A bit council (Vol 6)

A bit council (Vol 6)

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popeyewhite

20,024 posts

121 months

Tuesday 12th March
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DodgyGeezer said:
that is a complaint that has been made - the countryside is too white.
It's not 'too' white, but the fact is that traipsing around in mud and rain is not part of Indian/African/Arab culture. It is a gene-level part of English culture - like discussing the weather. I know a few non-white English people and not one of them enjoys the dull English countryside. They think I'm barmy going up a mountain or walking the dog on the moors.

Portofino

4,308 posts

192 months

Tuesday 12th March
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I live in a pretty standard commuter town in Surrey & kids from one of the local primary schools go out to a farm in Sussex for a day.

One of our friends works at this farm & she can not believe the kids lack of knowledge.

No idea that meat is from animals, where eggs/milk come from etc etc, & this isn’t an inner city school. Shocking really.

popeyewhite

20,024 posts

121 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Portofino said:
I live in a pretty standard commuter town in Surrey & kids from one of the local primary schools go out to a farm in Sussex for a day.

One of our friends works at this farm & she can not believe the kids lack of knowledge.

No idea that meat is from animals, where eggs/milk come from etc etc, & this isn’t an inner city school. Shocking really.
It is shocking. Why so little knowledge? It's not about lack of non-whites in the countryside, it's about lack of education regarding the ecosystem they live in.
Last weekend walking the dog some girls in Muslim headwear were taking pictures of cows in a field. Normal cows.

spitfire-ian

3,846 posts

229 months

Tuesday 12th March
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popeyewhite said:
It is shocking. Why so little knowledge? It's not about lack of non-whites in the countryside, it's about lack of education regarding the ecosystem they live in.
Last weekend walking the dog some girls in Muslim headwear were taking pictures of cows in a field. Normal cows.
Someone I knew at university didn't know how big cows were until she was on the train from London to Bristol to start her course. She had previously thought they were the size of a large dog.

That was getting on for 30 years ago though so less social media, etc.

Edited by spitfire-ian on Tuesday 12th March 11:11

Spare tyre

9,649 posts

131 months

Tuesday 12th March
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popeyewhite said:
It is shocking. Why so little knowledge? It's not about lack of non-whites in the countryside, it's about lack of education regarding the ecosystem they live in.
Last weekend walking the dog some girls in Muslim headwear were taking pictures of cows in a field. Normal cows.
Holy cow?

HTP99

22,629 posts

141 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Spare tyre said:
popeyewhite said:
It is shocking. Why so little knowledge? It's not about lack of non-whites in the countryside, it's about lack of education regarding the ecosystem they live in.
Last weekend walking the dog some girls in Muslim headwear were taking pictures of cows in a field. Normal cows.
Holy cow?
To be fair, the wife always takes pictures of sheep and goats when we are out walking, we see plenty, the countryside is nearby, we walk regularly off the beaten track, she just likes sheep and goats, tbh I think when she gets home and goes through her pictures she deletes most of them.

Spare tyre

9,649 posts

131 months

Tuesday 12th March
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HTP99 said:
Spare tyre said:
popeyewhite said:
It is shocking. Why so little knowledge? It's not about lack of non-whites in the countryside, it's about lack of education regarding the ecosystem they live in.
Last weekend walking the dog some girls in Muslim headwear were taking pictures of cows in a field. Normal cows.
Holy cow?
To be fair, the wife always takes pictures of sheep and goats when we are out walking, we see plenty, the countryside is nearby, we walk regularly off the beaten track, she just likes sheep and goats, tbh I think when she gets home and goes through her pictures she deletes most of them.
She will get the local farming facebook groups in a lather

Ean218

1,970 posts

251 months

Tuesday 12th March
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popeyewhite said:
It is shocking. Why so little knowledge? It's not about lack of non-whites in the countryside, it's about lack of education regarding the ecosystem they live in.
Last weekend walking the dog some girls in Muslim headwear were taking pictures of cows in a field. Normal cows.
It's widespread, we were out with the dog last year walking the local footpaths and we came across a group of girls gathered at a stile to enter a field. It turned out they were on a Duke of Edinburgh expedition and as none had ever seen a cow close up they were terrified of entering the field where the young heifers were having a drink from their trough. We carried on, they turned back.

LankyFreak

670 posts

29 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Instagram adverts for male breeding dogs. If you haven't seen one, find one. Gloriously, unashamedly council.

moorx

3,547 posts

115 months

Tuesday 12th March
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HTP99 said:
Spare tyre said:
popeyewhite said:
It is shocking. Why so little knowledge? It's not about lack of non-whites in the countryside, it's about lack of education regarding the ecosystem they live in.
Last weekend walking the dog some girls in Muslim headwear were taking pictures of cows in a field. Normal cows.
Holy cow?
To be fair, the wife always takes pictures of sheep and goats when we are out walking, we see plenty, the countryside is nearby, we walk regularly off the beaten track, she just likes sheep and goats, tbh I think when she gets home and goes through her pictures she deletes most of them.
I've lived semi-rurally and rurally all my life (I am over 50). My best friend is from a farming family who raise beef cattle and I visited her family farm often. I live surrounded by farmland. We sometimes have dairy cows (just your bog standard black and white Holstein-Friesians) in the field next to our land, and I've taken many photos of them. They are lovely animals and I don't consider it odd at all.



popeyewhite

20,024 posts

121 months

Tuesday 12th March
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moorx said:
HTP99 said:
Spare tyre said:
popeyewhite said:
It is shocking. Why so little knowledge? It's not about lack of non-whites in the countryside, it's about lack of education regarding the ecosystem they live in.
Last weekend walking the dog some girls in Muslim headwear were taking pictures of cows in a field. Normal cows.
Holy cow?
To be fair, the wife always takes pictures of sheep and goats when we are out walking, we see plenty, the countryside is nearby, we walk regularly off the beaten track, she just likes sheep and goats, tbh I think when she gets home and goes through her pictures she deletes most of them.
I've lived semi-rurally and rurally all my life (I am over 50). My best friend is from a farming family who raise beef cattle and I visited her family farm often. I live surrounded by farmland. We sometimes have dairy cows (just your bog standard black and white Holstein-Friesians) in the field next to our land, and I've taken many photos of them. They are lovely animals and I don't consider it odd at all.
They are cows. There's millions of the bovine brutes. The fact you have a weird fixation for them doesn't make any difference in the context of the discussion.

