365 days without booze... join me?

365 days without booze... join me?

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Frankeh

12,558 posts

185 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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ApexJimi said:
Apologies if this has already been covered, but how much, and of what, did you guys drink on a daily / weekly basis?
I was only really a one night a week drinker. I used to binge drink though.
It'd be half a litre of vodka before going out, probably 10+ shots and a few pints while out, then pick up another 35cl of whatever as night cap.

Unsustainable.

JFReturns

3,695 posts

171 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2012
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eek I would have puked drinking that Frankeh!

For me it was about six cans of beer Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Towards the end of last year I would sometimes drink Thursdays too so wanted to hip it in the bud.

nick_j007

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1,598 posts

202 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Smitters said:
Quite - I imagine there will have been a few moments of reality striking, as what's being described sounds awfully familiar be it the wine whilst cooking, buying-in as it's cheaper than going out and so on.

I think that the reality is there would be a lot of people who would be classified as alcoholics by an old four point method I saw on a surgery wall and the FAST method that determines hazardous levels.

I would also think you could split over-drinkers, as I shall call them, into three camps. Those who drink a lot and are in control, those who drink a lot and think they're in control and those who are plain out of control. Perceptions as to where an individual fell would probably be very different depending on the circumstance, be it themselves, family members, friends or work colleagues. Taking an interest in the volume you drink, irrespective of your weekly volume, with an aim of reduction is almost always going to be a healthy approach, physically and mentally though.
Exactly. Well said.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

185 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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JFReturns said:
eek I would have puked drinking that Frankeh!
The MDMA used to help. laugh
Off that now as well..

No smoking, no drink, no drugs. Feels good, man!

Smitters

4,003 posts

157 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Well, a whole four days in and I feel... awful. Got a bloody cold from riding home in the rain after a failed MOT. This is not how it was supposed to go. I wanted to be basking in the glow of good sleep and a nice energy-filled start to the day.

Apologies for the next bit - it wasn't supposed to be as long as it is, but it went from answering a simple question to outlining the philosophy/logic behind my decision.

In response to the question on volume, for me it really varies, but my issue was not so much volume as frequency. A few glasses of wine most nights, or maybe if we walked to the supermarket and stopped off at the local pub on the way back, a couple of pints instead (or occasionally as well!). Wine or beer with a meal out irrespective of weekend or midweek, driving not an issue as we can walk to lots of places. Come the weekend it could be a couple of pints and home for supper or if there were a few people game, we'd stay out until 11 plus in the local. Sometime a cheeky pint or two with the papers in the pub on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, and pub quiz on Sunday night. In isolation each day never seemed too bad, just an activity associated with a couple of drinks, but firstly, when you tot it up over a week, it's lots. Certainly way over the recommended unitary amounts. Then, occasionally things would combine, say a couple of pints with Sunday lunch, then meet some mates in the pub with the papers, then do the pub quiz and all of a sudden that's six pints (two at each) and come half ten I'm drunk on a school night, get a terrible night's sleep, wake up hung over and am less productive at work.

The thing that really struck me that was I was getting a poor night's sleep after a couple of pints/wine on five nights a week and this was the beginning of a cycle that went something like this:

Poor night's sleep = lower work productivity = pushed for time at work = work stress (longer hours, delayed delivery on deadlines etc) = get home a bit wound up = look forward to wine with the cooking/grabbing a pint in the pub = poor night's sleep.

Now, add in some side-effects of that cycle: Feeling tired, run down. Get ill more often or just feel under the weather. Lose motivation to go to the gym or don't have time due to extra work. Due to (a perception of?) lack of time, eat convenience food instead of taking the time to cook properly. Poorer diet adds to feeling less healthy, lack of exercise and poor diet plus booze equals weight gain and loss of fitness.

It's easy to see how you get to a stage where you have to stop and take a look at yourself, but also easy to see how the slow slide to bags under the eyes and a beer belly is undetectable. You don't just wake up one day like that, it's the product of weeks and months bad habits.

I sat down the other day and thought all this through. I figured that I needed to crack the cyclicity. I had a think about all the things in life I enjoy, cycling, going to the gym, running, hill walking, camping, cookery, being in shape and tried to work out why I didn't do as much of each as I wanted. If I wanted to get to the point where I had the drive to do all that, instead of just wanting to sit on the sofa with the reasoning that I'm tired and deserve a good sit down, what would I have to do?

