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crazy about cars said:
Anyone here experience constant negative thoughts/feelings, easy to succumb to anxiety, dont like socialising (although dying for a soulmate) and seemingly on a path of self destruct by pissing off those who really care about you?
Sounds very familiar, I don't have any solutions though sadly.crazy about cars said:
Anyone here experience constant negative thoughts/feelings, easy to succumb to anxiety, dont like socialising (although dying for a soulmate) and seemingly on a path of self destruct by pissing off those who really care about you?
Yes, a few years ago. One of the things I did was let my mind run to those places and let it work through the fears that came from those places. I found it much easier to do that, than spend a lifetime running from the negative feelings surrounding what I was feeling.
It's not easy, but next time your mind runs to a place dark and gloomy, have a look around at what's there. Ask yourself what's really going on - and I say this because often it's not the obvious or the first thing that comes to mind, that's the real issue. So, pause, reflect and let your mind explore the place that hurts. You'll more than likely surprise yourself with what you'll find there. When you explore more, you'll also find yourself finding the logical side of your mind will start to address your fears. Good luck, keep exploring
One of my closest mates has had depression since he was in his late teens and even when he was in the army so now for 20+years.
He's now on 4 different psych meds. Mirtazapine, Venlafaxine, Olanzapine and Pregabalin.
The Olanzapine is an anti-psychotic and when he forgets to take it he goes well er... a bit psychotic. His neighbour always phones the police who've been through this before (I figure she got tired of phoning me although I was cool with it) and as his CPN is also a Special Constable he has notified the regular police not to take him to the cells but to call an ambulance. Now this has happened 3 times in the last 2 weeks alone.
His psychiatrist wants him to stay on it however but he's been on it for 3 years and he's no better than he was. His psych doesn't get the phone calls I get however nor the police ringing/banging on the door at 3am to ask if I can look after him after he's been released by the doctors, I stay close to the hospital.
The other 3 meds I understand but I feel he should come off the Olanzapine and not just because of the phone calls etc. He's worse now than before. I think they put him on it because he had some auditory loop thing going on.
Anyone agree/disagree?
He's now on 4 different psych meds. Mirtazapine, Venlafaxine, Olanzapine and Pregabalin.
The Olanzapine is an anti-psychotic and when he forgets to take it he goes well er... a bit psychotic. His neighbour always phones the police who've been through this before (I figure she got tired of phoning me although I was cool with it) and as his CPN is also a Special Constable he has notified the regular police not to take him to the cells but to call an ambulance. Now this has happened 3 times in the last 2 weeks alone.
His psychiatrist wants him to stay on it however but he's been on it for 3 years and he's no better than he was. His psych doesn't get the phone calls I get however nor the police ringing/banging on the door at 3am to ask if I can look after him after he's been released by the doctors, I stay close to the hospital.
The other 3 meds I understand but I feel he should come off the Olanzapine and not just because of the phone calls etc. He's worse now than before. I think they put him on it because he had some auditory loop thing going on.
Anyone agree/disagree?
crazy about cars said:
Anyone here experience constant negative thoughts/feelings, easy to succumb to anxiety, dont like socialising (although dying for a soulmate) and seemingly on a path of self destruct by pissing off those who really care about you?
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Hilts said:
One of my closest mates has had depression since he was in his late teens and even when he was in the army so now for 20+years.
He's now on 4 different psych meds. Mirtazapine, Venlafaxine, Olanzapine and Pregabalin.
The Olanzapine is an anti-psychotic and when he forgets to take it he goes well er... a bit psychotic. His neighbour always phones the police who've been through this before (I figure she got tired of phoning me although I was cool with it) and as his CPN is also a Special Constable he has notified the regular police not to take him to the cells but to call an ambulance. Now this has happened 3 times in the last 2 weeks alone.
His psychiatrist wants him to stay on it however but he's been on it for 3 years and he's no better than he was. His psych doesn't get the phone calls I get however nor the police ringing/banging on the door at 3am to ask if I can look after him after he's been released by the doctors, I stay close to the hospital.
The other 3 meds I understand but I feel he should come off the Olanzapine and not just because of the phone calls etc. He's worse now than before. I think they put him on it because he had some auditory loop thing going on.
Anyone agree/disagree?
Does he only suffer with depression? Has he been under section before?He's now on 4 different psych meds. Mirtazapine, Venlafaxine, Olanzapine and Pregabalin.
The Olanzapine is an anti-psychotic and when he forgets to take it he goes well er... a bit psychotic. His neighbour always phones the police who've been through this before (I figure she got tired of phoning me although I was cool with it) and as his CPN is also a Special Constable he has notified the regular police not to take him to the cells but to call an ambulance. Now this has happened 3 times in the last 2 weeks alone.
