So these management consultancies...
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dilbert said:
Olf said:
My best mate starting working for one of the big ones about 18 months ago. I'm sure he's getting along fine. We haven't spoken since.
Well nearly not. He spends every working week up north somewhere. Says he finishes work at nine most nights. The won't pay for his overnight accommodation on the Sunday night or the Friday night so he has to drive up early Monday morning and come back Friday night in his own time. From what he's saying I guess he's doing a 70 hour week almost every week.
Only I'm not sure to believe it. I mean I'd tell them to get fked if it were me. 70 hour weeks, no personal time in a crappy hotel miles from friends and family. His boss is apparently an arse so no fun there either.
Is this for real. Do people really do this? Do these companies really demand this over a long term or is he either:
a/ a sop?
b/ a liar?
Neither.Well nearly not. He spends every working week up north somewhere. Says he finishes work at nine most nights. The won't pay for his overnight accommodation on the Sunday night or the Friday night so he has to drive up early Monday morning and come back Friday night in his own time. From what he's saying I guess he's doing a 70 hour week almost every week.
Only I'm not sure to believe it. I mean I'd tell them to get fked if it were me. 70 hour weeks, no personal time in a crappy hotel miles from friends and family. His boss is apparently an arse so no fun there either.
Is this for real. Do people really do this? Do these companies really demand this over a long term or is he either:
a/ a sop?
b/ a liar?
I worked for a company that did this to me, when they ran out of proper work. So, I got another job.... Which ended unexpectedly about six months later, a month after 9/11. Unemployed for eight months, then central government, where I woke up to reality and left. Couple of jobs where I just about broke even, although I'm pretty sure I wouldn't now, because of fuel prices.
Been pants ever since (9/11).
Brace, brace, brace. That's what I say anyhow.
I figure I'm ready for it, it's been worse for me over the last eight years, than I expect it's ever going to be for most people.
gasket69 said:
Olf said:
My best mate starting working for one of the big ones about 18 months ago. I'm sure he's getting along fine. We haven't spoken since.
Well nearly not. He spends every working week up north somewhere. Says he finishes work at nine most nights. The won't pay for his overnight accommodation on the Sunday night or the Friday night so he has to drive up early Monday morning and come back Friday night in his own time. From what he's saying I guess he's doing a 70 hour week almost every week.
Only I'm not sure to believe it. I mean I'd tell them to get fked if it were me. 70 hour weeks, no personal time in a crappy hotel miles from friends and family. His boss is apparently an arse so no fun there either.
Is this for real. Do people really do this? Do these companies really demand this over a long term or is he either:
a/ a sop?
b/ a liar?
Hello Everybody,Well nearly not. He spends every working week up north somewhere. Says he finishes work at nine most nights. The won't pay for his overnight accommodation on the Sunday night or the Friday night so he has to drive up early Monday morning and come back Friday night in his own time. From what he's saying I guess he's doing a 70 hour week almost every week.
Only I'm not sure to believe it. I mean I'd tell them to get fked if it were me. 70 hour weeks, no personal time in a crappy hotel miles from friends and family. His boss is apparently an arse so no fun there either.
Is this for real. Do people really do this? Do these companies really demand this over a long term or is he either:
a/ a sop?
b/ a liar?
This is probably straight out of Olf's worst nightmares but it's actually Olf's "mate" (quite possibly ex-mate,) here. Small world; huh?
I've wondered for the last few months how to respond to this thread (in between asking Olf when he's free to meet up and getting no reply).
As the most boss eyed, funny and politically incorrect person I know, Olf is without question my best mate but it's fair to say that we've been "distant" for a while now, though thankfully that doesn't mean 'distant' in the sense of either of us browsing singlesandswingers.com for some sideways action or either of us looking for some "alternative continental companionship" in the bar at the Paris Ritz.
One thing that Olf nearly got right is that I do indeed spend every week working up north somewhere and have done so for a year now.
