Gun Pawn - Warning - Lots of Pictures - as requested
Discussion
aeropilot said:
ceebmoj said:
ErnestM said:
Florida is not an open carry State... Yet... (Hard to hide a 1911A1 Govt in clothing made for the Florida heat)
Another question for people, open carry I assume means in a holster or gun bag? However how hidden is required I presume this means the gun is not visible and that no visible gun shape can be seen? But full pockets or sock in the trousers is OK? As opposed to concealed carry, which will be non-visible in holster (hip, ankle, shoulder or whatever) and hidden under jacket, shirt etc.
ceebmoj said:
I have learnt allot from this thread and it has change a number of my per-conceptions about gun laws in the US. I had assumed that it was a free for all, buy a gun and wonder around with it. However on further that is not so even in the state that have more relaxed gun laws. The only thing that I still find a bit strange is that the bar to entry appears to be about cost of the gun and clear record. Having said that I cant think of any better method.
So what are people thoughts on restrictions on what weapons civilians can buy? should it be a free for all or are there restriction you would like to see in place, on caliber, fully automatic, size or anything else for that matter?
Me, personally - the only changes that I would make on a Federal or State levelSo what are people thoughts on restrictions on what weapons civilians can buy? should it be a free for all or are there restriction you would like to see in place, on caliber, fully automatic, size or anything else for that matter?
Fed
- Get rid of the full auto ban. Once the novelty wears off and the ammo price sinks in, people won't shoot in full auto anyway.
- Make suppressors as easy to buy as a holster. Why license a hearing safety device?
- Don't restrict imports if similar weapons are legal to make and sell in the US (Helps with pricing)
- Get rid of any "waiting period". If you pass the NICS, you should be good to go.
- Get rid of expensive SBR licensing. If you want a less accurate version of a carbine you should be allowed to buy/make one.
- Reciprocity between States for carry licenses just like driver's licenses
State
- Unlicensed open carry (AKA "Constitutional Carry" - like they have in Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, etc) Criminals don't open carry. They conceal their firearms. Florida used to have this about 25 or so years ago. No "blood in the streets" or gunfights, etc.
Other than that, I think things are pretty good. I am not opposed to licensing requirements for concealed carry. I don't think open carry should be licensed due to that fact that it's obvious that the firearm is there.
All just MHO
zakelwe said:
Well after all these pages of Wild West Homer Simson Nacho Nacho Man type posts just to inflate peni everywhere with some gun metal gay, sorry gray, can anyone in the USA recommend me a gun?
I'd like something that would take out Kent County council for a start. Those mofo's are worse than Osama, at least he burnt his old rubbish, Kent and Sevenoaks don't take mine out. I'd like to liquidate them with extreme "Vim" or "elbow grease" as is the Britsh way. I don't want to kill ladies though like the US Navy Seals do at the drop of the hat, Linda Norgrove one day, who knows the next day.
Say that last sentence in the way of Ben Elton
Getting a bit political there ...
As I was saying, I need a nice 2nd amendment type firearm to sort my local council out. Either blunderbuss of flintlock rifle. Any recommendations?
Andy
Your application is denied.I'd like something that would take out Kent County council for a start. Those mofo's are worse than Osama, at least he burnt his old rubbish, Kent and Sevenoaks don't take mine out. I'd like to liquidate them with extreme "Vim" or "elbow grease" as is the Britsh way. I don't want to kill ladies though like the US Navy Seals do at the drop of the hat, Linda Norgrove one day, who knows the next day.
Say that last sentence in the way of Ben Elton
Getting a bit political there ...
As I was saying, I need a nice 2nd amendment type firearm to sort my local council out. Either blunderbuss of flintlock rifle. Any recommendations?
Andy
pokethepope said:
ErnestM said:
Some States have "printing" laws as well regarding concealed carry. In other words, people aren't allowed to conceal if the outline of the gun can be seen when concealed.
What is the issue/concern with a concealed weapon showing?I think it stems from the uninformed or anti-gun crowd viewing them as animated, blood soaked entities with lives of their own...
"ZOMG a gun, run away"
People fear what they do not understand I guess...
Ewan S said:
In the same way it's always a bit odd seeing armed police at our airports. But sadly in florida with the number of people that go there from the uk for holidays it's probably best to keep them concealed as otherwise they'll be shouts of "omg he's got a gun!" from all the tourists.
I say......arm the tourists too!
"Welcome to the United States. Would you prefer a nice plastic pistol while you enjoy your stay or are you a true believer and disciple of the holy John Moses Browning (PBUH)..."
for a moment i thought you were a gun nut 
Saddle bum said:
I'd be tempted to sell my soul to the Devil for just another hour with a 1911A1. It was a while ago...........
this might interest you, then...http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/features.html
...that's right. For the first time in, well, EVER, Ruger have a 1911 and it's quite a firearm as well. Check out all of the extras. Other 1911's in that spec range go for over a grand. This one is $799 MSRP so that means about $650 street.