His psychiatrist wants him to stay on it however but he's been on it for 3 years and he's no better than he was. His psych doesn't get the phone calls I get however nor the police ringing/banging on the door at 3am to ask if I can look after him after he's been released by the doctors, I stay close to the hospital.
The other 3 meds I understand but I feel he should come off the Olanzapine and not just because of the phone calls etc. He's worse now than before. I think they put him on it because he had some auditory loop thing going on.
Anyone agree/disagree?
I spoke with my mate today, he's not really feeling that great. He rates his mood as a 5/10 which is not as low as it has been. Even with all these medications should he not be feeling a little better?
Is there anything I should be doing to help? we laughed at my father's depression cure...just go for a walk every morning. Well, we can laugh but it might do more good than at least one of these 4 psych meds.
Is there anything I should be doing to help? we laughed at my father's depression cure...just go for a walk every morning. Well, we can laugh but it might do more good than at least one of these 4 psych meds.
Hilts said:
I spoke with my mate today, he's not really feeling that great. He rates his mood as a 5/10 which is not as low as it has been. Even with all these medications should he not be feeling a little better?
Is there anything I should be doing to help? we laughed at my father's depression cure...just go for a walk every morning. Well, we can laugh but it might do more good than at least one of these 4 psych meds.
Why not give it a go? Do you think he'll go out for a walk with you? Perhaps lengthy and in the Countryside.Is there anything I should be doing to help? we laughed at my father's depression cure...just go for a walk every morning. Well, we can laugh but it might do more good than at least one of these 4 psych meds.
227bhp said:
Why not give it a go? Do you think he'll go out for a walk with you? Perhaps lengthy and in the Countryside.
Well, I stayed with him for a bit and he would sometimes go. However any regular thing was out as was going to the pub, he does walk to the shop everyday. Running is out, he was medically discharged from the army after operations on his legs. Not shin splints but something similar caused by running with weight.When the cops took him back here at 3am I expected him to have a cup of tea or whatever and crash out but he was in the door 5 minutes and asked me to take him home.
He lives 30 minutes away from me, more depending on traffic, so any regular morning walks together are out.
Hilts said:
227bhp said:
Why not give it a go? Do you think he'll go out for a walk with you? Perhaps lengthy and in the Countryside.
Well, I stayed with him for a bit and he would sometimes go. However any regular thing was out as was going to the pub, he does walk to the shop everyday. Running is out, he was medically discharged from the army after operations on his legs. Not shin splints but something similar caused by running with weight.When the cops took him back here at 3am I expected him to have a cup of tea or whatever and crash out but he was in the door 5 minutes and asked me to take him home.
He lives 30 minutes away from me, more depending on traffic, so any regular morning walks together are out.
I got to thinking sometime ago about what it is that we get out of such things when we are suffering from depression. ADs dull us and flatline - no peaks or troughs*, but I think we need highs and lows or black and white to make us appreciate what each has to offer and feel more alive, let me try and explain it better: If you go for a walk in Winter you get to feel the cold and if you walk long enough it makes you ache a bit and get tired, on returning home you get the opposite sensations as you hit the warmth (maybe take a long hot bath), get warm, rest your bones and reflect. I often don't want to go out and maybe socialise, but getting back to the quiet house and realising that it wasn't that bad afterall is the opposite and it is this that makes me feel better, although i'm cautious to suggest, it is a bit Yin & Yang. Exerting yourself also helps the sleep too of course.
- I read some time ago that we take so many ADs these days it gets into the sewerage system and the birds (namely Starlings) drink it at the sewerage plants, they have been observed sitting around listlessly doing nothing all day. It's difficult to break this cycle, but when you do it can feel better.
Edited by 227bhp on Saturday 2nd July 00:43
Thanks for the help, he has 2 garden sheds that are BER and full of junk so I'll maybe try and get us working on that as a small project. He has a lot of inertia though so I need to catch him at the right point.
Incidentally he's been signed off work now for nearly 2 years on something like 50-60% pay. He's in constant contact with his work and their HR/psych team, it's a very large company. How long could this go on for?
Incidentally he's been signed off work now for nearly 2 years on something like 50-60% pay. He's in constant contact with his work and their HR/psych team, it's a very large company. How long could this go on for?
So, dipping my toe into this thread...
I've been suffering with depression and really bad anxiety for about 5 months - since my marriage fell apart.
I'm in a job which is very much stiff upper lip, and word such as depression carry a hell of a stigma, so just got my head down and soldiered on.
It's been hell. No two ways about it. Surviving on a few hours disturbed sleep, palpitations, a complete lack of concentration and ability to focus on anything.
I've also lost about 16lbs, which bearing in mind I was only 11st4 to start with is not good.