The simple solution was, get a better night's sleep, and to do that, I needed to stop the drinking. Why stop entirely and not just in the week? Well, for one, as I've said, I don't do grey areas well. Plus, if I want to go walking over the weekend, I'm going to need to get up early to get to Brecon or Snowdonia. That's not compatible with a Friday night in the pub. All or nothing it had to be. In the end it came down to priorities. I was prioritising sitting on my @rse and having a glass of wine because I was tired and felt that I deserved the rest and without it, wouldn't ever have the energy to go and do the stuff I love. In reality it was sitting on my @rse that was preventing me from doing that stuff. I gradually came to thinking "What would I rather do? Who would I rather be?" Do I want to get out on the hills and enjoy the countryside, keep fit and healthy, or do I want to be that tired guy with a beer belly and stories of how I used to be fit, used to climb mountains, used to run half marathons and trail races, used to fit into a Caterham..? Or would I rather get into the Seven, drive to North Wales, do a walk and blast home on the B-Roads with a massive grin? Not a difficult decision really...

nick_j007

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1,598 posts

202 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Smitters said:
Well, a whole four days in and I feel... awful. Got a bloody cold from riding home in the rain after a failed MOT. This is not how it was supposed to go. I wanted to be basking in the glow of good sleep and a nice energy-filled start to the day.

Apologies for the next bit - it wasn't supposed to be as long as it is, but it went from answering a simple question to outlining the philosophy/logic behind my decision.

In response to the question on volume, for me it really varies, but my issue was not so much volume as frequency. A few glasses of wine most nights, or maybe if we walked to the supermarket and stopped off at the local pub on the way back, a couple of pints instead (or occasionally as well!). Wine or beer with a meal out irrespective of weekend or midweek, driving not an issue as we can walk to lots of places. Come the weekend it could be a couple of pints and home for supper or if there were a few people game, we'd stay out until 11 plus in the local. Sometime a cheeky pint or two with the papers in the pub on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, and pub quiz on Sunday night. In isolation each day never seemed too bad, just an activity associated with a couple of drinks, but firstly, when you tot it up over a week, it's lots. Certainly way over the recommended unitary amounts. Then, occasionally things would combine, say a couple of pints with Sunday lunch, then meet some mates in the pub with the papers, then do the pub quiz and all of a sudden that's six pints (two at each) and come half ten I'm drunk on a school night, get a terrible night's sleep, wake up hung over and am less productive at work.

The thing that really struck me that was I was getting a poor night's sleep after a couple of pints/wine on five nights a week and this was the beginning of a cycle that went something like this:

Poor night's sleep = lower work productivity = pushed for time at work = work stress (longer hours, delayed delivery on deadlines etc) = get home a bit wound up = look forward to wine with the cooking/grabbing a pint in the pub = poor night's sleep.

Now, add in some side-effects of that cycle: Feeling tired, run down. Get ill more often or just feel under the weather. Lose motivation to go to the gym or don't have time due to extra work. Due to (a perception of?) lack of time, eat convenience food instead of taking the time to cook properly. Poorer diet adds to feeling less healthy, lack of exercise and poor diet plus booze equals weight gain and loss of fitness.

It's easy to see how you get to a stage where you have to stop and take a look at yourself, but also easy to see how the slow slide to bags under the eyes and a beer belly is undetectable. You don't just wake up one day like that, it's the product of weeks and months bad habits.

I sat down the other day and thought all this through. I figured that I needed to crack the cyclicity. I had a think about all the things in life I enjoy, cycling, going to the gym, running, hill walking, camping, cookery, being in shape and tried to work out why I didn't do as much of each as I wanted. If I wanted to get to the point where I had the drive to do all that, instead of just wanting to sit on the sofa with the reasoning that I'm tired and deserve a good sit down, what would I have to do?

The simple solution was, get a better night's sleep, and to do that, I needed to stop the drinking. Why stop entirely and not just in the week? Well, for one, as I've said, I don't do grey areas well. Plus, if I want to go walking over the weekend, I'm going to need to get up early to get to Brecon or Snowdonia. That's not compatible with a Friday night in the pub. All or nothing it had to be. In the end it came down to priorities. I was prioritising sitting on my @rse and having a glass of wine because I was tired and felt that I deserved the rest and without it, wouldn't ever have the energy to go and do the stuff I love. In reality it was sitting on my @rse that was preventing me from doing that stuff. I gradually came to thinking "What would I rather do? Who would I rather be?" Do I want to get out on the hills and enjoy the countryside, keep fit and healthy, or do I want to be that tired guy with a beer belly and stories of how I used to be fit, used to climb mountains, used to run half marathons and trail races, used to fit into a Caterham..? Or would I rather get into the Seven, drive to North Wales, do a walk and blast home on the B-Roads with a massive grin? Not a difficult decision really...
A well crafted post that. As I read it I wondered if I had written it as it struck many, many notes with me. Quite a few others have expressed similar views since the thread started too.

