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shirt
14,293 posts
70 months
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who's the current king of the gypsies? i'd say that'd be a good place to look for a complete mental hard nut
eta: is joe joyce, current bareknuckle champ of britain & ireland
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WorAl
10,877 posts
57 months
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Since we aren't doing "known" people I can't mention the chap who warned the Krays to not venture into the North East or face the consequences.
They didn't funnily.
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Republik
4,523 posts
59 months
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Rusty Arches said: Republik said: Welshman Rob Terry is a big lad. He's a Bodybuilder and Wrestler and one of the biggest natural (no steroids) body builder in the world iirc. I think he would be pretty unstoppable. TNA!! TNA!! TNA!! That photo makes him look smaller than he is. That's true. There are a few bodybuilding photos that are probably nsfw or would mean I'd be accused of having the ghey.
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Ganglandboss
6,672 posts
72 months
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WorAl said: Since we aren't doing "known" people I can't mention the chap who warned the Krays to not venture into the North East or face the consequences.
They didn't funnily. There's a story that the Krays were sent packing in Manchester by the Quality Street Gang when they arrived on a train at Piccadilly Station. A lot of people say it is bulls  t though as they wouldn't travel by train normally and they weren't interested in anywhere outside London. I would assume that would apply to the North East too.
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omgus
4,862 posts
44 months
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shirt said: who's the current king of the gypsies? i'd say that'd be a good place to look for a complete mental hard nut
eta: is joe joyce, current bareknuckle champ of britain & ireland
One of the locals in a pub I used to work at was a gypsy bareknuckler, lovely bloke, wouldn't say boo to a goose normally but sometimes you would get a non-local gypsy turn up and have a go, he was scary once he went you just closed up and waited for the police to come down and help you clear up.
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Oakey
13,731 posts
85 months
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Ganglandboss said: WorAl said: Since we aren't doing "known" people I can't mention the chap who warned the Krays to not venture into the North East or face the consequences.
They didn't funnily. There's a story that the Krays were sent packing in Manchester by the Quality Street Gang when they arrived on a train at Piccadilly Station. A lot of people say it is bulls t though as they wouldn't travel by train normally and they weren't interested in anywhere outside London. I would assume that would apply to the North East too. Every town and city has this story, even Frankie Fraser says on his website if he had a quid every time someone told that story he'd be rich.
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shirt
14,293 posts
70 months
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omgus said: shirt said: who's the current king of the gypsies? i'd say that'd be a good place to look for a complete mental hard nut
eta: is joe joyce, current bareknuckle champ of britain & ireland
One of the locals in a pub I used to work at was a gypsy bareknuckler, lovely bloke, wouldn't say boo to a goose normally but sometimes you would get a non-local gypsy turn up and have a go, he was scary once he went you just closed up and waited for the police to come down and help you clear up. bartley gorman's book is well worth a read. he was the former king, some of the fights he describes are truly horrendous.
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WorAl
10,877 posts
57 months
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Oakey said: Ganglandboss said: WorAl said: Since we aren't doing "known" people I can't mention the chap who warned the Krays to not venture into the North East or face the consequences.
They didn't funnily. There's a story that the Krays were sent packing in Manchester by the Quality Street Gang when they arrived on a train at Piccadilly Station. A lot of people say it is bulls t though as they wouldn't travel by train normally and they weren't interested in anywhere outside London. I would assume that would apply to the North East too. Every town and city has this story, even Frankie Fraser says on his website if he had a quid every time someone told that story he'd be rich. Yep, regular story on Tyneside too.
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ProfessorPeach
616 posts
40 months
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KenBlocksPants said: This is heading to a pretty ghey area Judging by the number of pictures of men with their shirts off in this thread, we are well into Gayland. Reflect for a minute everyone. You are now in a thread with lots of pictures of men with their shirts off. In Gayland.
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Bitzleftover
133 posts
84 months
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jackal said: my vote goes to george cornwell
takes a certain sort of person to have gone up to Ronny kray and called him a poof Or even George Cornell. I used to work the pubs and clubs when it was all cash in hand no questions asked, saw some small men mad things and saw some big men shy away because they didn't was their faces marked and just were on the doors to look good to the ladies. So I would say you just can't tell , as the saying " it's not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog". Just my 2p
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D1bram
866 posts
40 months
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Oakey said: Ganglandboss said: WorAl said: Since we aren't doing "known" people I can't mention the chap who warned the Krays to not venture into the North East or face the consequences.
They didn't funnily. There's a story that the Krays were sent packing in Manchester by the Quality Street Gang when they arrived on a train at Piccadilly Station. A lot of people say it is bulls t though as they wouldn't travel by train normally and they weren't interested in anywhere outside London. I would assume that would apply to the North East too. Every town and city has this story, even Frankie Fraser says on his website if he had a quid every time someone told that story he'd be rich. That story even featured lately in Shameless, with Frank Galagher claiming he was there 
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central
15,959 posts
86 months
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968CSReading said: Cant believe know one has mentioned the hardest nutter of all. Lenny Mclean aka the Guv'nor. His autobiography is well worth a read. The man was mental.   Beaten by Cliff Field. Twice.
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plenty
1,921 posts
55 months
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IMO a "hardman" must have not only have the physical skills but the hard edge - the cold, ruthless attitude and savage, animalistic presence to go with it. I personally don't think MMA fighters like Bisping or Hardy, or David Haye, fit the bill as they are too clean-cut and clearly highly intelligent, cerebral even. Gangsters are a good choice, and the likes of the Guvnor and Roy Shaw also are good shouts as they represent the dual mystique of '60s gangland and bare-knuckle prizefighting.
My pick? Lee Murray. Hardly someone to be lionised given his violent crimes, but you can't argue with his credentials: world-class MMA fighter, £53m bank robber, owner of a London security firm and (if you believe the stories) the uncrowned king of the streets back in the day.
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Trevelyan
672 posts
58 months
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plenty said: IMO a "hardman" must have not only have the physical skills but the hard edge - the cold, ruthless attitude and savage, animalistic presence to go with it. Correct. Being a hard man isn't all about being handy in a punch up. It's more about not thinking twice about using extreme violence or torturing your opponents, and having no fear whatsoever of the consequences.
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Otter Smacker
4,684 posts
63 months
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Another vote for Lenny Mclean 
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Shaolin
2,095 posts
58 months
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Trevelyan said: Being a hard man isn't all about being handy in a punch up. It's more about not thinking twice about using extreme violence or torturing your opponents, and having no fear whatsoever of the consequences. Nelson then - or maybe Bomber Harris. For some reason I have read through this thread, mainly as I am bemused with the question "Why? - who cares?". There's the homo-erotic stuff I suppose, most of the people here I have never heard of and those I have are people I have no respect for at all - them or their life-style. What's to admire?
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Gun
11,701 posts
87 months
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My vote goes to Andrew Sheridan, the England loosehead prop. He's nearly 6 foot 5, 18 stone and can bench press 500lbs. 
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Sway
2,421 posts
63 months
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southendpier said: I have been in locations where self-proclaimed-hard-man-east-end-friend-of-the-Crims-and-Stars-"Dodgy" Dave Courtney is in residence. Surrounded by his gang...scrawny aggressive white 17-20yr old wannabe hardmen intimidating others and making Dave look "hard". Maybe surrounding themselves with young men may actually be the only way these guys get hard. Dave can certainly handle himself, or at least, used to, but I fear 'fame' has gotten to his head. Some of the others in the group he hung around with before his 'fame' are proper nutters, and have done some very nasty things in their time. I have first hand knowledge of this, and wouldn't mess or upset any of them if you paid me a significant sum of money...
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swerni
19,879 posts
79 months
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Otter Smacker said: Another vote for Lenny Mclean are we including dead people then? But I vote Roy Shaw
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Killer2005
15,390 posts
97 months
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I've heard a rumour round these parts that Vinnie Jones bats for both sides
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