Like many unfortunate sods, I leave home on Sunday night or very early Monday morning (at 5:00 a.m.) for a bracing 220 mile drive - I work away all week and then return home very late on Friday night. Most of the working week is an exciting but fairly draining blur involving very long hours with the result that I like to plan the limited personal time that I do have at home to make sure I cram in as much time with my mates as I can - so for the benefit of Olf, no; I'm not a liar or a 'sop.'
Unfortunately, the fact I work away is not really the reason that Olf hasn't seen me in 18 months as my other friends who I continue to see regularly can testify.
What's actually happening is that because I want to see Olf and need to plan things in advance due to not being around much, I repeatedly ask Olf for advance dates when he's likely to be free at a weekends. When Olf can't give me any dates at all when he might be free I tend to make other arrangements to avoid the disappointment of driving 220 miles home and then having to sit round with nowt else to do.
As Olf has an admittedly fab baby Olf, when we do get together I normally go over to his. Despite driving 500 - 1000 miles a week for work I'm very happy to drive over to his to save the Olf family on the hassle factor. On average, for every 10-20 times I've been to Olf's in recent years he's been to mine once - which is a shame as I'd very much like the opportunity to reciprocate Mr & Mrs Olf's excellent hospitality and fine choice of beer / whisky / cake / bread and tea - my commitment to my and Olf's non gay relationship is absolute even if that means doing yet more driving at the weekend. Mr & Mrs Olf actually met through me so it's fair to say they are both two of my favourite people - I'm therefore quite sad that it's come to reading Olf slating me on here.
To get to the point, what normally happens is that as Olf is rubbish at diaries when I do actually manage to see him and ask when he's next free he just tells me to ask Mrs Olf i.e. not at all like -
"yes, I'd love to see you mate, let me check our diary, we're really busy but I'd like to do something so let me get back to you shortly with some dates, yours, Olf xx"
but instead,
"you'll have to ask Mrs Olf, I'm off to play role player games with people I've never even met."
If I was being cynical, it feels like a case of:
"I'm not going to say I actually want to meet up or give you a date. If you want to see me, despite me being home by 5 and having plenty of free time to sort this out and you being a lot busier and emailing, texting and calling, you'll still have to ask Mrs Olf as I'm far too busy playing role playing games with geeks to ask her myself or find a date when we can get together to do something daft."
Since the last time I asked Olf (again) when he was next free to meet, he's had time to start or reply to 76 threads on here, but apparently hasn't had time to check his diary. I'm not an expert on timetocheckdiaries but it's hard to read that any other way than "can't be bothered".
The thing that really annoys me about all this is that the "18 months" has little to do with me being away and a lot to do with a change in Olf's family circumstances. Don't get me wrong - many of my friends now have little olf's and know that they can be a handful - but I still see them, and fairly frequently. In fact since I last saw Olf, I've seen some other friends - let's call them "The Sprockets" and their baby "sprocket" twice. I don't however see or these days even talk to Olf very much and in the same vain as asking someone out on a date and getting knocked back a few times I've found myself reluctantly giving up asking.
Maybe if Olf could find time to call me we could talk this through. As it stands, I've more chance of running into him in COD3 online rather than actually seeing or speaking to him.
At this rate, our relationship would appear to be heading towards me throwing a jug of water over his 'brief' as we try to resolve our 'relationship problems' through formal means. I like to think my jug is bigger and deeper than Olf's, so maybe he'll call me so we can kiss and make up and avoid having to feather the nests of already overpaid lawyers.
Dude, there's something wrong here, both of you are now arguing on an internet forum, but then i guess if you can't get hold of him then there's not a lot you can do
littlegreenfairy said:
Colonial said:
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Just read it. I'm going to watching this train wreck unfold
Doesn't it just make you feel so much better about the crap going on in your own life? I know it does for me!Just read it. I'm going to watching this train wreck unfold
it does indeed. Its things like this that makes the internet worth the hassle
gasket69 said:
Olf said:
My best mate starting working for one of the big ones about 18 months ago. I'm sure he's getting along fine. We haven't spoken since.
Well nearly not. He spends every working week up north somewhere. Says he finishes work at nine most nights. The won't pay for his overnight accommodation on the Sunday night or the Friday night so he has to drive up early Monday morning and come back Friday night in his own time. From what he's saying I guess he's doing a 70 hour week almost every week.