Personally speaking, I added in being self employed and having a beautiful 12 yr old daughter to consider.

A few things you said re time and feeling ill....

Time is an interesting one as I have seem to have got that back in spadefuls now. I am mostly up to date and on top of my life. Very few things that I feel I am procrastinating over. This makes me feel relaxed and calm, which is a nice feeling. The fact is that an awful lot of time goes down the drain when you drink.

Feeling unwell is something that I utterly assure you will pass as you stay away from drink. Your body will readjust and sleep will normalise over time. When I first stopped drinking a couple of years back my sleep was awful and I had sweats the lot. Now my sleep is restful and quite often I awake and feel really quite good. free from aches and pains and of course hangover free. I used to get the world's worst hang overs too. When I was drinking my resistance to colds and flu etc was rubbish. I spent a lot of time with sore throats and overall pretty rough. So far since Xmas I've done well and feel pretty healthy.

This morning I dropped off the little one at school and then went for a coffee as I had a quiet morning ahead. As I walked up the high street in the morning sun I felt bloody brilliant! I wanted to smile and chat with people. I managed to contain myself though wink

There is a definite transition that takes place over the first few months. It can be very hard at first. I could have cried a few times when others were off for a drink and I just knew I had to stay away or do something different. Thankfully I'm big enough to know my own mind so just went and did something else instead. Now, I am pretty well into the swing of not drinking and feel steady and most of the time feel very well indeed. Able to cope with anything that could come along I'd say, be it professionally or personally.

Weekends are always the hardest, so aim to do things that will occupy you in a healthier more productive way. Sounds like you have a lot of interests like me. Outdoors and cars. I'm working up to some cycle touring this year and am bringing bike and body to the point where I can go off self sufficient for a weekend or two. Used to do that back in the day.

Maybe break it down into the first 4 weeks, and then go month by month with the odd check in here smile PM me if it helps. I am definitely doing 365 days, and I sincerely hope I can put my hand on heart after that long and say 'It's cool, it's ok, I don't need or even really want a drink'.

Stick with it and get the lemsips in smile

Nick

Smitters

4,003 posts

157 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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Cheers for reading through all that Nick.

Though I like the audacity of your stated aim of 365, I'm going for a month, then reassessing. If I do one, can I do three, etc. I said I'd kick the ciggies at 20 and got rid aged 21. I said (in my 20's) I'd kick the booze at thirty and I'm currently 31, so you see my thinking! It's just a lot more socially ingrained in me to have a pint than to have a cigarette ever was.

I'll certainly keep things updated here though. I'm most accountable to myself, of course, but there's a certain level of commitment derived from knowing I'm keeping track of things on here and I don't really want to do the whole "well, I was doing really well and then...England beat Wales in the 6 Nations so I had a pint to celebrate".

A swig of cough syrup and off for a gentle gym session!

NAS

2,543 posts

231 months

Thursday 23rd February 2012
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I'm giving drink up for lent (and I'm not even religious)

Basically, we're doing it with a few running friends because we're all ex-pats, single and party animals. (ie. all drink WAY too much for people in their early 30s)

It will help us with our training as well, but mainly it's to see if we can even do it. I've slowed down a *tad* since last year already but still : I'll drink most nights (2-3 beers) and am drunk at least once a week.

I've a few big hurdles in the path, one being a 5 day company event starting this Sunday. Sticking to non-alcoholic drinks will be met with some very weird looks, I know this already.....

Smitters

4,003 posts

157 months

Friday 24th February 2012
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Well - post work trip to the pub. Two lime and sodas on a Friday night. First temptation overcome. Now, how to get through my group of mates plan of "go and have a late breakfast, then head to the pub for the rugby."...

Hmmm

nick_j007

Original Poster:

1,598 posts

202 months

Friday 24th February 2012
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Smitters said:
Well - post work trip to the pub. Two lime and sodas on a Friday night. First temptation overcome. Now, how to get through my group of mates plan of "go and have a late breakfast, then head to the pub for the rugby."...

Hmmm
Be strong. Lol. Good luck.

Smitters

4,003 posts

157 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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Thanks! Six and a half hours of rugby and banter and not a drop. I really do appreciate my mates for not putting the squeeze on. I'd say if I can do that, I'm looking good.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

185 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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.... Whoops. That escalated quickly! Nursing a hangover to remind me why I don't drink.

Funk

26,274 posts

209 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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It really is staggering how much you can save. When I go out now, I have either sparkling water with ice and lime or still if they don't have sparkling (the social club I was at last night didn't have sparkling OR slices of lime "...it's not that kind of place.." apparently!) so I was on ice-water - 30p a pint! biggrin

I used to spend about £50 a month on tobacco (I'd go through a couple of 25g pouches a week) and probably the same on alcohol. £1,200 a year saving straight away.