So, I finally caved and went to my GP. This was a massive step for me, as doing this is an admission that there is actually something wrong.
Anyway, I walked away with prescription for 50mg of Sertraline once a day. Started taking it on Wednesday.
All I can say is Jesus Christ. The doc told me I'd feel worse before I felt better, but I didn't expect this. Massive anxiety, permanently on the verge of tears, shaking, complete inability to sleep, and really irrational thoughts. Thoughts about giving up on everything and just leaving.
I've done a bit of googling and going straight on to 50mg seems unusual, most people start on 25mg due to the nasty initial side effects. It's so tempting to stop taking them as this is all so much worse than I was feeling before I took the bloody things.
Any one else been through similar with Sertraline? Please tell me it gets better.
I've been suffering with depression and really bad anxiety for about 5 months - since my marriage fell apart.
I'm in a job which is very much stiff upper lip, and word such as depression carry a hell of a stigma, so just got my head down and soldiered on.
It's been hell. No two ways about it. Surviving on a few hours disturbed sleep, palpitations, a complete lack of concentration and ability to focus on anything.
I've also lost about 16lbs, which bearing in mind I was only 11st4 to start with is not good.
So, I finally caved and went to my GP. This was a massive step for me, as doing this is an admission that there is actually something wrong.
Anyway, I walked away with prescription for 50mg of Sertraline once a day. Started taking it on Wednesday.
All I can say is Jesus Christ. The doc told me I'd feel worse before I felt better, but I didn't expect this. Massive anxiety, permanently on the verge of tears, shaking, complete inability to sleep, and really irrational thoughts. Thoughts about giving up on everything and just leaving.
I've done a bit of googling and going straight on to 50mg seems unusual, most people start on 25mg due to the nasty initial side effects. It's so tempting to stop taking them as this is all so much worse than I was feeling before I took the bloody things.
Any one else been through similar with Sertraline? Please tell me it gets better.
wiliferus said:
So, dipping my toe into this thread...
I've been suffering with depression and really bad anxiety for about 5 months - since my marriage fell apart.
I'm in a job which is very much stiff upper lip, and word such as depression carry a hell of a stigma, so just got my head down and soldiered on.
It's been hell. No two ways about it. Surviving on a few hours disturbed sleep, palpitations, a complete lack of concentration and ability to focus on anything.
I've also lost about 16lbs, which bearing in mind I was only 11st4 to start with is not good.
So, I finally caved and went to my GP. This was a massive step for me, as doing this is an admission that there is actually something wrong.
Anyway, I walked away with prescription for 50mg of Sertraline once a day. Started taking it on Wednesday.
All I can say is Jesus Christ. The doc told me I'd feel worse before I felt better, but I didn't expect this. Massive anxiety, permanently on the verge of tears, shaking, complete inability to sleep, and really irrational thoughts. Thoughts about giving up on everything and just leaving.
I've done a bit of googling and going straight on to 50mg seems unusual, most people start on 25mg due to the nasty initial side effects. It's so tempting to stop taking them as this is all so much worse than I was feeling before I took the bloody things.
Any one else been through similar with Sertraline? Please tell me it gets better.
Does not sound right to me, buddy. Never been through what you have but why not half a pill and start yourself at 25mg, seems a common sense thing to do.I've been suffering with depression and really bad anxiety for about 5 months - since my marriage fell apart.
I'm in a job which is very much stiff upper lip, and word such as depression carry a hell of a stigma, so just got my head down and soldiered on.
It's been hell. No two ways about it. Surviving on a few hours disturbed sleep, palpitations, a complete lack of concentration and ability to focus on anything.
I've also lost about 16lbs, which bearing in mind I was only 11st4 to start with is not good.
So, I finally caved and went to my GP. This was a massive step for me, as doing this is an admission that there is actually something wrong.
Anyway, I walked away with prescription for 50mg of Sertraline once a day. Started taking it on Wednesday.
All I can say is Jesus Christ. The doc told me I'd feel worse before I felt better, but I didn't expect this. Massive anxiety, permanently on the verge of tears, shaking, complete inability to sleep, and really irrational thoughts. Thoughts about giving up on everything and just leaving.
I've done a bit of googling and going straight on to 50mg seems unusual, most people start on 25mg due to the nasty initial side effects. It's so tempting to stop taking them as this is all so much worse than I was feeling before I took the bloody things.
Any one else been through similar with Sertraline? Please tell me it gets better.
Make sure you get out and get plenty of fresh air via walking. This drum has been beaten so many times regarding exercise, but it really is the best prescription.
All the very best.
wiliferus said:
So, dipping my toe into this thread...
I've been suffering with depression and really bad anxiety for about 5 months - since my marriage fell apart.