Only I'm not sure to believe it. I mean I'd tell them to get fked if it were me. 70 hour weeks, no personal time in a crappy hotel miles from friends and family. His boss is apparently an arse so no fun there either.
Is this for real. Do people really do this? Do these companies really demand this over a long term or is he either:
a/ a sop?
b/ a liar?
Hello Everybody,Well nearly not. He spends every working week up north somewhere. Says he finishes work at nine most nights. The won't pay for his overnight accommodation on the Sunday night or the Friday night so he has to drive up early Monday morning and come back Friday night in his own time. From what he's saying I guess he's doing a 70 hour week almost every week.
Only I'm not sure to believe it. I mean I'd tell them to get fked if it were me. 70 hour weeks, no personal time in a crappy hotel miles from friends and family. His boss is apparently an arse so no fun there either.
Is this for real. Do people really do this? Do these companies really demand this over a long term or is he either:
a/ a sop?
b/ a liar?
This is probably straight out of Olf's worst nightmares but it's actually Olf's "mate" (quite possibly ex-mate,) here. Small world; huh?
I've wondered for the last few months how to respond to this thread (in between asking Olf when he's free to meet up and getting no reply).
As the most boss eyed, funny and politically incorrect person I know, Olf is without question my best mate but it's fair to say that we've been "distant" for a while now, though thankfully that doesn't mean 'distant' in the sense of either of us browsing singlesandswingers.com for some sideways action or either of us looking for some "alternative continental companionship" in the bar at the Paris Ritz.
One thing that Olf nearly got right is that I do indeed spend every week working up north somewhere and have done so for a year now.
Like many unfortunate sods, I leave home on Sunday night or very early Monday morning (at 5:00 a.m.) for a bracing 220 mile drive - I work away all week and then return home very late on Friday night. Most of the working week is an exciting but fairly draining blur involving very long hours with the result that I like to plan the limited personal time that I do have at home to make sure I cram in as much time with my mates as I can - so for the benefit of Olf, no; I'm not a liar or a 'sop.'
Unfortunately, the fact I work away is not really the reason that Olf hasn't seen me in 18 months as my other friends who I continue to see regularly can testify.
What's actually happening is that because I want to see Olf and need to plan things in advance due to not being around much, I repeatedly ask Olf for advance dates when he's likely to be free at a weekends. When Olf can't give me any dates at all when he might be free I tend to make other arrangements to avoid the disappointment of driving 220 miles home and then having to sit round with nowt else to do.
As Olf has an admittedly fab baby Olf, when we do get together I normally go over to his. Despite driving 500 - 1000 miles a week for work I'm very happy to drive over to his to save the Olf family on the hassle factor. On average, for every 10-20 times I've been to Olf's in recent years he's been to mine once - which is a shame as I'd very much like the opportunity to reciprocate Mr & Mrs Olf's excellent hospitality and fine choice of beer / whisky / cake / bread and tea - my commitment to my and Olf's non gay relationship is absolute even if that means doing yet more driving at the weekend. Mr & Mrs Olf actually met through me so it's fair to say they are both two of my favourite people - I'm therefore quite sad that it's come to reading Olf slating me on here.
To get to the point, what normally happens is that as Olf is rubbish at diaries when I do actually manage to see him and ask when he's next free he just tells me to ask Mrs Olf i.e. not at all like -
"yes, I'd love to see you mate, let me check our diary, we're really busy but I'd like to do something so let me get back to you shortly with some dates, yours, Olf xx"
but instead,
"you'll have to ask Mrs Olf, I'm off to play role player games with people I've never even met."
If I was being cynical, it feels like a case of:
"I'm not going to say I actually want to meet up or give you a date. If you want to see me, despite me being home by 5 and having plenty of free time to sort this out and you being a lot busier and emailing, texting and calling, you'll still have to ask Mrs Olf as I'm far too busy playing role playing games with geeks to ask her myself or find a date when we can get together to do something daft."