...Oh yes, and unlike virtually every other 1911 out there, EVERY part on the gun is made in the US and about 90% in Ruger's own foundry/factory/cnc shop.
pokethepope said:
ErnestM said:
Early days. Next gun show on the 15th. I have a list.
Is that a more 'local' one? I've seen pictures of the big Vegas gunshow, i'd love to see some of a more ordinary gun show, do you think you could take some pics for us poor Brits to drool over? 
...Think Bakaara Market...
...but for rednecks, bikers, yuppies, mall ninjas and law enforcement types.
Saddle bum said:
ErnestM said:
this might interest you, then...
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/features.html
...that's right. For the first time in, well, EVER, Ruger have a 1911 and it's quite a firearm as well. Check out all of the extras. Other 1911's in that spec range go for over a grand. This one is $799 MSRP so that means about $650 street.
...Oh yes, and unlike virtually every other 1911 out there, EVERY part on the gun is made in the US and about 90% in Ruger's own foundry/factory/cnc shop.
But I live in the Peoples Democratik Republik of GB!http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/features.html
...that's right. For the first time in, well, EVER, Ruger have a 1911 and it's quite a firearm as well. Check out all of the extras. Other 1911's in that spec range go for over a grand. This one is $799 MSRP so that means about $650 street.
...Oh yes, and unlike virtually every other 1911 out there, EVERY part on the gun is made in the US and about 90% in Ruger's own foundry/factory/cnc shop.
Petrolhead_Rich said:
johnbaz said:
(obviously it's a BSA .22 air rifle, any further in depth information would be appreciated!)
http://trevormorrisairguns.synthasite.com/bsa-stan...
JonRB said:
I wants pics of the MP7!
MP7 not sold to civilians in the US. It is a full auto only weapon made after 1986 (the cutoff for full auto weapons) and there is no sa carbine version.The reason why we can get arms like the PS-90 and some mac-11 type clones is because they are classed as semi-auto carbines or pistols. We can even get the semi-auto "pistol" (doesn't have a stock) version of the MP9
Full auto arms normally have only one or two tables at the gun shows (out of about 100-150 tables)
Tech note - sorry pictures were unavailable on page 1 until recently. Since Florida is the "power surge" capital of the world, we experienced one that took out my firewall. I am limping along on an old firewall right now until my shiny new one arrives tomorrow on the brown truck of happiness...
Right,
Went to the show today. Forgot my camera. Just as well as the pickings were slimmer than normal.
The big local show will be in July anyway. That's when most of the new stuff (introduced at SHOT, etc) hits the floor.
I did, however, manage to scratch one off my list. Picked up a rather tasty FN PS90. Got them to swap out the 30 round mag for a 50 round mag as well for no extra cost. It was the tri-rail version so I need to find a good reflex sight for it. I also managed to pick up some 5.7x28 SS192 ammo (the hollow point variant) which is fairly unobtainable at the moment. I've got well over 1000 rounds of the regular stuff but the 150 or so HP rounds that I picked up today will make a good defensive load, especially in the PS90 (as opposed to the FiveseveN that has a lower muzzle velocity). Pictures will follow soon...
Went to the show today. Forgot my camera. Just as well as the pickings were slimmer than normal.
The big local show will be in July anyway. That's when most of the new stuff (introduced at SHOT, etc) hits the floor.
I did, however, manage to scratch one off my list. Picked up a rather tasty FN PS90. Got them to swap out the 30 round mag for a 50 round mag as well for no extra cost. It was the tri-rail version so I need to find a good reflex sight for it. I also managed to pick up some 5.7x28 SS192 ammo (the hollow point variant) which is fairly unobtainable at the moment. I've got well over 1000 rounds of the regular stuff but the 150 or so HP rounds that I picked up today will make a good defensive load, especially in the PS90 (as opposed to the FiveseveN that has a lower muzzle velocity). Pictures will follow soon...
Symbolica said:
Dan_The_Man said:
You could start a small war with all that!ceebmoj said:
I take it there is a best before date for ammunition? If not why is there military surplus ammunition?
As long as it is stored correctly (which most military stuff is) the shelf life is quite long.A lot of surplus happens when militaries introduce a "new and improved" round, etc. and they dump a lot of their old stuff. For instance, the US Army has just adopted a new "green" cartridge (dubbed the M855A1) thus making a lot of regular M855 stuff "surplus". I can't wait for that to hit the market.
Info on the new round: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56x45mm_NATO#M855A1
To be honest a lot of milsurp stuff is not the nicest looking stuff in the world, but it fires real good at the range. If you have special requirements (like my SPR), you are better to go with specialized rounds though.
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