Glad I was born when I was (long time ago)
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singlecoil said:
There are always people who are doing well who think that those who are not doing well aren't trying hard enough. Of course that will be true in a number of cases, but are a great many others who are trying very hard indeed. I can think of plenty of examples.
Hmm I would turn that turn of phrase upside down.I think the unlucky ones that try real hard yet fail (time after time) and are in a (financial?) debt that they can't solve are the exception rather than the rule.
ZesPak said:
singlecoil said:
There are always people who are doing well who think that those who are not doing well aren't trying hard enough. Of course that will be true in a number of cases, but are a great many others who are trying very hard indeed. I can think of plenty of examples.
Hmm I would turn that turn of phrase upside down.I think the unlucky ones that try real hard yet fail (time after time) and are in a (financial?) debt that they can't solve are the exception rather than the rule.
singlecoil said:
There are always people who are doing well who think that those who are not doing well aren't trying hard enough. Of course that will be true in a number of cases, but are a great many others who are trying very hard indeed. I can think of plenty of examples.
THere are a tiny, tiny, infinitesimal proportion of people who are simply "down on thier luck" and struggling due to a mixture of circumstances.The vast majority of reliable, hardworking British people are able to get a job if they are willing.
The Economy is currently growing. What more is there to say?
WorAl said:
TBH I am pleased I was born and grew up when I did, born 1983 so late 80's early 90's was my childhood era and I'm pleased as I think it was the last generation where kids could grow up freely without all the PC/elf n safety BS that children of this generation have to restrict them.
You would have loved growing up in the 70s and 80s then!Good times.
madbadger said:
WorAl said:
TBH I am pleased I was born and grew up when I did, born 1983 so late 80's early 90's was my childhood era and I'm pleased as I think it was the last generation where kids could grow up freely without all the PC/elf n safety BS that children of this generation have to restrict them.
You would have loved growing up in the 70s and 80s then!Good times.
WorAl said:
madbadger said:
WorAl said:
TBH I am pleased I was born and grew up when I did, born 1983 so late 80's early 90's was my childhood era and I'm pleased as I think it was the last generation where kids could grow up freely without all the PC/elf n safety BS that children of this generation have to restrict them.
You would have loved growing up in the 70s and 80s then!Good times.
WorAl said:
all the PC/elf n safety BS that children of this generation have to restrict them
How much of this sort of thing really exists outside the pages of the Wail? Yes, there are some paranoid parents, but I see kids doing all the same things I did growing up, and plenty worse.Cheers,
FT.
madbadger said:
WorAl said:
TBH I am pleased I was born and grew up when I did, born 1983 so late 80's early 90's was my childhood era and I'm pleased as I think it was the last generation where kids could grow up freely without all the PC/elf n safety BS that children of this generation have to restrict them.
You would have loved growing up in the 70s and 80s then!Good times.
Fume troll said:
Yes, it must have been awesome. Imagine every time you wanted to know something, you'd ask around, no-one would know so you'd go the library, and get them to order some books that might contain the answer. Perhaps in three or four weeks you'd find out what you wanted to know.
Random facts didn't concern us, we were too busy having fun with our mates.MaxAndRuby said:
Fume troll said:
Yes, it must have been awesome. Imagine every time you wanted to know something, you'd ask around, no-one would know so you'd go the library, and get them to order some books that might contain the answer. Perhaps in three or four weeks you'd find out what you wanted to know.
Random facts didn't concern us, we were too busy having fun with our mates.Cheers,
FT.
Fume troll said:
WorAl said:
madbadger said:
WorAl said:
TBH I am pleased I was born and grew up when I did, born 1983 so late 80's early 90's was my childhood era and I'm pleased as I think it was the last generation where kids could grow up freely without all the PC/elf n safety BS that children of this generation have to restrict them.
You would have loved growing up in the 70s and 80s then!Good times.
