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Jag-D
Original Poster
19,565 posts
88 months
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This is purely theoretical, but I really do like the idea of moving to america, so I thought I would ask the good people of ph as to the pros and cons of doing so
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Rotary Madness
2,069 posts
55 months
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The women, the accent alone is enough to keep you in the fish for the rest of your life.
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cal72
7,548 posts
39 months
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Jag-D said: pros and cons Yes. Lots of them.
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plg
4,106 posts
79 months
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Putting aside visas, etc...
Work opportunities? Better weather? Freedom? Space (they have lots) Different culture?
I'd stayed extensively in California and Washington State. Would move there like a shot. California has a great scenery, job opportunities and a choice of cities / towns to live in. Washington State (esp Seattle) is quite European, and Seattle has similar rainfall to the UK. Big expat communities as well and big employers (eg Boeing, Microsoft)
Oh, and look at Canada as well. There is a reason Vancouver is voted as one of the best places in the world to live.
What do you want to achieve? Tell us more...
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GreenDog
1,724 posts
61 months
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cal72 said: Jag-D said: pros and cons Yes. Lots of them. The two aren't mutually exclusive either.
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OllieWinchester
4,892 posts
61 months
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Maxf
7,056 posts
110 months
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Ditto comments above about Seattle. I'm there a lot, and would move there in a flash.
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pikeyboy
1,795 posts
83 months
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Cons - you have to speak with stupid americans...
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Maxf
7,056 posts
110 months
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pikeyboy said: Cons - you have to speak with stupid americans... I've met very few truly stupid Americans. Although I generally hang around with those who read books and own passports. Some of the most enlightend people I've met have been American. Customer service is second to none. Ok, some of it is contrived, but they make UK shop/restaurant staff appear very miserable.
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Mazdarese
16,970 posts
56 months
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I would move to California in a shot if I could get a Visa. Great country, I love it.
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Captain Cadillac
2,722 posts
56 months
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That's like asking how long a piece of string is...
Comparing Los Angeles to Dallas to Nashville to Seattle to New York City to Atlanta to Wichita to Miami to Boston to Oklahoma City to Birmingham?
They might as well be different countries.
There isn't this huge social benefit safety net that you have in the UK. OTOH, our taxes are a fraction of what you'd pay in the UK and many things are indeed cheaper as a result.
Anyone who is clever here can earn $100,000 a year. That puts you from a nice living (NYC area, Boston, California) to a very high standard of living (South, Midwest)
In some places it's become a left wing nanny state, in other places you can do damn near whatever you want. Again, depends on where you are.
The cost of living is generally lower here as is, IMO, the quality of life.. detached houses wit good sized gardens are the rule, of course, again, this depends where you want to settle.
A friend of mine bought a nice 2 bedroom house, about 1,300 square feet, 2 car garage, £1,200 a year in property taxes in a nice suburb of a major city for the equivalent of £47,500. However she did renovate it to the tune of £12,500 or so. This is in Atlanta, that same house where I live (a nice suburb of NY City in New Jersey) would run you £200,000.
Car insurance is cheaper if you're young, but you don't normally find policies for £400 a year, ever. Petrol is 40-50p a Liter. New cars are cheaper, late model used cars comparable, but there are no roadworthy cars for £500-1,000 worth owning.
Most consumer goods are a lot cheaper.
There's space, a lot of it, We're twice the size of India with a quarter the population, some western states are bigger than Britain with less than a million people in them.
What did you have in mind?
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plg
4,106 posts
79 months
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Maxf said: pikeyboy said: Cons - you have to speak with stupid americans... I've met very few truly stupid Americans. Although I generally hang around with those who read books and own passports. Some of the most enlightend people I've met have been American. Customer service is second to none. Ok, some of it is contrived, but they make UK shop/restaurant staff appear very miserable. Agree 100%. My take is that as a culture they are insular, blinkered and ill-informed. As individuals, I've found them to be polite, friendly, engaging, very hospitable, and very kind. And quite well read / informed about US history, politics, etc Customer service, lack of a class system (it's all money based), and generally pro-British - and curious about the UK and our culture. It's when you watch their news and media you realise why they lack a world view... Oh, and the language barrier.
