, 4 kids by 3 fathers, all weed addled non working losers. The benefits lifestyle provides enough to survive reasonably basic comfort.What does matter, is that however much you might think these people are somehow 'winning' or cheating the system, they're not. They'll grow up into a very small world with a very small outlook on life sadly.
If you're jealous because they have a newer car, a PS5 and a massive wall mounted TV, don't be, because that's all they have.
Lack of aspiration, chasing the trend, thinking stuff matters, especially stuff you can flash about and a total lack of appreciation that there's a whole world out there, is the essence of Council.
Let them have their kids, tattoos, vapes, white ranger rovers, loud shouting voices, small malnourished fathers and everything else we moan about on here.
What they don't have is the ability, desire or ambition to do anything else, not that they have to if they're happy, so let them be and don't wind yourself up any longer!!
They don't care.
Add the luxuries like week, fags and tinnies, and it goes to rats
t. Constant low level fighting about respect and petty drug debt means everyday life is disorganised, chaotic and miserable.One of the kids is clever, articulate and focussed. But being worn down to the family 'standard'.
Portofino said:
mrmistoffelees said:
Grim.mrmistoffelees said:
Nostalgia. The home counties are just so boring.
conkerman said:
mrmistoffelees said:
Nostalgia. The home counties are just so boring.
conkerman said:
mrmistoffelees said:
Nostalgia. The home counties are just so boring.
Spare tyre said:
conkerman said:
mrmistoffelees said:
Nostalgia. The home counties are just so boring.
pocketspring said:
Spare tyre said:
conkerman said:
mrmistoffelees said:
Nostalgia. The home counties are just so boring.
We did see some people from Basingstoke there, couldnt understand what they were saying with the thick northern twang
Spare tyre said:
pocketspring said:
Spare tyre said:
conkerman said:
mrmistoffelees said:
Nostalgia. The home counties are just so boring.
We did see some people from Basingstoke there, couldnt understand what they were saying with the thick northern twang
WarrenB said:
A mate of mine works for a social housing enterprise as a joiner. Met him for dinner on Friday, he'd just come from a house where the single mother of three was rehearsing with her youngest child what he needs to do at the doctors so he can get diagnosed with autism and ADHD 'so we can get a car then'. A lot of these people seem to know exactly what to do, what to say and how to act to get what they want.
A couple we know are already coaching their daughter on what illnesses she needs to be diagnosed with by their very helpful doctor to get maximum benefits. dundarach said:
I taught for a while at an inner city school and loved it, not that it matters.
What does matter, is that however much you might think these people are somehow 'winning' or cheating the system, they're not. They'll grow up into a very small world with a very small outlook on life sadly.
If you're jealous because they have a newer car, a PS5 and a massive wall mounted TV, don't be, because that's all they have.
Lack of aspiration, chasing the trend, thinking stuff matters, especially stuff you can flash about and a total lack of appreciation that there's a whole world out there, is the essence of Council.
Let them have their kids, tattoos, vapes, white ranger rovers, loud shouting voices, small malnourished fathers and everything else we moan about on here.
What they don't have is the ability, desire or ambition to do anything else, not that they have to if they're happy, so let them be and don't wind yourself up any longer!!
I am more than happy for them to have all of those things... when they can pay for them themselves. Just because you want them it doesn't mean you deserve them. Earn it!What does matter, is that however much you might think these people are somehow 'winning' or cheating the system, they're not. They'll grow up into a very small world with a very small outlook on life sadly.
If you're jealous because they have a newer car, a PS5 and a massive wall mounted TV, don't be, because that's all they have.
Lack of aspiration, chasing the trend, thinking stuff matters, especially stuff you can flash about and a total lack of appreciation that there's a whole world out there, is the essence of Council.
Let them have their kids, tattoos, vapes, white ranger rovers, loud shouting voices, small malnourished fathers and everything else we moan about on here.
What they don't have is the ability, desire or ambition to do anything else, not that they have to if they're happy, so let them be and don't wind yourself up any longer!!
dundarach said:
They don't care.
And neither do I. Too many people caring that the poor diddums don't have the things the rest of work for is one of the reasons we're in this mess.sherbertdip said:
Tom8 said:
But surely they are all "vulnerable" and "suffer immense poverty" etc etc. Gayden and Hayden will always have ADHD etc etc
Not knowing that Hayden is a real name with history not a made up bdisation is council!Red9zero said:
WarrenB said:
A mate of mine works for a social housing enterprise as a joiner. Met him for dinner on Friday, he'd just come from a house where the single mother of three was rehearsing with her youngest child what he needs to do at the doctors so he can get diagnosed with autism and ADHD 'so we can get a car then'. A lot of these people seem to know exactly what to do, what to say and how to act to get what they want.
A couple we know are already coaching their daughter on what illnesses she needs to be diagnosed with by their very helpful doctor to get maximum benefits. One who is 13 and thick/0 attention span and one who is nearly 4 and can barely speak. The youngest also has problems with his tooth development on one side because he has a dummy in 24/7; they don't seem to think it's the dummy to blame for either issue (the vocabulary or the teeth).