Lostprophet

2,549 posts

169 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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nick_j007 said:
Hi all.

Starting today I am going to go 365 days without booze. Why one year and why at all?

Good question. Whilst not an alcoholic I definitely drink too much and it's having health affects with weight, sleep, tiredness, enthusiasm, moods - you get the picture.

I have been on this part of the forum before talking about drinking and getting involved with others that have raised similar issues. Why tell everyone about what I'm doing? I'm not entirely sure lol, but I would like to encourage some fresh dialogue about drink and I'm sure others are out there that may struggle with it in a similar way. Not alcoholic, but knowing it's a growing issue in day to day life and how it affects your performance and enjoyment of life and the opportunities before you. I know I can do this but would appreciate a bit of communication here.

IIRC I have had 2 long periods without drinking in the last three years, and both lasted about 10 months. The last time I thought I had made it for good, but got to about 11 months went for a curry one night and just thought 'why not'? That night I had 2 pints and went home a happy boy. Since then I've put the three stone I lost back on and am squarely back at the beginning in that respect. How depressing. I simply cannot carry on like this. I could list a load of other issues that are drink related, but don't want this to be some weird, needy public self-exploitation. I am however quite open about drink and the way it can affect my life. I am I believe a normal bloke.

I am really keen to make it to the 1 year mark. Part of me feels that if I can make it for one whole year I can then build that up year on year.

Alcohol forms a large part of my life. ANY social situation I would drink. All my friends drink, all my family drink, my OH drinks. We both work hard and feel the pressure. The drink has become an all too often way of escape and recreation.

So there it is. I have been toying with the idea on and off for some time. Little did I know I would wake up this morning with my mind made up already...that WAS weird. Also, the first song I heard on BBC R2 as I awoke was by 'New Order'.

I am happy to set off on this journey alone. If anyone has been looking for a good reason to stop and likes the idea of this one...why not join me?

Nick
I ain't drank alcohol in 6 years... I'll join your gang!

Smitters

4,003 posts

157 months

Monday 27th February 2012
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Once week in:

Started 83.2kg
Now 82.6kg

Circa £80 saved eek

Tested myself with a Friday night in the pub and all day Saturday watching the rugby. Feel proud that I didn't succumb to temptation. I've banked that feeling and will call on it at a later date no doubt!

nick_j007

Original Poster:

1,598 posts

202 months

Monday 27th February 2012
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Lostprophet said:
I ain't drank alcohol in 6 years... I'll join your gang!
You get a gold badge upon entering my man!

Why did you stop?

Nick

nick_j007

Original Poster:

1,598 posts

202 months

Monday 27th February 2012
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Smitters said:
Once week in:

Started 83.2kg
Now 82.6kg

Circa £80 saved eek

Tested myself with a Friday night in the pub and all day Saturday watching the rugby. Feel proud that I didn't succumb to temptation. I've banked that feeling and will call on it at a later date no doubt!
That is good. Well done. I've been losing 2lb per week on average since stopping. I'm rediscovering some nice old jeans!

Nick

Smitters

4,003 posts

157 months

Monday 27th February 2012
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nick_j007 said:
That is good. Well done. I've been losing 2lb per week on average since stopping. I'm rediscovering some nice old jeans!

Nick
Cheers Nick. I'm hoping to do likewise, though my first every suit which I found the other day, with its 38" chest and 28" waist may have to remain under wraps!

I've been hogging this a bit, so apologies to all.

How are the other folk doing? Share the success!

nick_j007

Original Poster:

1,598 posts

202 months

Monday 27th February 2012
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Smitters said:
nick_j007 said:
That is good. Well done. I've been losing 2lb per week on average since stopping. I'm rediscovering some nice old jeans!

Nick
Cheers Nick. I'm hoping to do likewise, though my first every suit which I found the other day, with its 38" chest and 28" waist may have to remain under wraps!

I've been hogging this a bit, so apologies to all.

How are the other folk doing? Share the success!
They may be out getting pissed? You're not hogging it...rather keeping it going.

Thanks.

Gene Simmons

2,653 posts

210 months

Monday 27th February 2012
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Only time I've had a beer since new year was a few pints for my birthday in jan. Nothing before or since. That includes a family birthday with everyone drinking, and a back to back christening, also a very boozy event. I've had nights out drinking water, and nights in drinking tea. I've detailed my previous drinking habits earlier in the thread, so I think on balance I've done pretty bloody well!! smile