Secret tunnels under Manchester
Discussion
Dibble said:
Just read the threadthat sjn linked.
What a bunch of Twunts the 28dl crowd seem to be.
"It's my ball, and you can't play with it..."
I find all these tunnels, shelters and the like fascinating, but I'm glad I'm not involved with these strokers. They're very "special"...
What do you expect from a bunch of muppets who appear to spend every waking moment of their social life crawling around abandoned, empty, derelict buildings and take pleasure in being knee deep in shit in sewers? I bet psychological analysis on these twunts would be astounding. What a bunch of Twunts the 28dl crowd seem to be.
"It's my ball, and you can't play with it..."
I find all these tunnels, shelters and the like fascinating, but I'm glad I'm not involved with these strokers. They're very "special"...
God what a sad bunch of inward people they are.
Shame really as I find it fascinating as well, but can't be arsed to contribute to them now having seen what dickheads they can be.
There's some good things around here, like an underground 100+ year old reservoir we found as kids, that I can almost guarantee nobody has been to since.
And just down the road some fantastic sea defence tunnels that are pretty big, again these haven't been written about on 28DL.
There's norfolk in chance that i'm going on there now and showing the photos and describing these places to them.
Twunts
Shame really as I find it fascinating as well, but can't be arsed to contribute to them now having seen what dickheads they can be.
There's some good things around here, like an underground 100+ year old reservoir we found as kids, that I can almost guarantee nobody has been to since.
And just down the road some fantastic sea defence tunnels that are pretty big, again these haven't been written about on 28DL.
There's norfolk in chance that i'm going on there now and showing the photos and describing these places to them.
Twunts
Did you not see the pictures they had on there of the disused nuclear munitions bunker! 
I think you might have to be slightly psycho for that. Nevertheless it's interesting. More interesting than that is the evidence of a rift developing between the users of two separate web fora. Now that's saddening.
I guess for sure that no one individual is representative of a whole website, but as far as 28DL is concerned, they do seem to be very short with people asking reasonable questions. You would have thought that a simple "We're not interested in that" would have sufficed.
I did quite an extensive pass on that site a few nights back, and it really is absolutely fascinating. I think POD is right it would make excellent telly.
At the end of the day, it's for them to decide how to run their site, but it does give off a "look but don't touch" kind of sentiment, in respect of the people on that site.
I wonder if they feel that maintaining a clique will allow them to be at the centre when it goes all media focussed. Personally I'd have thought it's more like surfing. Ride the wave but if you push someone off, you'll fall off yourself.
The thing that says it for me is the outright positivity that started this thread, here by people from here, and the negative response that was fielded by these people. It certainly taints the way I view those people from 28DL, but I must remember not to assume they are all like that.
I'm actually quite interested in industrial heritage (steamy pistons) and I think a particular void in their website is interpretation, appreciation and discussion, the subject thereof.
It's more "Ooooo cewl it's a tunnel!", and less, "How was it built", "Who built it", ad infinitum.
That specifically is sad, and it's not something that is lacking here. They do make a good representation of the case that many of these things are largely off limits. Then again, I'd say that the ones worth seeing, really aren't off limits.
Overall my view must simply be that whilst they are exploring, SJN is quite correct when he says most is relatively low value, although interesting in perhaps a voyeristic way.
To draw an analogy from an industrial heritage perspective, and translate it into carspeak, their website is about Mk1 Fiestas, and not Bugattis. Nothing wrong with it, but a big shame to repel like minded people with a even a small ammount of potential to further their cause.
They ought to get a hobby, and try researching, maybe building realistic scale models of the stuff that they are looking at. It might give them more of an appreciation of what they see.
Most significantly it might take their minds off the question of what to do with their trophies, making their site a nicer place to be.
I think you might have to be slightly psycho for that. Nevertheless it's interesting. More interesting than that is the evidence of a rift developing between the users of two separate web fora. Now that's saddening.