The older one just gets 0 attention in the house and has played computer games relentlessly since he was 7.
However, get a label on them and they can be absolved of their parenting failures.
dundarach said:
I taught for a while at an inner city school and loved it, not that it matters.
What does matter, is that however much you might think these people are somehow 'winning' or cheating the system, they're not. They'll grow up into a very small world with a very small outlook on life sadly.
If you're jealous because they have a newer car, a PS5 and a massive wall mounted TV, don't be, because that's all they have.
Lack of aspiration, chasing the trend, thinking stuff matters, especially stuff you can flash about and a total lack of appreciation that there's a whole world out there, is the essence of Council.
Let them have their kids, tattoos, vapes, white ranger rovers, loud shouting voices, small malnourished fathers and everything else we moan about on here.
What they don't have is the ability, desire or ambition to do anything else, not that they have to if they're happy, so let them be and don't wind yourself up any longer!!
They don't care.
That’s a very interesting take on it all.What does matter, is that however much you might think these people are somehow 'winning' or cheating the system, they're not. They'll grow up into a very small world with a very small outlook on life sadly.
If you're jealous because they have a newer car, a PS5 and a massive wall mounted TV, don't be, because that's all they have.
Lack of aspiration, chasing the trend, thinking stuff matters, especially stuff you can flash about and a total lack of appreciation that there's a whole world out there, is the essence of Council.
Let them have their kids, tattoos, vapes, white ranger rovers, loud shouting voices, small malnourished fathers and everything else we moan about on here.
What they don't have is the ability, desire or ambition to do anything else, not that they have to if they're happy, so let them be and don't wind yourself up any longer!!
They don't care.
I read a really sad article a few years ago. A charity had taken a group of young guys at risk of gang lifestyle from homes in Hackney to Westminster. They had never really been out of their own area and had to be reassured that being out of their few streets/postcode didn’t mean they would be in danger.
Imagine having that outlook on life….
With the people you discuss above; so true re ambition or lack thereof. You simply never meet this kind of person from UK when travelling anywhere off the beaten track or when living in another country.
Has a different meaning now ‘council’. Both my parents were brought up post-war in council housing. Nice areas where people kept their houses and gardens neat and tidy.
The houses (one in Surrey, one in Gloucestershire) had greens in front of them for kids to play. I used to really enjoy visiting my grandparents. Cliche….but there was a real sense of community.
None of my aunts and uncles moved into council accommodation. All my various cousins have gone on to do okay as well.
I wouldn’t have minded living how my grandparents lived; although one set didn't get an inside toilet until the 1955, as my dad likes to remind me… I’d have been happy to be ‘council’.
(Also apart from being messed up like my grandads from the artic convoys or being a stretcher bearer in North Africa and Italy.)
jdw100 said:
That’s a very interesting take on it all.
I read a really sad article a few years ago. A charity had taken a group of young guys at risk of gang lifestyle from homes in Hackney to Westminster. They had never really been out of their own area and had to be reassured that being out of their few streets/postcode didn’t mean they would be in danger.
Imagine having that outlook on life….
In 2012 we went (several times actually) to David Hockey’s exhibition A Bigger Picture at the Royal Academy. I stood for a while in front of this picture.I read a really sad article a few years ago. A charity had taken a group of young guys at risk of gang lifestyle from homes in Hackney to Westminster. They had never really been out of their own area and had to be reassured that being out of their few streets/postcode didn’t mean they would be in danger.
Imagine having that outlook on life….
There was a school party there at the time, almost all teenagers of Afro/Caribbean descent, presumably from a London secondary school. One lad was standing next to me, and I noticed he was fascinated by the picture. One of the teachers must have noticed as well and can up and said to him that he obviously liked it.Yeah, he said. Have you ever been anywhere like that? the teacher asked. The lad slowly shook his head.
I lived in Epping at the time. Experiencing a forest was a daily occurrence for me and my two sons. It brought home to me what narrow lives boys from inner city schools must lead.
Roofless Toothless said:
jdw100 said:
That’s a very interesting take on it all.
I read a really sad article a few years ago. A charity had taken a group of young guys at risk of gang lifestyle from homes in Hackney to Westminster. They had never really been out of their own area and had to be reassured that being out of their few streets/postcode didn’t mean they would be in danger.
Imagine having that outlook on life….
In 2012 we went (several times actually) to David Hockey’s exhibition A Bigger Picture at the Royal Academy. I stood for a while in front of this picture.I read a really sad article a few years ago. A charity had taken a group of young guys at risk of gang lifestyle from homes in Hackney to Westminster. They had never really been out of their own area and had to be reassured that being out of their few streets/postcode didn’t mean they would be in danger.
Imagine having that outlook on life….
There was a school party there at the time, almost all teenagers of Afro/Caribbean descent, presumably from a London secondary school. One lad was standing next to me, and I noticed he was fascinated by the picture. One of the teachers must have noticed as well and can up and said to him that he obviously liked it.Yeah, he said. Have you ever been anywhere like that? the teacher asked. The lad slowly shook his head.