Fane

1,311 posts

201 months

Tuesday 12th March
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jdw100 said:
That story really does make a sad point.

My ex and I used to do a lot of walking hiking. When living in London we were given a book that had routes around the M25 (inside) nearly all of which were green paths.

Took us a couple or three years of occasional weekends to get it all done. Sometimes you would not even realise you were not that far away from the M25 but also how much farmed land and green space; forests, copses, meadows, rivers etc. Quite amazing.

During all that time, we met very few people and I’ll say all were white and dressed in walking gear.

Same as in Lake District, Peaks, Snowdonia etc…its a very white pastime.

I am talking 10-15 years ago so things may have changed of course.

If you are, what we are calling ‘council’ or ‘inner city’ and in a big city, how do you get the opportunity or information to get out into the countryside unless someone (school?) proactively makes it happen?
Read "London Orbital: A Walk Around the M25" by Iain Sinclair. It's more of a socio-economic history than a travel guide. Some beautifully written parts.

ApOrbital

9,970 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Fane said:
jdw100 said:
That story really does make a sad point.

My ex and I used to do a lot of walking hiking. When living in London we were given a book that had routes around the M25 (inside) nearly all of which were green paths.

Took us a couple or three years of occasional weekends to get it all done. Sometimes you would not even realise you were not that far away from the M25 but also how much farmed land and green space; forests, copses, meadows, rivers etc. Quite amazing.

During all that time, we met very few people and I’ll say all were white and dressed in walking gear.

Same as in Lake District, Peaks, Snowdonia etc…its a very white pastime.

I am talking 10-15 years ago so things may have changed of course.




If you are, what we are calling ‘council’ or ‘inner city’ and in a big city, how do you get the opportunity or information to get out into the countryside unless someone (school?) proactively makes it happen?
Read "London Orbital: A Walk Around the M25" by Iain Sinclair. It's more of a socio-economic history than a travel guide. Some beautifully written parts.
Indeed.

Spare tyre

9,649 posts

131 months

DodgyGeezer

40,604 posts

191 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Ean218 said:
It's widespread, we were out with the dog last year walking the local footpaths and we came across a group of girls gathered at a stile to enter a field. It turned out they were on a Duke of Edinburgh expedition and as none had ever seen a cow close up they were terrified of entering the field where the young heifers were having a drink from their trough. We carried on, they turned back.
To be fair...

"As the UK's deadliest animal, cows attack between three and four thousand people every year. An expert has revealed this figure may continue to rise. Between 2018 and 2022, more than 30 people were killed by cows, according to the UK Government's Health and Safety Executive (HSE).17 Sept 2023"

Spare tyre

9,649 posts

131 months

Tuesday 12th March
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DodgyGeezer said:
Ean218 said:
It's widespread, we were out with the dog last year walking the local footpaths and we came across a group of girls gathered at a stile to enter a field. It turned out they were on a Duke of Edinburgh expedition and as none had ever seen a cow close up they were terrified of entering the field where the young heifers were having a drink from their trough. We carried on, they turned back.
To be fair...

"As the UK's deadliest animal, cows attack between three and four thousand people every year. An expert has revealed this figure may continue to rise. Between 2018 and 2022, more than 30 people were killed by cows, according to the UK Government's Health and Safety Executive (HSE).17 Sept 2023"
Some of my family were dairy farmers, how me and my cousins are still alive is something of a miracle

Spare tyre

9,649 posts

131 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Young Anthony has some views on “wimmins day”

https://youtu.be/vFJC_jAPDEU?si=6sJ3CtZHNmR8yyab

the-norseman

12,507 posts

172 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Spare tyre said:
Young Anthony has some views on “wimmins day”

https://youtu.be/vFJC_jAPDEU?si=6sJ3CtZHNmR8yyab
Hopefully no "Wimmin" go near him and he doesn't reproduce.

popeyewhite

20,024 posts

121 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Spare tyre said:
DodgyGeezer said:
Ean218 said:
It's widespread, we were out with the dog last year walking the local footpaths and we came across a group of girls gathered at a stile to enter a field. It turned out they were on a Duke of Edinburgh expedition and as none had ever seen a cow close up they were terrified of entering the field where the young heifers were having a drink from their trough. We carried on, they turned back.
To be fair...

"As the UK's deadliest animal, cows attack between three and four thousand people every year. An expert has revealed this figure may continue to rise. Between 2018 and 2022, more than 30 people were killed by cows, according to the UK Government's Health and Safety Executive (HSE).17 Sept 2023"
Some of my family were dairy farmers, how me and my cousins are still alive is something of a miracle
I've been charged a number of times, never by a bull though, always cows. Pretty easy to tell if they're going to be aggressive though. I think most attacks occur to townies when the silly buggers take their pooches into a field where there's cows and their offspring.

jdw100

4,136 posts

165 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Fane said:
Read "London Orbital: A Walk Around the M25" by Iain Sinclair. It's more of a socio-economic history than a travel guide. Some beautifully written parts.
It’s a very good read.