Depression

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Jazzer

1,674 posts

204 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Hi, I'm sorry to hear what you're going through, it's not easy.

The biggest thing is what you have done.... accepting that you've had enough and asking for help.

Sertraline is not the answer, although it can form a bridge to a better place.

A good diet, elimination of booze, regular exercise and exposure to daily weather,....these are key ingredients for recovery.

Talk to others too, especially those who've experienced this.

You are human, you're having problems, BUT you will feel better in due course.

Good luck, pm me for a chat if necessary.

EL11SEG

1,849 posts

180 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Wow st day today. I have been struggling coping with things that have been said to my by work colleagues. We have a what's app chat and I've purposely removed myself today as I was reading far too much into what was being said. Managed to go about my day with a bit of calm and not checking my phone etc only to get a message from one of the women asking me why I had removed myself and I had made things worse, so I thought it best to try and get things out of my head to explain a little of what's going on. Jesus with friends like these I don't need enemies. The backlash has been unreal.

They say never work with kids or animals, well working with women can be way worse which is why I have avoided it till now.

If it was not for my daughter I would be getting off this bloody roundabout for good.

wiliferus

4,060 posts

198 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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EL11SEG said:
Wow st day today. I have been struggling coping with things that have been said to my by work colleagues. We have a what's app chat and I've purposely removed myself today as I was reading far too much into what was being said. Managed to go about my day with a bit of calm and not checking my phone etc only to get a message from one of the women asking me why I had removed myself and I had made things worse, so I thought it best to try and get things out of my head to explain a little of what's going on. Jesus with friends like these I don't need enemies. The backlash has been unreal.

They say never work with kids or animals, well working with women can be way worse which is why I have avoided it till now.

If it was not for my daughter I would be getting off this bloody roundabout for good.
Hang in there mate. Office culture can be difficult to the rational and sane wink

I'm awful at micro analysing every word said to me and running through a million scenarios in my head. It can eat you up inside, and also make you over react to very normal situations.

Just let stuff wash over you. It's easier that way!

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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EL11SEG said:
Wow st day today. I have been struggling coping with things that have been said to my by work colleagues. We have a what's app chat and I've purposely removed myself today as I was reading far too much into what was being said. Managed to go about my day with a bit of calm and not checking my phone etc only to get a message from one of the women asking me why I had removed myself and I had made things worse, so I thought it best to try and get things out of my head to explain a little of what's going on. Jesus with friends like these I don't need enemies. The backlash has been unreal.

They say never work with kids or animals, well working with women can be way worse which is why I have avoided it till now.

If it was not for my daughter I would be getting off this bloody roundabout for good.
That is something that I can relate to - It's horrible!
Sometimes the best thing you can do is to remove yourself so I think that was a good first step.
That one woman who messaged you afterwards should not really have said that, but I would ignore her and just leave it be - In group environments it can often seem like you are the one who is always the butt-end of the jokes or the one at the bottom of the food chain. That may or may not be true, but the best way to avoid that is to get out of it.

People prey on other peoples weaknesses, always have, even from a young age subconsciously, I'm not saying you are the weakest but that if people can tell you are being hurt/annoyed or know you may be reading too much into things they will do it more because people are generally s mate.

I've been feeling a bit at-ends with my friend group lately but I keep telling myself not to read into things and I just do something else lol

EL11SEG

1,849 posts

180 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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xjay1337 said:
That is something that I can relate to - It's horrible!
Sometimes the best thing you can do is to remove yourself so I think that was a good first step.
That one woman who messaged you afterwards should not really have said that, but I would ignore her and just leave it be - In group environments it can often seem like you are the one who is always the butt-end of the jokes or the one at the bottom of the food chain. That may or may not be true, but the best way to avoid that is to get out of it.

People prey on other peoples weaknesses, always have, even from a young age subconsciously, I'm not saying you are the weakest but that if people can tell you are being hurt/annoyed or know you may be reading too much into things they will do it more because people are generally s mate.

I've been feeling a bit at-ends with my friend group lately but I keep telling myself not to read into things and I just do something else lol
Cheers, I have been going through the motions of tears then anger then back to tears. I honestly thought breaking free would be the best thing for everyone esp me. I sent an open and honest email to the 6 women, first 3 to hit back did so with anger. I was shocked that all they picked up was one word out of a full 2 page essay. A lot go slung back in my face which now makes me question how/why they were my friends in the first place.

I know everyone has had crap happen in their lives but I honestly don't think I could hit back like they did to anyone.

EL11SEG

1,849 posts

180 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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wiliferus said:
Hang in there mate. Office culture can be difficult to the rational and sane wink

I'm awful at micro analysing every word said to me and running through a million scenarios in my head. It can eat you up inside, and also make you over react to very normal situations.

Just let stuff wash over you. It's easier that way!
I wish I could. I did start to think I was insane that I was the only one who's brain was going into overdrive, nice to know it's not just me.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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EL11SEG said:
Cheers, I have been going through the motions of tears then anger then back to tears. I honestly thought breaking free would be the best thing for everyone esp me. I sent an open and honest email to the 6 women, first 3 to hit back did so with anger. I was shocked that all they picked up was one word out of a full 2 page essay. A lot go slung back in my face which now makes me question how/why they were my friends in the first place.

I know everyone has had crap happen in their lives but I honestly don't think I could hit back like they did to anyone.
People can be tts.

Sometimes nice people can go too far with the banter. But it's not always possible to say "look, cmon that actually hurt me" and have it taken seriously. People just call you a little bh and carry on.

It is very frustrating when you write up a page or two or a long message about how you feel and they don't take the whole text onboard, they pick out 1 or 2 key words/sections.
Usually this is because this is what they feel they need to "defend" the most.

eric twinge

1,619 posts

222 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Well, this evening I start my 12 week course on a Depression Treatment Group, Steps to Wellbeing course run on the NHS.
This is to hopefully put a stop to my low self esteem, lack of confidence, feeling out of my depth and stress with work.
This is something that has gone for as long as I can remember and certainly over the last few six months where I have ended up in a role at work that I feel totally out of my depth in and sinking fast.
It is making me quite ill at times.
I will update this thread after each visit as it may be helpful to others and would serve as a diary of what has happened.

EL11SEG

1,849 posts

180 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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eric twinge said:
Well, this evening I start my 12 week course on a Depression Treatment Group, Steps to Wellbeing course run on the NHS.
This is to hopefully put a stop to my low self esteem, lack of confidence, feeling out of my depth and stress with work.
This is something that has gone for as long as I can remember and certainly over the last few six months where I have ended up in a role at work that I feel totally out of my depth in and sinking fast.
It is making me quite ill at times.
I will update this thread after each visit as it may be helpful to others and would serve as a diary of what has happened.
I will most certainly be interested in hearing how you get on. Nothing up here is offered via my doctors. I've currently started a mindfulness book to see how I get on.

Good luck with it tonight.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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The only thing I will say is sometimes self help is actually self harm.
Often they are only 1 persons point of view, that person being more of a faith healer than someone who has suffered depression or anxiety themselves.

I have seen the damage which Self-help / group response can in some cases cause more harm than good. Sites like Tumblr where they seem to make it out to be "normal" or even "good" to have these mental issues do not help you.

I hope I say this right but it is not "normal" to have mental illnesses. