Jury duty, reasons to be excused

Jury duty, reasons to be excused

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Four Cofffee

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11,800 posts

236 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Anybody know the grounds/excuses not to do it?

My daughter has just got an order for 2 weeks plus jury duty in July. She managed to defer it once before because she was working in Oz but this time they are insisting she goes.

She is a NHS doctor and despite a letter from her hospital saying she is needed and that there is no cover the Jury Service have turned down her request to be excused or defer again. She is a also in the TA and due to deploy to Afghanistan later this year so the hospital can ill aford to lose her for another 2 weeks plus.

She has a right of appeal but I was wondering what the convincing arguments would be?

I know we all have a civic duty etc but it seems nonesense to have the NHS pay locum rates (if they can even find a locum in her area) and her lose pay (she will have to take unpaid leave and accept the £55 a day for jury duty). Personally I think she is doing her bit going to Afghanistan and there must be many others willing and able to carry out this important job without them costing her and the NHS money. God forbid she ends up wih some protracted trial because that wll cut across her deployment training .

Turbodiesel1690

1,957 posts

171 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Very interesting that you mention she's in the TA - I got off jury duty about 7 years ago as I was then in the TA, check the small print maybe its still a valid reason to be excused

jamesson

2,993 posts

222 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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On the first day, she should say she knows the defendant. Went to school with him, or something. That might get her excused.

HereBeMonsters

14,180 posts

183 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Is she massively racist?

KieronGSi

1,108 posts

205 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Turbodiesel1690 said:
Very interesting that you mention she's in the TA - I got off jury duty about 7 years ago as I was then in the TA, check the small print maybe its still a valid reason to be excused
If you were in the Armed Forces you used to be excused full stop but this has changed and is no longer the case.

Google [bot]

6,682 posts

182 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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jamesson said:
On the first day, she should say she knows the defendant. Went to school with him, or something. That might get her excused.
It doesn't. She has to sit around drinking coffee and not discussing any case with anyone for the next week or two until another case comes up.

Don

28,377 posts

285 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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I managed to get out of it by claiming that my (small) firm would suffer unusual financial hardship and expenses (I was working in the US).

She'll need a letter from someone very senior in the hospital saying she has skills the hospital is under-resourced for and they cannot afford to let her spend time away without compromising patient care.

If that doesn't work she'll be doing it.

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

213 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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She should do it. How can we expect to receive fair trial by jury and then on the other hand not want to do jury service? It's a pain I know.

James P

2,958 posts

238 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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I think that if she has already deferred it once, then there are no reasons to be excused again.

308mate

13,757 posts

223 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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She's best off finding out what the case is about and then dressing or answering questions at selection in a way that will make the prosecution think there is a conflict of interests.




GTIR

24,741 posts

267 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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I'm amazed you have a daughter never mind the fact she's old enough to be called up for jury duty! hehe

I always through you were about 22. thumbup







And gay

Google [bot]

6,682 posts

182 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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308mate said:
She's best off finding out what the case is about and then dressing or answering questions at selection in a way that will make the prosecution think there is a conflict of interests.
per my post above, it doesn't work like that, or at least it didn't when I did it, about 15 years ago.

Fer

7,710 posts

281 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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anonymous said:
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EFA. I agree with your sentiments, thought.

silverthorn2151

6,298 posts

180 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Google [bot] said:
308mate said:
She's best off finding out what the case is about and then dressing or answering questions at selection in a way that will make the prosecution think there is a conflict of interests.
per my post above, it doesn't work like that, or at least it didn't when I did it, about 15 years ago.
It still doesn't. If you get jury service, you should do it. My only reservation was getting on a very long trial. I did mine at the old bailey. If you should come up for a long trial you are asked what affect that would have on you. The Judge, and ONLY the Judge can then excuse you from that trial selection. If he thinks you should be on it, you're on it, and I do believe that there is no right of appeal.

You don't know about the trial before you get called from the jury room. A bunch of you go down to the court and they randomly select numbers that you have been given. The whole process was fasinating, but then, I got a murder trial rather than shoplifting. It's the one time in your life where you have to be more honest than ever before. Try and wriggle out of it by being inventive and I suspect you'd be in the poo quicker than you could flush.

308mate

13,757 posts

223 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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silverthorn2151 said:
Google [bot] said:
308mate said:
She's best off finding out what the case is about and then dressing or answering questions at selection in a way that will make the prosecution think there is a conflict of interests.
per my post above, it doesn't work like that, or at least it didn't when I did it, about 15 years ago.
It still doesn't. If you get jury service, you should do it. My only reservation was getting on a very long trial. I did mine at the old bailey. If you should come up for a long trial you are asked what affect that would have on you. The Judge, and ONLY the Judge can then excuse you from that trial selection. If he thinks you should be on it, you're on it, and I do believe that there is no right of appeal.

You don't know about the trial before you get called from the jury room. A bunch of you go down to the court and they randomly select numbers that you have been given. The whole process was fasinating, but then, I got a murder trial rather than shoplifting. It's the one time in your life where you have to be more honest than ever before. Try and wriggle out of it by being inventive and I suspect you'd be in the poo quicker than you could flush.
So youre saying its not like on Boston Legal then? Dammit...

HellDiver

5,708 posts

183 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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I don't know why people get so excited about doing it. I've been on a jury (yes, really), and it was brilliant. Free food, travelling paid for, and still get paid by work. Best 6 week holiday ever.

Pothole

34,367 posts

283 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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CaptainSlow said:
She should do it. How can we expect to receive fair trial by jury and then on the other hand not want to do jury service? It's a pain I know.
+1

Are you quite sure it's not about the money? Honestly?

HereBeMonsters

14,180 posts

183 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Can you actually get excused for being prejudiced? I mean, if I suspected the accused of being the slightest bit chavvy, I'd probably make up my mind there and then.

Mr Gearchange

5,892 posts

207 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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The key is to say you are prejudiced against all races.

PaulHogan

6,157 posts

279 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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My mother asked to be excused because she was having the Lord Chief Justice of England round for coffee that week. She never heard from them again!