Do You Know Anybody That Has Killed Another Person?
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The father of my daughter's earlier best friend and the partner of a good friend of my wife has killed 3 people including his partner. He arranged for 2 hit men to stab his partner to death & dump her body in the swimming pool. He was conveniently away elsewhere with his Russian lover at the time. Some months later he shot dead 2 men on his premisis. It is known that these 2 were the hit men. He claimed they were burglars who threatened him.
He has so far never been charged with any of the murders due to connections in high places in the police force (Guardia Civil - we are in Spain).
He still lives 0.5 km from us just down the road, he has been in our house, and we his, before all this happened.
Scarey stuff, it had a major impact on out lives, particularly my daughter and my wife.
He has so far never been charged with any of the murders due to connections in high places in the police force (Guardia Civil - we are in Spain).
He still lives 0.5 km from us just down the road, he has been in our house, and we his, before all this happened.
Scarey stuff, it had a major impact on out lives, particularly my daughter and my wife.
andym1603 said:
Meet two or three nearly every year with the job I do. Obviously cannot divulge names but some you would think wouldn't say boo to a goose others you are just waiting for them to do it.
Only 2 or 3??Like I said earlier in this thread, some of the most amiable people I've met have been murderers! Some of the biggest a
holes too.Papa Hotel said:
Only 2 or 3??
Like I said earlier in this thread, some of the most amiable people I've met have been murderers! Some of the biggest aholes too.
Okay, That was a conservative guess. Probably more than that. Nearly another one today, some guy running about firing shots off about a mile from our house. Three schools on lock down and residents told to stay indoors. Know him from previous, he is getting on now. If jailed this time don't think he will be walking out.Like I said earlier in this thread, some of the most amiable people I've met have been murderers! Some of the biggest a
holes too.andym1603 said:
Okay, That was a conservative guess. Probably more than that. Nearly another one today, some guy running about firing shots off about a mile from our house. Three schools on lock down and residents told to stay indoors. Know him from previous, he is getting on now. If jailed this time don't think he will be walking out.
Ah, I seen that on the news.I'll email you.
Zwolf said:
Simps said:
Very, Very interesting topic.
The subject of murders, and more specifically the mindset of the murder is something that interests me greatly. I understand that this may sound incredibly creepy, but I have always wondered what it'd be like to kill another human being. Dealing with the emotions and the altered mental state, if indeed there even is one. I know that it is easy to say this without ever doing it for real, but right now I don't think I'd have a single problem with taking another person's life, providing that there was an entirely reasonable justification for it (namely them directly putting another person's life in danger).
That being said, I've just watched "Three Guys and a Hammer" without so much as blinking, although reading the columnist's views did make me take a step back to realize that when viewing those videos, I don't read much at all into the Victim and the pain he/she is suffering. I've more interested in the act itself, the physical effects and what thoughts the person behind the other side of the Hammer/Knife/Firearm are... Don't get me wrong, I can feel empathy for the victim, but as far as I'm concerned watching the video, the pain suffered by that person is long over, and I really struggle to get too caught up on that.
You're not alone. That accurately sums up my feelings and reactions (well, lack of them) to what most people describe as "harrowing" or "disturbing" things. The subject of murders, and more specifically the mindset of the murder is something that interests me greatly. I understand that this may sound incredibly creepy, but I have always wondered what it'd be like to kill another human being. Dealing with the emotions and the altered mental state, if indeed there even is one. I know that it is easy to say this without ever doing it for real, but right now I don't think I'd have a single problem with taking another person's life, providing that there was an entirely reasonable justification for it (namely them directly putting another person's life in danger).
That being said, I've just watched "Three Guys and a Hammer" without so much as blinking, although reading the columnist's views did make me take a step back to realize that when viewing those videos, I don't read much at all into the Victim and the pain he/she is suffering. I've more interested in the act itself, the physical effects and what thoughts the person behind the other side of the Hammer/Knife/Firearm are... Don't get me wrong, I can feel empathy for the victim, but as far as I'm concerned watching the video, the pain suffered by that person is long over, and I really struggle to get too caught up on that.