Since the last time I asked Olf (again) when he was next free to meet, he's had time to start or reply to 76 threads on here, but apparently hasn't had time to check his diary. I'm not an expert on timetocheckdiaries but it's hard to read that any other way than "can't be bothered".
The thing that really annoys me about all this is that the "18 months" has little to do with me being away and a lot to do with a change in Olf's family circumstances. Don't get me wrong - many of my friends now have little olf's and know that they can be a handful - but I still see them, and fairly frequently. In fact since I last saw Olf, I've seen some other friends - let's call them "The Sprockets" and their baby "sprocket" twice. I don't however see or these days even talk to Olf very much and in the same vain as asking someone out on a date and getting knocked back a few times I've found myself reluctantly giving up asking.
Maybe if Olf could find time to call me we could talk this through. As it stands, I've more chance of running into him in COD3 online rather than actually seeing or speaking to him.
At this rate, our relationship would appear to be heading towards me throwing a jug of water over his 'brief' as we try to resolve our 'relationship problems' through formal means. I like to think my jug is bigger and deeper than Olf's, so maybe he'll call me so we can kiss and make up and avoid having to feather the nests of already overpaid lawyers.
I call bull...
Unfortunately it's not bull. It seems my best mate is an Internet stalker but I knew that already.
I'm not going to have this out over the Internet but...
1. I told you if you continued to do all your communications through that unspeakable site I wouldn't answer. Whats wrong with a simple email?
2. You lie about me visiting you only once. It's at least twice.
3. I quote from a message you sent me earlier this year over that unspeakable site - it was Jan 7th and we hadn't met since before xmas "Olf - Haven't seen you for ages but unfortunately I'm stuck on the northern run again i.e. late Fridays so Fridays are no good. Have eEVERY saturday until march booked up which only leaves sundays. ONLY sunday I can do is the 3rd feb. Can you come to mine?".
Got to be honest mate, when I read on Jan 7th that you only have one afternoon in the next 3 months in which to see me I kind of think I can't be too high on the priority list.
4. I'm ignoring everyone else so don't feel special. It's just how it is at the moment.
5. Lets continue this eleswhere. It's only fair I get to relay my side of the story hence this reply.
6. Stop stalking me you freakshow.
7. You're a sop.
I'm not going to have this out over the Internet but...
1. I told you if you continued to do all your communications through that unspeakable site I wouldn't answer. Whats wrong with a simple email?
2. You lie about me visiting you only once. It's at least twice.
3. I quote from a message you sent me earlier this year over that unspeakable site - it was Jan 7th and we hadn't met since before xmas "Olf - Haven't seen you for ages but unfortunately I'm stuck on the northern run again i.e. late Fridays so Fridays are no good. Have eEVERY saturday until march booked up which only leaves sundays. ONLY sunday I can do is the 3rd feb. Can you come to mine?".
Got to be honest mate, when I read on Jan 7th that you only have one afternoon in the next 3 months in which to see me I kind of think I can't be too high on the priority list.
4. I'm ignoring everyone else so don't feel special. It's just how it is at the moment.
5. Lets continue this eleswhere. It's only fair I get to relay my side of the story hence this reply.
6. Stop stalking me you freakshow.
7. You're a sop.
70 hours a week ............ pah you need to have your own management consultancy business !!! :-)
Had mine for 8 years and usually work 70 + but the last two years working for a west cost US business from the UK try 85 hours plus.
Would I do it for someone else ? yes in the begining but certainly not now !!
Whilst to some it may seem mad it depends what you are comfortable with and what your priorities are mine were Ferrari and no mortgage hence the motivation to carry on.
Having said that friendships and relationships do suffer but for me there is an end in sight thank god !!!
Had mine for 8 years and usually work 70 + but the last two years working for a west cost US business from the UK try 85 hours plus.
Would I do it for someone else ? yes in the begining but certainly not now !!
Whilst to some it may seem mad it depends what you are comfortable with and what your priorities are mine were Ferrari and no mortgage hence the motivation to carry on.
Having said that friendships and relationships do suffer but for me there is an end in sight thank god !!!
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