Bl**dy students- part 2

[Frankeh]

rypt said:

Frankeh said:

I think the problem is that I've never met an art student that isn't a pretentious tt.

Without art students and a few other subjects there would be far fewer hot girls at uni

This is true.

[clarkey328is]

Frankeh said:

rypt said:

Frankeh said:

I think the problem is that I've never met an art student that isn't a pretentious tt.

Without art students and a few other subjects there would be far fewer hot girls at uni

This is true.

You've forgotten nursing, law and business. Art students are too pretentious.

[Colonial]

clarkey328is said:

Frankeh said:

rypt said:

Frankeh said:

I think the problem is that I've never met an art student that isn't a pretentious tt.

Without art students and a few other subjects there would be far fewer hot girls at uni

This is true.

You've forgotten nursing, law and business. Art students are too pretentious.

And business and law students aren't?

[BigBen]

sleep envy said:

Wills2 said:

BigBen said:

This is strong evidence in favour of my argument for art degrees requiring fees of £22k per year to be paid and engineering to be free....

Spot on.

erm, just to point out the obvious a car based web forum mainly populated by technical types will generally favour their own background

it's hardly an unbiased representation

It was not supposed to be an unbiased representation.

I feel the country would be better off funding science and engineering type subjects rather than the arts, the video in the OP strongly supports this argument.

Ben

[Colonial]

BigBen said:

sleep envy said:

Wills2 said:

BigBen said:

This is strong evidence in favour of my argument for art degrees requiring fees of £22k per year to be paid and engineering to be free....

Spot on.

erm, just to point out the obvious a car based web forum mainly populated by technical types will generally favour their own background

it's hardly an unbiased representation

It was not supposed to be an unbiased representation.

I feel the country would be better off funding science and engineering type subjects rather than the arts, the video in the OP strongly supports this argument.

Ben

But how do you classify the arts?

[rypt]

clarkey328is said:

Frankeh said:

rypt said:

Frankeh said:

I think the problem is that I've never met an art student that isn't a pretentious tt.

Without art students and a few other subjects there would be far fewer hot girls at uni

This is true.

You've forgotten nursing, law and business. Art students are too pretentious.

They can be as pretentious as they want, I'd still rather have the female ones around then have some more male engineers (as much fun as us lot can be)

[Cas_P]

rypt said:

I don't see anything wrong with what she did, she was not disrespectful nor did she mean to be disrespectful

I fear that after the video of someone rubbing spaghetti hoops all over themselves whilst making noises of the sunshine variety kind and pissing on the floor. May well have deemed the thread just slightly off topic, and the OP forgotten.

[sleep envy]

BigBen said:

sleep envy said:

Wills2 said:

BigBen said:

This is strong evidence in favour of my argument for art degrees requiring fees of £22k per year to be paid and engineering to be free....

Spot on.

erm, just to point out the obvious a car based web forum mainly populated by technical types will generally favour their own background

it's hardly an unbiased representation

It was not supposed to be an unbiased representation.

I feel the country would be better off funding science and engineering type subjects rather than the arts, the video in the OP strongly supports this argument.

Ben

cheers for proving my point

[BigBen]

sleep envy said:

BigBen said:

sleep envy said:

Wills2 said:

BigBen said:

This is strong evidence in favour of my argument for art degrees requiring fees of £22k per year to be paid and engineering to be free....

Spot on.

erm, just to point out the obvious a car based web forum mainly populated by technical types will generally favour their own background

it's hardly an unbiased representation

It was not supposed to be an unbiased representation.

I feel the country would be better off funding science and engineering type subjects rather than the arts, the video in the OP strongly supports this argument.

Ben

cheers for proving my point

Pleasure.

If as seems to be the case the UK is a bit strapped for cash then it does not make sense to carry on funding subjects that are less likely to have a positive future impact on the GDP of the country. Name a nation that has got to the top of the economic pile by having a very successful art industry.

Having said all that I can imagine that the fees for arts courses will end up being higher as they tend to be heavily over subscribed compared to engineering (at least that was the case 15 years or so ago when I was off to university) so supply and demand could come into play meaning engineering schools can't afford to charge high fees but art's schools can. This would be a pity as the cost of equipping a decent lab must be a bit more than the cost of a tin of spaghetti (although this may be up for debate in some labs)

Ben

[sleep envy]

So any degree that doesn't contribute to putting a country to the top of the economic pile should be tinned?