Magog said:
I'm not a docter, but my internet diagnosis is a mild case of 'the sociopath'.
There's possibly an element of that in the mix, I know I'm not neurotypical and nor is one parent and both half siblings who share that parent. Fascinating thread OP and thanks to all who have contributed.
I'm an extremely logical person who finds emotions a waste of time and effort. I rarely get upset by people dying or having to attend funerals etc.
In the same vain I can easily watch videos of people being killed without it bothering me. I must stress though that I don't go looking for them as I don't really have a morbid desire to see that kind of thing, but when I do see it, I just think 'meh'.
Bizarre
Just over 24 years ago a friend from work told us that her landlady had been around the previous night and announced that she had killed her husband by stabbing him to death. We were all very skeptical and didn't believe that this could happen.
When said friend was moving out of her rented house a number of us helped her pack and load her car, the landlady was there. She was NOT a pleasant person, her interactions with people had an edge of nastiness. But we were concentrating on packing, so it didn't really mean that much.
Fast forward from the late eighties to the mid nineties and Midlands Today was on. One of the stories was about a poor battered woman who had killed her husband after years of abuse and that there was a campaign to have her released. Lots of do-gooders who had probably never met her were speaking to the reporter and advocating the killer's release, it was only at that point that I realized that I had met Sara Thornton.
She did get released, she then got retried and the public got to see the woman I had met.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Thornton_case
When said friend was moving out of her rented house a number of us helped her pack and load her car, the landlady was there. She was NOT a pleasant person, her interactions with people had an edge of nastiness. But we were concentrating on packing, so it didn't really mean that much.
Fast forward from the late eighties to the mid nineties and Midlands Today was on. One of the stories was about a poor battered woman who had killed her husband after years of abuse and that there was a campaign to have her released. Lots of do-gooders who had probably never met her were speaking to the reporter and advocating the killer's release, it was only at that point that I realized that I had met Sara Thornton.
She did get released, she then got retried and the public got to see the woman I had met.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Thornton_case
Wife was at school with someone who murdered a tramp. Frightening for her as she and her BF at the time had been in an argument with him in a club a few weeks before.
Weird for me because as near as we can tell, I'd walked through what would become the crime scene about 10-20 minutes before it happened.
http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/625412.two...
Weird for me because as near as we can tell, I'd walked through what would become the crime scene about 10-20 minutes before it happened.
http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/625412.two...
I trained this bloke in part of his professional vocation
Oracle DBAing not murder
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/arthur-freeman-g...
Met the wife and the child socially..
Oracle DBAing not murder
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/arthur-freeman-g...
Met the wife and the child socially..
My uncle accidentally killed someone when I was a lot younger and did time for it.
He was hammered one night and in the back of a mates car, waving his arms at people and hanging out of the window doing general loutish stuff. He managed to clip a cyclist on the back of the head on an unlit road. Said cyclist had no helmet on and cracked head on the kerb and you can probably guess the rest.
Only found out recently why I never saw him until I was about 7 - 8 years old.
He's a really decent guy as well, i'm sure it's on his mind a lot.
He was hammered one night and in the back of a mates car, waving his arms at people and hanging out of the window doing general loutish stuff. He managed to clip a cyclist on the back of the head on an unlit road. Said cyclist had no helmet on and cracked head on the kerb and you can probably guess the rest.
Only found out recently why I never saw him until I was about 7 - 8 years old.
He's a really decent guy as well, i'm sure it's on his mind a lot.
I know a bloke that stabbed someone back in the early 80's when football hooliganism seemed to be all the rage.
And a mate of mine was driving past a pub late one evening on an unlit road when he hit and killed an old boy on a bicycle who had no lights and wobbled in front of his car after having had a few too many beers.
