Bl**dy students- part 2

[sleep envy]

At least you're honest

[davemac250]

Always!

Unless there is the chance of a leg over! then I'll say whatever it takes

TBH the Alfa was a dog when I got it. True barn find at least it was free!

The only thing that made me take it on was a drive in a sorted one.

Which mine, after 7 years, still isn't.

Still, looks nice now.

[dxg]

sleep envy said:

I personally know the architect who came up with the concept

keep going

Okay, so it was conceptualised by an Architect, but realised by an Engineer. Which one is the bigger achievement?

(Aside: A few years back I got to the final interview stage for a Royal Academy of Engineering Research Fellowship. My argument was that Engineers and Architects need to interact with each other more effectively because design expertise has reached the point where Structural Engineers can now realise shapes and forms that Architects had previously only been able to dream of. I was trying to promote the role of the Engineer to be as significant as that of the Architect in considering what is possible when you move beyond traditional axioms such as "wall", "roof" and so forth. They didn't fund me. The RAE never fund "construction" people. As far as I know, I'm the only one to ever get that far through the process.)

Edited by dxg on Saturday 13th November 22:03

[sleep envy]

DXG - before I give you my opinion have you been involved in a technical build such as this?

[Famous Graham]

davemac250 said:

The ability to embarass more modern machines.

You're referring to the ability to be fixed by a trip to Halfords, right?

Every weekend.

[Famous Graham]

Plotloss said:

A lot of what Brunel did was because he could not because it was strictly necessary.

Could you retype that?

Not having a pop, just it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, so I can't grasp the point.

ETA - never mind, just twigged where the comma should have been.

Edited by Famous Graham on Sunday 14th November 00:33

[dxg]

sleep envy said:

DXG - before I give you my opinion have you been involved in a technical build such as this?

Nope. But I am interested in your opinion, as I've seen you make interesting comments on the Grand Designs thread.

[sleep envy]

I'm neither a SE or an arch but ask your question to either and they'd be loathed to answer - I've never encountered willy waving in 15 years, which has on occasion included some equally prestigious schemes

i also posed your question to mrs envy and she came up with the same answer as I did - everyone in the design team takes equal credit as without their input it wouldn't have been built

don't forget, it wouldn't have been just the SE and arch who would have determined the design of that structure, I reckon the services engineer had a few sleepless nights over it too, let alone the qs trying to price it and all the subs getting it built!

[sleep envy]

Another thought occured to me, I doubt arup's produced the final structural design either - I'd be willing to guess it would have been detailed by the specialist fabricator

[chris123321]

To be fair, I think there's alot of beauty and art in perfection of engineering and creating something impressive by engineering standards,

It may not look good, but the effort and knowledge of physics put into creating something perfect can be quite inspiring,


Oh and yes, bloody students, every student mate of mine is bawwing still , and still attempting to be "controversial" with their view.

[Shay HTFC]

chris123321 said:

To be fair, I think there's alot of beauty and art in perfection of engineering and creating something impressive by engineering standards,

It may not look good, but the effort and knowledge of physics put into creating something perfect can be quite inspiring,

That's your opinion, which I also agree with.

Someone from a non engineering might not see it that way though. It might just be a load of 'metal and stuff'.

Likewise, a lot of people here (older, car enthusiasts) don't 'get' art. To them it is just a load of random st. But as has already been said, if our world was created with only the design input of engineers, then it would be a rather dull place confining to mathematical formulas and precise, predictable patterns. Possibly an OCD sufferers idea of heaven.

Engineering is all about the object. We judge good engineering by looking at its structural composition and the 'concrete' object we see in front of us. In modern art, the structure is almost irrelevant compared to the message behind. I don't claim to understand a lot of it, but I am interested in trying to understand more, because there is obviously some merit to it, much like there is merit to say Brunel's work even if millions of people will never understand that - i.e. "its just a bridge".

[Colonial]

rypt said:

Colonial said:

Still, I'd rather be in a room full of art students than a room full of accountancy or engineering students.

They redefine the words tedious and dull.

What is your beef with engineering students?

Half of us party harder than the arty types anyway, and can actually string 2 sentences together about current events

May be able to string 2 sentences together, but can't comprehend text apparently.

Party? Yeah, if getting drunk in a room full of smelly men with bad fashion sense is a party. Bugger. This is pistonheads

Engineers do a lot of good work, but so do other professions. Designers, architects etc etc. And maybe some of them need to accept this.

[rypt]

Partying is not all about being drunk

[12gauge]

How did a thread about a half naked moron end up turning into one of engineering? Is there any evidence this freak has any ability whatsoever other than drawing attention to herself and generally getting in the way?

There is a difference from being creative and simply being provocative.

[sleep envy]

Well their creativity appears to be working

[clarkey328is]

BigBen said:

This is strong evidence in favour of my argument for art degrees requiring fees of £22k per year to be paid and engineering to be free....

That's my argument too! I've managed to turn a few people so far, although they are mostly on my course....
Music is pretty much the same except they're louder.

[Frankeh]

This thread was never originally about artists, it was about art students.
There is a real difference between an art student and an actual artist.

A degree in art is the stupidest most pointless bullst. A simple portfolio showing your art is going to get you further than a bit of dull paper with the words "Degree" on it.

Did the Beatles have music degrees? Did Van Gough have an art degree? Etc.

Art degrees are just an extension of student life and have fk all to do with being an artist.

So in short, art will happen no matter what.

[sleep envy]

Frankeh said:

So in short, art will happen no matter what.

true but IMO it would be less rich without

loads of great bands were formed whilst at art college and a large number of artists varied their work and found a style whilst there

bear in mind not all art students are the type who throw pig st on a canvas to represent the struggle of the repressed in a capitalist society - I know one particular chap who went on to direct various episodes of torchwood and dr who amongst other tv progs and a relative of mine who designs film sets for blockbuster films

[Frankeh]

I think the problem is that I've never met an art student that isn't a pretentious tt.

[rypt]

Frankeh said:

I think the problem is that I've never met an art student that isn't a pretentious tt.

Without art students and a few other subjects there would be far fewer hot girls at uni