I guess for sure that no one individual is representative of a whole website, but as far as 28DL is concerned, they do seem to be very short with people asking reasonable questions. You would have thought that a simple "We're not interested in that" would have sufficed.
I did quite an extensive pass on that site a few nights back, and it really is absolutely fascinating. I think POD is right it would make excellent telly.
At the end of the day, it's for them to decide how to run their site, but it does give off a "look but don't touch" kind of sentiment, in respect of the people on that site.
I wonder if they feel that maintaining a clique will allow them to be at the centre when it goes all media focussed. Personally I'd have thought it's more like surfing. Ride the wave but if you push someone off, you'll fall off yourself.
The thing that says it for me is the outright positivity that started this thread, here by people from here, and the negative response that was fielded by these people. It certainly taints the way I view those people from 28DL, but I must remember not to assume they are all like that.
I'm actually quite interested in industrial heritage (steamy pistons) and I think a particular void in their website is interpretation, appreciation and discussion, the subject thereof.
It's more "Ooooo cewl it's a tunnel!", and less, "How was it built", "Who built it", ad infinitum.
That specifically is sad, and it's not something that is lacking here. They do make a good representation of the case that many of these things are largely off limits. Then again, I'd say that the ones worth seeing, really aren't off limits.
Overall my view must simply be that whilst they are exploring, SJN is quite correct when he says most is relatively low value, although interesting in perhaps a voyeristic way.
To draw an analogy from an industrial heritage perspective, and translate it into carspeak, their website is about Mk1 Fiestas, and not Bugattis. Nothing wrong with it, but a big shame to repel like minded people with a even a small ammount of potential to further their cause.
They ought to get a hobby, and try researching, maybe building realistic scale models of the stuff that they are looking at. It might give them more of an appreciation of what they see.
Most significantly it might take their minds off the question of what to do with their trophies, making their site a nicer place to be.
Edited by dilbert on Monday 16th July 03:06
Dilbert , you are right in many ways but you can't help these people. I posted some of those old library photos and a few users were very happy with them. Then all of a sudden, one user said I was trying to "harm" the tunnels following by several others bluntly telling me f@ck off/p1ss off. This was followed by the moderator saying "I" was being argumentative. Then I got banned. POD got the same treatment, later they refered to him as a "media type" which can't be trusted. Its also strange that they don't block the goggle robots if they are so bothered about people knowing about these places. Maybe the site owners have some other motive?
sjn2004 said:
Dilbert , you are right in many ways but you can't help these people. I posted some of those old library photos and a few users were very happy with them. Then all of a sudden, one user said I was trying to "harm" the tunnels following by several others bluntly telling me f@ck off/p1ss off. This was followed by the moderator saying "I" was being argumentative. Then I got banned. POD got the same treatment, later they refered to him as a "media type" which can't be trusted. Its also strange that they don't block the goggle robots if they are so bothered about people knowing about these places. Maybe the site owners have some other motive?
thats a very strange site, nice pictures but the way it went from you and some of the original explorers discussing the library pictures to the small minded swearing from that moron of a moderator was dissapointing. minimoog said:
Podie said:
minimoog said:
Looks like all the bad stuff against SJN has been removed. Good for them. I wonder if his ban has...?
Some people seem to be asking him questions...!!! 
Podie said:
I know, I've read the thread.
'K soz This has long been a fave 28DL explore. Mindblowing stuff:
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php...
I was wondering this over the weekend and was at the printworks on saturday so had a little wander over to the cathederal while I was there.
Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
dunkie said:
I was wondering this over the weekend and was at the printworks on saturday so had a little wander over to the cathederal while I was there.
Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
So you did what, stood outside the fence and speculated rather than checking to see whether there was access to said tunnel network?Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
Why dont you get your arse in there and check for yourself?
Rooftopper said:
dunkie said:
I was wondering this over the weekend and was at the printworks on saturday so had a little wander over to the cathederal while I was there.
Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
So you did what, stood outside the fence and speculated rather than checking to see whether there was access to said tunnel network?Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
Why dont you get your arse in there and check for yourself?