My mate was found innocent but it still haunts him.
And a mate of mine was driving past a pub late one evening on an unlit road when he hit and killed an old boy on a bicycle who had no lights and wobbled in front of his car after having had a few too many beers.
My mate was found innocent but it still haunts him.
badgers_back said:
I trained this bloke in part of his professional vocation
Oracle DBAing not murder
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/arthur-freeman-g...
Met the wife and the child socially..
He deserves some punishment just for that haircutOracle DBAing not murder
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/arthur-freeman-g...
Met the wife and the child socially..
I went to college with this chap for two years: Michael Clarke
Seemed like a very quiet and friendly guy but apparently he liked violence in many forms.
Seemed like a very quiet and friendly guy but apparently he liked violence in many forms.
Papa Hotel said:
andym1603 said:
Okay, That was a conservative guess. Probably more than that. Nearly another one today, some guy running about firing shots off about a mile from our house. Three schools on lock down and residents told to stay indoors. Know him from previous, he is getting on now. If jailed this time don't think he will be walking out.
Ah, I seen that on the news.I'll email you.
I know a person (first-hand) who has not only killed other humans, but has eaten them too.
Sounds grim, but to explain a little, this person is Chinese and was captured to became a child soldier in Pol Pot's army. They were captured quite brutally, with the soldiers violently killing the oldest male and many others in each family in front of the wives and kids before taking them away. His older brother was killed and his brother's one-year-old son was grabbed by the ankles and smashed head first against a wall repeatedly until dead. So quite nasty - and there is a lot more that happened at that stage that you really would not want me to go into. Needless to say, the kids did not like their captors very much, and were somewhat damaged goods going forward.
Then they were taken off, were trained and did their duty. At about age 14, as they became more "troublesome" to the regime, were all thanked and told that they were being taken to America. They were put on a truck with their mothers (who were also taken at the outset). Of course, what would really happen is that they would be take away from the remaining kids and women and killed. They had worked this out, and decided to overpower their captors, and escape to the mountains.
After a few months of living off what they could catch, and dig out of the ground, a bunch of soldiers decided to head up to the mountains and do whatever they wanted to to these folks, and finish them off. So the kids killed the soldiers, and by that stage were so hungry that the entire group ate the bodies.
the end of the story is that he was a member of the women and children that were found by friendly forces in the 70s and taken to California to continue their lives. It was a very well publicised rescue.
It is fair to say that he still has serious anger management issues today, and when he goes - boy does he go! A good friend to have, not a good enemy.
Sounds grim, but to explain a little, this person is Chinese and was captured to became a child soldier in Pol Pot's army. They were captured quite brutally, with the soldiers violently killing the oldest male and many others in each family in front of the wives and kids before taking them away. His older brother was killed and his brother's one-year-old son was grabbed by the ankles and smashed head first against a wall repeatedly until dead. So quite nasty - and there is a lot more that happened at that stage that you really would not want me to go into. Needless to say, the kids did not like their captors very much, and were somewhat damaged goods going forward.
Then they were taken off, were trained and did their duty. At about age 14, as they became more "troublesome" to the regime, were all thanked and told that they were being taken to America. They were put on a truck with their mothers (who were also taken at the outset). Of course, what would really happen is that they would be take away from the remaining kids and women and killed. They had worked this out, and decided to overpower their captors, and escape to the mountains.
After a few months of living off what they could catch, and dig out of the ground, a bunch of soldiers decided to head up to the mountains and do whatever they wanted to to these folks, and finish them off. So the kids killed the soldiers, and by that stage were so hungry that the entire group ate the bodies.
the end of the story is that he was a member of the women and children that were found by friendly forces in the 70s and taken to California to continue their lives. It was a very well publicised rescue.
It is fair to say that he still has serious anger management issues today, and when he goes - boy does he go! A good friend to have, not a good enemy.
Edited by SeeFive on Friday 23 August 11:04
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