I'm in a job which is very much stiff upper lip, and word such as depression carry a hell of a stigma, so just got my head down and soldiered on.
It's been hell. No two ways about it. Surviving on a few hours disturbed sleep, palpitations, a complete lack of concentration and ability to focus on anything.
I've also lost about 16lbs, which bearing in mind I was only 11st4 to start with is not good.
So, I finally caved and went to my GP. This was a massive step for me, as doing this is an admission that there is actually something wrong.
Anyway, I walked away with prescription for 50mg of Sertraline once a day. Started taking it on Wednesday.
All I can say is Jesus Christ. The doc told me I'd feel worse before I felt better, but I didn't expect this. Massive anxiety, permanently on the verge of tears, shaking, complete inability to sleep, and really irrational thoughts. Thoughts about giving up on everything and just leaving.
I've done a bit of googling and going straight on to 50mg seems unusual, most people start on 25mg due to the nasty initial side effects. It's so tempting to stop taking them as this is all so much worse than I was feeling before I took the bloody things.
Any one else been through similar with Sertraline? Please tell me it gets better.
Well done for going to the Dr's, I started on 50 mg and after two weeks up it to 100mg. Didn't experience any significant side effects as you describe. I guess you have to find the meds that suit you. Are you seeking any counseling as a means of support to work through the ending of your relationship.I've been suffering with depression and really bad anxiety for about 5 months - since my marriage fell apart.
I'm in a job which is very much stiff upper lip, and word such as depression carry a hell of a stigma, so just got my head down and soldiered on.
It's been hell. No two ways about it. Surviving on a few hours disturbed sleep, palpitations, a complete lack of concentration and ability to focus on anything.
I've also lost about 16lbs, which bearing in mind I was only 11st4 to start with is not good.
So, I finally caved and went to my GP. This was a massive step for me, as doing this is an admission that there is actually something wrong.
Anyway, I walked away with prescription for 50mg of Sertraline once a day. Started taking it on Wednesday.
All I can say is Jesus Christ. The doc told me I'd feel worse before I felt better, but I didn't expect this. Massive anxiety, permanently on the verge of tears, shaking, complete inability to sleep, and really irrational thoughts. Thoughts about giving up on everything and just leaving.
I've done a bit of googling and going straight on to 50mg seems unusual, most people start on 25mg due to the nasty initial side effects. It's so tempting to stop taking them as this is all so much worse than I was feeling before I took the bloody things.
Any one else been through similar with Sertraline? Please tell me it gets better.
happychap said:
Well done for going to the Dr's, I started on 50 mg and after two weeks up it to 100mg. Didn't experience any significant side effects as you describe. I guess you have to find the meds that suit you. Are you seeking any counseling as a means of support to work through the ending of your relationship.
Thank you. It was a big step for me and nearly walked out of the waiting room. I'm also doing Talking Therapies but to be fair, it's pretty crap. It's nice to speak to a neutral person once a week, but can't see it changing my life.
wiliferus said:
Thank you. It was a big step for me and nearly walked out of the waiting room.
I'm also doing Talking Therapies but to be fair, it's pretty crap. It's nice to speak to a neutral person once a week, but can't see it changing my life.
Out of interest, what is it about the counseling that is crap.I'm also doing Talking Therapies but to be fair, it's pretty crap. It's nice to speak to a neutral person once a week, but can't see it changing my life.
Hilts said:
Thanks for the help, he has 2 garden sheds that are BER and full of junk so I'll maybe try and get us working on that as a small project. He has a lot of inertia though so I need to catch him at the right point.
Incidentally he's been signed off work now for nearly 2 years on something like 50-60% pay. He's in constant contact with his work and their HR/psych team, it's a very large company. How long could this go on for?
I'm going to be a bit brutal here and suggest you draw the line at Mate and recognise there's another line past that which is Care Giver. If you're not qualified enough to be a Care Giver, you'll run yourself ragged, feel like sIncidentally he's been signed off work now for nearly 2 years on something like 50-60% pay. He's in constant contact with his work and their HR/psych team, it's a very large company. How long could this go on for?
t because you cant do enough and whatever you do wont be enough. There's a distinction between looking out for someone and pretty much giving up your own needs. It's not a sudden thing, it's something that happens slowly with just an hour here, and an afternoon there. If you're aware of it, and you're willingly giving your time to do this, then fair enough. But realise, he's not going to be 'fixed' by you doing this, if that's your intentions.
I dont want to just give bad vibes and walk, so is there a support group or help group in your/his area? You could put effort into that and probably get him better resources to deal with the changes he's experiencing, and be happy to go through them with him. You might also want to research lithium as an option against olanzepine, but this i ssomething that's best discussed with a psych team (I guess he's way past GPs?)
Edited by andy-xr on Monday 4th July 09:32
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