It didn't me, I know that much
Fume troll said:
WorAl said:
all the PC/elf n safety BS that children of this generation have to restrict them
How much of this sort of thing really exists outside the pages of the Wail? Yes, there are some paranoid parents, but I see kids doing all the same things I did growing up, and plenty worse.Cheers,
FT.
The street I grew up in is dead, never seen kids playing about there the last dozen or so visits I've had and I know there are kids living there as my friend has seen them getting driven to school by their parents.
WorAl said:
But if the technology isn't there you don't know any different. Did it get on your tits when you didn't have a mobile phone before they were common?
It didn't me, I know that much
Not the best argument against progress. You could logically extend it to any time in history / prehistory.It didn't me, I know that much
And yes, there were plenty times I thought it would be very handy to be able to contact someone without trying to find 10p and a phonebox, and then hope the other person was actually beside a phone too.
WorAl said:
Really? I don't, I've not seen kids playing out in the street for years, not even when I was living in a housing estate, not on the farm.
The street I grew up in is dead, never seen kids playing about there the last dozen or so visits I've had and I know there are kids living there as my friend has seen them getting driven to school by their parents.
I seem to see plenty. I suppose it depends on the community.The street I grew up in is dead, never seen kids playing about there the last dozen or so visits I've had and I know there are kids living there as my friend has seen them getting driven to school by their parents.
Cheers,
FT.
blindswelledrat said:
singlecoil said:
It's good to see some optimism, but are the last two sentences meant ironically? I'm quite sure there are a great many people currently desperately seeking work, including some recent Lloyds bank employees (whose ranks are soon to be increased) who would disagree with the face value meaning.
Nope.As sorry as I feel for all of them, 4000 jobs make no difference whatsoever to the entire country. Neither do anecdotes from teh Daily Mail about someone called Jim who has been out of work for 6 years because our labour market is too full of Poles.
THread after thread is bemoaning how many immigrants come here and take our jobs. Millions of them.
I would suggest that in 90% of cases the emplyer would prefer an British person of equal calibre to the immigrant they employed.
Can you imagine a British graduate getting their hands dirty cleaning other peoples toilets
For the record, they do a much better job than any of the other English cleaners we've had in the past, and are gradually building up a nice little business. In a couple of years I reckon they'll be worth a fair amount of money. They know they're not going to be cleaning toilets for ever, yet they still work very hard at it, and don't moan about the fact that they're not using their degrees. They also don't think the world owes them a living.
Fume troll said:
MaxAndRuby said:
Fume troll said:
Yes, it must have been awesome. Imagine every time you wanted to know something, you'd ask around, no-one would know so you'd go the library, and get them to order some books that might contain the answer. Perhaps in three or four weeks you'd find out what you wanted to know.
Random facts didn't concern us, we were too busy having fun with our mates.Cheers,
FT.
Fume troll said:
Not the best argument against progress. You could logically extend it to any time in history / prehistory.
And yes, there were plenty times I thought it would be very handy to be able to contact someone without trying to find 10p and a phonebox, and then hope the other person was actually beside a phone too.
Granted yes, at times it would have been nice but if it didn't happen, you just thought, oh well I'll see them later.And yes, there were plenty times I thought it would be very handy to be able to contact someone without trying to find 10p and a phonebox, and then hope the other person was actually beside a phone too.
What happens now? Someone doesn't answer their phone, "oh s
t, what haven't they answered? they always answer" or "why haven't you answered your phone? I've been trying for ages" etc etc. Life just seemed to have less stress and more forgiving aura.Maybe that's life through Rose tinted specs but there seems to be a few here who agree and people I talk to about 'the olden days' seem to agree too.
Fume troll said:
I seem to see plenty. I suppose it depends on the community.
Cheers,
FT.
Maybe it is, but the area I grew up in hasn't changed much and the last housing area I lived in was anything but a slum, quite well off and no real crime levels or such like.Cheers,
FT.
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