Utter drivel

I read a science degree so I'm far from biased but don't think those that go to art college pursue a career in opening tin cans and calling it performance art (I've already posted a couple of examples which actually contribute to the export balance sheet)

btw, I'm currently working with two uk owned galleries, of which their spend in the current construction market is eye watering

having spoken with their chief execs their foreign client base are spending money hand over fist with them

Does that make you feel any better, ben?

[davemac250]

sleep envy said:

So any degree that doesn't contribute to putting a country to the top of the economic pile should be tinned?

Utter drivel

I read a science degree so I'm far from biased but don't think those that go to art college pursue a career in opening tin cans and calling it performance art (I've already posted a couple of examples which actually contribute to the export balance sheet)

btw, I'm currently working with two uk owned galleries, of which their spend in the current construction market is eye watering

having spoken with their chief execs their foreign client base are spending money hand over fist with them

Does that make you feel any better, ben?

I think you'd do better to start you own thread extolling the virtues of the arts.

Certainly be better placed than anything following that video.

Given yourself something of a handicap there.

[sleep envy]

Not really. It's gotten people talking about it so it's achieved its purpose

[BigBen]

sleep envy said:

So any degree that doesn't contribute to putting a country to the top of the economic pile should be tinned?

Utter drivel

I read a science degree so I'm far from biased but don't think those that go to art college pursue a career in opening tin cans and calling it performance art (I've already posted a couple of examples which actually contribute to the export balance sheet)

btw, I'm currently working with two uk owned galleries, of which their spend in the current construction market is eye watering

having spoken with their chief execs their foreign client base are spending money hand over fist with them

Does that make you feel any better, ben?

I don't think I ever said the arts should be 'tinned' (a spaghetti hoops reference ?) what I am suggesting is that funding could be prioritised for more economically viable subjects.

To be clear I am sure that the video in this thread is not representative of most art students.

Ben

[SGirl]

But are you talking "art" students, or "arts" students? "Arts" covers a multitude of subjects.

[Frankeh]

sleep envy said:

So any degree that doesn't contribute to putting a country to the top of the economic pile should be tinned?

Utter drivel

I read a science degree so I'm far from biased but don't think those that go to art college pursue a career in opening tin cans and calling it performance art (I've already posted a couple of examples which actually contribute to the export balance sheet)

btw, I'm currently working with two uk owned galleries, of which their spend in the current construction market is eye watering

having spoken with their chief execs their foreign client base are spending money hand over fist with them

Does that make you feel any better, ben?

How many of those execs have art degrees and how many have business degrees?
How many of the artists who contribute their work to the gallery have art degrees?

No one is arguing that art is pointless or should be scrapped.
We're arguing that studying it at uni is a fking stupid idea as if you had any talent at all you wouldn't need a degree.

[sleep envy]

That's the second time you've asked that question and I'll answer it again but this time in more simplistic terms using my friend as an example.

He went to art college to get a degree in graphic design. It wasn't until he was there that he started to explore photography in his work which pushed him towards filming.

Since then he has directed many productions for uk companies that have been sold the world over.

Yes, there are peole who can paint and command fortunes for their pieces without having set foot inside a college. There are also far more that develop their work through going to college and takIng totally different paths in their careers but still applying what they have learnt.

Btw, what degree did you read?

[Plotloss]

Frankeh said:

We're arguing that studying it at uni is a fking stupid idea as if you had any talent at all you wouldn't need a degree.

The world of art doesn't work like that though.

An artist's success is based largely on his/her provenance, now I fully accept that I am a total luddite in such matters but good artists, as in well thought of by the art world, need to be able to prove their nonsense and invariably this is done by graduating from a good art school.

It's not just saying, I'm good at drawing so therefore I am a good artist, good artists understand the construction and signifiers of pieces, where they are rooted and what they are saying, that is the academic side of art and it is that which is taught.

I'm sure, given enough time I could do the calculations to ensure a bridge doesnt fall down yet that doesnt make me an engineer and it never will. It's exactly the same with art.