I lived in Epping at the time. Experiencing a forest was a daily occurrence for me and my two sons. It brought home to me what narrow lives boys from inner city schools must lead.
My ex and I used to do a lot of walking hiking. When living in London we were given a book that had routes around the M25 (inside) nearly all of which were green paths.
Took us a couple or three years of occasional weekends to get it all done. Sometimes you would not even realise you were not that far away from the M25 but also how much farmed land and green space; forests, copses, meadows, rivers etc. Quite amazing.
During all that time, we met very few people and I’ll say all were white and dressed in walking gear.
Same as in Lake District, Peaks, Snowdonia etc…its a very white pastime.
I am talking 10-15 years ago so things may have changed of course.
If you are, what we are calling ‘council’ or ‘inner city’ and in a big city, how do you get the opportunity or information to get out into the countryside unless someone (school?) proactively makes it happen?
jdw100 said:
Roofless Toothless said:
jdw100 said:
That’s a very interesting take on it all.
I read a really sad article a few years ago. A charity had taken a group of young guys at risk of gang lifestyle from homes in Hackney to Westminster. They had never really been out of their own area and had to be reassured that being out of their few streets/postcode didn’t mean they would be in danger.
Imagine having that outlook on life….
In 2012 we went (several times actually) to David Hockey’s exhibition A Bigger Picture at the Royal Academy. I stood for a while in front of this picture.I read a really sad article a few years ago. A charity had taken a group of young guys at risk of gang lifestyle from homes in Hackney to Westminster. They had never really been out of their own area and had to be reassured that being out of their few streets/postcode didn’t mean they would be in danger.
Imagine having that outlook on life….
There was a school party there at the time, almost all teenagers of Afro/Caribbean descent, presumably from a London secondary school. One lad was standing next to me, and I noticed he was fascinated by the picture. One of the teachers must have noticed as well and can up and said to him that he obviously liked it.Yeah, he said. Have you ever been anywhere like that? the teacher asked. The lad slowly shook his head.
I lived in Epping at the time. Experiencing a forest was a daily occurrence for me and my two sons. It brought home to me what narrow lives boys from inner city schools must lead.
My ex and I used to do a lot of walking hiking. When living in London we were given a book that had routes around the M25 (inside) nearly all of which were green paths.
Took us a couple or three years of occasional weekends to get it all done. Sometimes you would not even realise you were not that far away from the M25 but also how much farmed land and green space; forests, copses, meadows, rivers etc. Quite amazing.
During all that time, we met very few people and I’ll say all were white and dressed in walking gear.
Same as in Lake District, Peaks, Snowdonia etc…its a very white pastime.
I am talking 10-15 years ago so things may have changed of course.
If you are, what we are calling ‘council’ or ‘inner city’ and in a big city, how do you get the opportunity or information to get out into the countryside unless someone (school?) proactively makes it happen?
DodgyGeezer said:
jdw100 said:
Roofless Toothless said:
jdw100 said:
That’s a very interesting take on it all.
I read a really sad article a few years ago. A charity had taken a group of young guys at risk of gang lifestyle from homes in Hackney to Westminster. They had never really been out of their own area and had to be reassured that being out of their few streets/postcode didn’t mean they would be in danger.
Imagine having that outlook on life….
In 2012 we went (several times actually) to David Hockey’s exhibition A Bigger Picture at the Royal Academy. I stood for a while in front of this picture.I read a really sad article a few years ago. A charity had taken a group of young guys at risk of gang lifestyle from homes in Hackney to Westminster. They had never really been out of their own area and had to be reassured that being out of their few streets/postcode didn’t mean they would be in danger.
Imagine having that outlook on life….
There was a school party there at the time, almost all teenagers of Afro/Caribbean descent, presumably from a London secondary school. One lad was standing next to me, and I noticed he was fascinated by the picture. One of the teachers must have noticed as well and can up and said to him that he obviously liked it.Yeah, he said. Have you ever been anywhere like that? the teacher asked. The lad slowly shook his head.
I lived in Epping at the time. Experiencing a forest was a daily occurrence for me and my two sons. It brought home to me what narrow lives boys from inner city schools must lead.
My ex and I used to do a lot of walking hiking. When living in London we were given a book that had routes around the M25 (inside) nearly all of which were green paths.
Took us a couple or three years of occasional weekends to get it all done. Sometimes you would not even realise you were not that far away from the M25 but also how much farmed land and green space; forests, copses, meadows, rivers etc. Quite amazing.
During all that time, we met very few people and I’ll say all were white and dressed in walking gear.
Same as in Lake District, Peaks, Snowdonia etc…its a very white pastime.
I am talking 10-15 years ago so things may have changed of course.
If you are, what we are calling ‘council’ or ‘inner city’ and in a big city, how do you get the opportunity or information to get out into the countryside unless someone (school?) proactively makes it happen?
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