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pikeyboy
1,795 posts
83 months
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Maxf said: pikeyboy said: Cons - you have to speak with stupid americans... I've met very few truly stupid Americans. Although I generally hang around with those who read books and own passports. Some of the most enlightend people I've met have been American. Customer service is second to none. Ok, some of it is contrived, but they make UK shop/restaurant staff appear very miserable. OK, so why do they need to put the time and date etc on TV show's for example. Not only that but they cant even adopt the metirc system and pronounce english words in a half baked way.
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Jag-D
Original Poster
19,565 posts
88 months
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plg said: What do you want to achieve? Tell us more... Well I'm a professional photographer so if I could utilise that it would save a lot of stress I'm not thinking about huge cities or anything and actually prefer the idea of more dry state/rural areas, but again it's all down to the pros and cons of such pikeyboy said: Cons - you have to speak with stupid americans... As someone who had a lot of friends in America in the strongman scene especially, I dare say that I've yet to converse with a "stupid" american in the literal sense. As has already been stated, I generally find thhose I speak with to be highly educated and fairly enlightened.
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plg
4,106 posts
79 months
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pikeyboy said: OK, so why do they need to put the time and date etc on TV show's for example. Not only that but they cant even adopt the metirc system and pronounce english words in a half baked way. And we have done such a good job with adopting the metric system. Can I buy you a pint? How's the MPG of your car? (sorry, I meant a half litre of beer and litres/100km) Interestingly, their use of English grammar is stricter than ours in some ways - just treat US English as a branch of English that diversified 150 years ago, and that the two are similar, but different, and you'll find the view from your high horse more bearable.
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Jag-D
Original Poster
19,565 posts
88 months
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plg said: Interestingly, their use of English grammar is stricter than ours in some ways - just treat US English as a branch of English that diversified 150 years ago, and that the two are similar, but different, and you'll find the view from your high horse more bearable.  
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plg
4,106 posts
79 months
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Jag-D said: plg said: What do you want to achieve? Tell us more... Well I'm a professional photographer so if I could utilise that it would save a lot of stress You'll find the barriers to setting up a new business very low in the US. Plenty of guidance available. Owner/operated businesses I found were more highly regarded there - a strong work ethic of setting up on your own with low taxes and a system geared towards small businesses (at least compared to the UK). Your biggest challenge would be the visa and a sponsor.
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Sour Kraut
34,924 posts
58 months
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OllieWinchester said: The food. Yep. And the fact that Americans live there is another downside too.
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Stu R
19,528 posts
84 months
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It's like saying 'relocating to Europe' - there's lots good and bad bits depending where you pick. My reasons for moving to the US basically centre around quality of life, cost of living, income and being able to do more things I enjoy. All of which are far higher / easier / more abundant for me over there. Plus I'm looking forward to getting out of the UK, the more I see of other places, the more I wonder WTF I'm doing here, it's gash. Come along to the Midwest Scotteth, you'd love it 
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Maxf
7,056 posts
110 months
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Some observations from my time spent over in Seattle... just some thoughts: Cost of living: Big ticket items seem to either be much cheaper, or comparable with the UK. Cars are generally cheaper, as are electric/white goods. Restaurants aren't significantly cheaper than in the UK. A nice, but normal, meal would run to $60 a head with some wine. Drinking in bars is cheaper than London. But bars aren't 'bars' (generally) - they are restaurants with bars. Finding an actual bar to meet people and drink in isn't the easiest task. Food shopping seems broadly comparable with UK prices. I live in London and the supermarkets seems comparable with Waitrose in terms of pricing. Working: $100k per year seems to be the benchmark salary and is considered 'excellent'. I can't believe it goes that far, but everybody seems to say "I could do that - I bet I could make $100k..." You get no holiday entitlement in your first year of employment! f  k that! Even when you've earned your entitlement, it will be much lower than in the UK. Other stuff: Understand the 'dating' scene before you dive in, or you may end up very frustrated! It's a minefield - although an English accent and a little chatter and some comedy (you can recycle old jokes to your heart's content) is like having a f  king superpower.
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