What would make all that a lot cooler still is being a damn sight less precious about what you do, and in some cases a lot less aggressive when someone outside your immediate clique shows a genuine interest in it.
There seems to be a strong current of opionion on 28DL that no matter how much the subject interests you, if you don't get out there and get your hands dirty you are a nobody and worthy only of contempt. This would be analagous to the folks around here sneering at you if you didn't own a supercar or race every weekend. Generally it tends to be school children who favour this kind of you're-not-in-my-gang one-upmanship.
Edited by minimoog on Monday 16th July 11:22
minimoog said:
Rooftopper said:
dunkie said:
I was wondering this over the weekend and was at the printworks on saturday so had a little wander over to the cathederal while I was there.
Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
So you did what, stood outside the fence and speculated rather than checking to see whether there was access to said tunnel network?Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
Why dont you get your arse in there and check for yourself?
What would make all that a lot cooler still is being a damn sight less precious about what you do, and in some cases a lot less aggressive when someone outside your immediate clique shows a genuine interest in it.
How would you like it if you were arranging a car meet and a load of totally unconnected people appeared and tried to take over the whole affair?
Rooftopper said:
dunkie said:
I was wondering this over the weekend and was at the printworks on saturday so had a little wander over to the cathederal while I was there.
Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
So you did what, stood outside the fence and speculated rather than checking to see whether there was access to said tunnel network?Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
Why dont you get your arse in there and check for yourself?
strict pecking order for abusing newbies. veterans first.
Rooftopper said:
minimoog said:
Rooftopper said:
dunkie said:
I was wondering this over the weekend and was at the printworks on saturday so had a little wander over to the cathederal while I was there.
Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
So you did what, stood outside the fence and speculated rather than checking to see whether there was access to said tunnel network?Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
Why dont you get your arse in there and check for yourself?
What would make all that a lot cooler still is being a damn sight less precious about what you do, and in some cases a lot less aggressive when someone outside your immediate clique shows a genuine interest in it.
How would you like it if you were arranging a car meet and a load of totally unconnected people appeared and tried to take over the whole affair?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but these sites are not yours. You are trespassing same as we would be if we turned up at the same time as you. Just because you've put a bit more time into researching where to trespass doesn't mean you have any more right to the location than anybody else. Your attempts at "driving off" and leaving the inquisitive behind will therefore be quite futile.
Edited by Olf on Monday 16th July 11:33
tinman0 said:
Rooftopper said:
dunkie said:
I was wondering this over the weekend and was at the printworks on saturday so had a little wander over to the cathederal while I was there.
Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
So you did what, stood outside the fence and speculated rather than checking to see whether there was access to said tunnel network?Next door to the Cathederal is an old building which is undergoing some work and I think this is where the 28dl guys got in from as there is no obvious security and the fencing is quite rickety.
Its a shame that they want to act like its all "Indian Jones" but its probably just the case of squeezing through a fence and climbing down into this buildings basement and accessing the caverns that way as I understand all the older buildings in that area had access to the caverns.
Tried to get the photos my engineer friend took after the bomb but he is currently away.
Why dont you get your arse in there and check for yourself?
strict pecking order for abusing newbies. veterans first.
Rooftopper said:
Correct me if im wrong but this is a car forum based around the love of motorsports, not the love of urban exploring or looking in underground tunnels, so why attach yourselves to 28 days later like leeches taking the sites we've taken care to find and passing them on to every tom dick and harry and contributing very little yourselves (in some cases this is wrong as i know there are a few who have contributed a fair bit of research)
How would you like it if you were arranging a car meet and a load of totally unconnected people appeared and tried to take over the whole affair?
As far as I can see, no one is trying to take over anything. People are just showing an interest.How would you like it if you were arranging a car meet and a load of totally unconnected people appeared and tried to take over the whole affair?
As for "passing them on to every tom dick and harry", it is published on a website! If you don't want anyone to know, then why do that? I'm afraid that knowledge is something that can't be unlearnt so if you release something, expect others to make use of it.
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