Redundancy - Notice period

[bonsai]

Arese said:

Does this mean there's a moderator job going?

On the contrary, he now has even more time to devote to Moderator duties.

[TheMinel]

sleep envy said:

Minel, one wonders why they're trying to tin you.

funnily enough, they don't want to! Regardless, I'm off anyway, good luck to them.

[TheMinel]

Bonefish Blues said:

TheMinel said:

mathmos said:

TheMinel said:

Basically, if he now, for example, makes ME redundant, he's going to get himself in front of an employee tribunal for unfair dismissal. I'm also considering alerting the other potential candidates that if they get made redundant, I'm prepared to testify that the company hasn't followed a fair process and hasn't given employees the opportunity to volunteer. Silly rabbit he is!

Pretty sure companies don't HAVE to offer voluntary, or take up an offer should someone volunteer.

they don't have to, but they asked for volunteers. Then they never came back to me officially with the terms, only unofficially. I have my request in writing, they never replied to me. This prevented me to make an informed decision on whether to volunteer or not. They now obviously have to go ahead with the consultations, which my boss told me, have started even BEFORE the deadline for potential volunteers was reached. That doesn't sound like a fair process to me.

On top of that, I "may" have evidence of unlawful working conditions and bribing that took place to win some contracts which I'm sure the employee tribunal will also love.

Not sure how many of you guys here have experience with employee tribunals, I have, from both sides of the fence.

A company that makes people redundant for no real reason and fails to follow a fair process does not get looked at favourably.

I personally don't care much about the outcome of this for my own situation. As I said, I'm pretty much sorted either way, I just tried to save someone's job who may not be in a win-win situation like I am on this occasion.

Edited by TheMinel on Wednesday 28th July 19:45

Or, put another way, they were responsible enough to take informal soundings prior to any formal process beginning, but understandably whilst they gave you an informal indication of the terms, wouldn't formalise them at that point. These have proved inconclusive, or perhaps it is already clear that insufficient numbers were interested, and they have begun the formal process. The option for volunteers may still be present, that will come out during the process, as will the terms.

As you said, a Tribunal will concern itself with whether a fair process was followed, and you will have to show how "unlawful working conditions" and "bribing" which in your words you "may" be able to evidence have a bearing on the efficacy of any redundancies.

Keep us posted.

I might just do that. Moral of the story for the naive ones though: always look out for number one, nobody else will, especially not employers

Edited by TheMinel on Wednesday 28th July 21:55

[AndrewTait]

Got made redundant this time last year - Was told of impending redundancies, and the numbers affected in each department, and told there would be a 30 day consultation period.

I unofficially got told I was going on the 29th day, and I would be told officially on my next shift, which was 2 days later. Because I had already been told unofficially, I was asked to just attend for a meeting to be told, and to collect whatever belongings I had in work (Fortunately I had already removed anything which was likely to be of any use in future jobs!)

I should have got 3 months notice, but got paid compensation for breach of contract, on the understanding I signed a compromise agreement.

With my statutary and discressionary redundancy money, and my compensation for breach of contract (all tax free) I got the equivilent of 6 months take home pay.

Still didn't last long though, as I thought I should pay off some debts which could be problematical if left. Still paying off the credit cards and overdraft run up during my redundancy.

[pikeyboy]

When i worked at rolls royce aerospace people who were in contact with sensitive info, ie performance engineers were escorted of site minutes after getting their notice period. everyone else got gardening leave

[tim2100]

Gone through Redundancy 3 times over the last 8 years.

First time I handed over then went.

2nd time after the 90 day consultation, sort of worked the first month, 2nd month PILON.

3rd Time, started the 30 day consultation period and told to finish it at home. Then got 3 months PILON.

[Mattygooner]

Depends on the amount of people involved, lots of people means group consultation followed by consultation on your own, depending how long that period lasts (you may have questions, possiure etc) then your notice.

It's up to the company if they want you to work your notice or just some of it for handover.

[dfen5]

Beware the fairy job mother.

[lord summerisle]

for me it was 1 weeks consultation, and given pay in lieu of notice on the friday.
Had gone in to be told, as i was on a pre booked holiday, pissed off to a music festival after getting my letter. went in on the monday morning to pick up my stuff.

[TV8]

I worked somewhere going through a reverse takeover. Some good people, some less so. One of the wise people from the lead company thought it a good move to serve notice of redundancy on everyone and go through a lengthy process of showing everyone that they didnt know how to intergrate two companies. Everyone had to reapply for the new roles which were all subtly different from the old. Expecting a massive competition for the roles, it was something of a surprise when this didnt happen. An even bigger surprise when lots of people said they were leaving.

[RosscoPCole]

Some teaching jobs you have to give a school terms notice. That means if you want a new job in September you have to hand your notice in at Easter. That is 5 months!