I've been asked to join the Freemasons
Discussion
Serendipity72 said:
Blair freemason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8deQ2gJ56ds
Of course he is. Once you realise this you realise why he is teflon Tony and why he was such big mates with Bush (another 33 level mason).
Let me guess, you've read a Dan Brown book and now know everything about Freemasonry? All your doing is making yourself look silly.Of course he is. Once you realise this you realise why he is teflon Tony and why he was such big mates with Bush (another 33 level mason).
GTO-3R said:
Let me guess, you've read a Dan Brown book and now know everything about Freemasonry? All your doing is making yourself look silly.
No. Real lifetime experience and other people telling me theirs. I have read no book on the subject.It is the standard MO of freemasons to pour derision on the critic when they are criticised. We see that here.
And the pawns in the first levels of freemasonry have no idea what happens in the invitation only grades.
Freemasonry creates a straightforwards conflict of interest for many members. Do they follow their oaths and look after fellow members above all or do they act as they morally should?
Serendipity72 said:
No. Real lifetime experience and other people telling me theirs. I have read no book on the subject.
It is the standard MO of freemasons to pour derision on the critic when they are criticised. We see that here.
And the pawns in the first levels of freemasonry have no idea what happens in the invitation only grades.
Freemasonry creates a straightforwards conflict of interest for many members. Do they follow their oaths and look after fellow members above all or do they act as they morally should?
OK, if you say so. But as a member of several 'invitation only' grades as you call them (which is in itself borrocks), you're still talking rubbish. It is the standard MO of freemasons to pour derision on the critic when they are criticised. We see that here.
And the pawns in the first levels of freemasonry have no idea what happens in the invitation only grades.
Freemasonry creates a straightforwards conflict of interest for many members. Do they follow their oaths and look after fellow members above all or do they act as they morally should?
But of course - you know exactly what our obligations contain don't you?
Serendipity72 said:
Golaboots said:
Haven't read all 50 pages but just wondering if anyone on here has got high enough to find out that they actually worship the devil, or if they are in still at the 'being duped' stage?
I think that the bottom 3 levels of freemasons are just pawns who do what the cult demands, allowing the higher levels to behave in any way that they want. The conflicts of interest that freemasonry creates are huge, I have heard and experienced many incidents where the rule of law was severely compromised. The higher, invitation only, levels where people like Tony Blair reside are a different matter entirely.I have found a really good source of articles about religion and freemasonry which may answer your question: http://saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/freemasonry
Here is an article about their god: http://saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/freemasonry...
And what Christianity thinks of the cult.
- Catholics:
Freemasons have been excommunicated from the Catholic Church by 8 Popes: In 1738 by Clement XII "In Eminenti", the first of 20 bulls against Freemasonry. Pius IX issued 6 bulls attacking Masonry. Leo XIII, in 1884, in "Humanum Genus", and endorsed the view that the Freemasons' "real supreme aim" is "to persecute Christianity with untamed hatred, and they will never rest until they see cast to the ground all religious institutions established by the Pope"... and the last one, John Paul II in 1983... you can not be a Catholic and a Mason!
If you want to be a Mason, you are automatically out of the Catholic Church, excommunicated!... these are the words issued by Cardinal Ratzinger, approved and ordered by John Paul II in Nov. 1983: "The Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic associations remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. Catholics who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion. Local Ecclesiastical authorities do not have the faculty to pronounce a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which may include a diminution of the above-mentioned judgment".
- Baptist leaders, have referred to it as "an ungodly brotherhood of satanic darkness"; "there is an inherent incompatibility between Masonry and the Christian faith"; "there is a great danger that the Christian Mason may find himself compromising his allegiance to Jesus" (The Baptist Union of Scotland, 1965).
- Lutherans, say "Masonry amounts to idolatry" (Missouri Synod, 1959).
- Presbyterians: "Masonry is a religious institution and as such is definitely anti-Christian (General Assembly, Rochester, 1942).
- The Church of England: "A number of very fundamental reasons to question the compatibility of Freemasonry with Christianity (General Synod, London, 1987... and several members of the committee were Masons!).
- Russian Orthodox Church: "Any Orthodox who joins Masonry losses all the right and privileges of his membership in the Church (Acker, "Strange Altars", pag.60).
- Methodists: "There is a great danger that the Christian who becomes a Freemason will find himself comprising his Christian beliefs. Methodists should not become Masons (General Assembly, London, 1985).
It is not "done" to argue the point, as GLE do that for us.
Fer said:
Saddle bum said:
PML.
It is not "done" to argue the point, as GLE do that for us.
Sorry. I must try not to feed the troll.It is not "done" to argue the point, as GLE do that for us.
I do wonder if those who have the biggest bees in their bonnets about FMry are those who have wanted to join but haven't made the steps to do so and therefore regret it (there's still time to ask!).
I should have my 3rd sometime next year, we had the installation this month - was my best night yet. I got to give the reply to the Officers toast, which was nice.
NightRunner said:
Fer said:
Saddle bum said:
PML.
It is not "done" to argue the point, as GLE do that for us.
Sorry. I must try not to feed the troll.It is not "done" to argue the point, as GLE do that for us.
I do wonder if those who have the biggest bees in their bonnets about FMry are those who have wanted to join but haven't made the steps to do so and therefore regret it (there's still time to ask!).
Serendipity72 said:
GTO-3R said:
Let me guess, you've read a Dan Brown book and now know everything about Freemasonry? All your doing is making yourself look silly.
No. Real lifetime experience and other people telling me theirs. I have read no book on the subject.It is the standard MO of freemasons to pour derision on the critic when they are criticised. We see that here.
And the pawns in the first levels of freemasonry have no idea what happens in the invitation only grades.
Freemasonry creates a straightforwards conflict of interest for many members. Do they follow their oaths and look after fellow members above all or do they act as they morally should?
Whilst I've not been to a meeting in aaaages my partner's uncle is a member of these so called 'invitation only' grades (tbh they all are as the order is invitation only, but that's by the by), he's now given it up as he's practically house bound but we've had some really good chats about it.
What you've posted is so far from the truth it's hilarious.
No point in even entering a discussion with people like that. We can produce clear evidence of what we do (royal college of surgeons anyone?!) whereas our friend there can produce nothing as nothing exists. I also find it astounding how someone who has clearly never been a Mason knows more from chatting to his mates than we do as Freemasons.
I should point out though that being banned by a bunch of churches (and also the Nazis) is generally something I would consider as a good thing!
I should point out though that being banned by a bunch of churches (and also the Nazis) is generally something I would consider as a good thing!
Mon Ami Mate said:
By the way, congrats Fer and all other advancing PH masons. I was due to be elected into the chair last Saturday but have had to stand aside for a third time after having a major op earlier in the year.
Thanks MAM. It was a most humbling experience, and one I hope you get the chance to take part in soon. (Assuming you haven't already).Get well soon, and if you are ever down Windsor way, give me a shout.
bebee said:
NightRunner said:
Fer said:
Saddle bum said:
PML.
It is not "done" to argue the point, as GLE do that for us.
Sorry. I must try not to feed the troll.It is not "done" to argue the point, as GLE do that for us.
I do wonder if those who have the biggest bees in their bonnets about FMry are those who have wanted to join but haven't made the steps to do so and therefore regret it (there's still time to ask!).
Fer said:
Mon Ami Mate said:
By the way, congrats Fer and all other advancing PH masons. I was due to be elected into the chair last Saturday but have had to stand aside for a third time after having a major op earlier in the year.
Thanks MAM. It was a most humbling experience, and one I hope you get the chance to take part in soon. (Assuming you haven't already).Get well soon, and if you are ever down Windsor way, give me a shout.
NightRunner said:
bebee said:
NightRunner said:
Fer said:
Saddle bum said:
PML.
It is not "done" to argue the point, as GLE do that for us.
Sorry. I must try not to feed the troll.It is not "done" to argue the point, as GLE do that for us.
I do wonder if those who have the biggest bees in their bonnets about FMry are those who have wanted to join but haven't made the steps to do so and therefore regret it (there's still time to ask!).
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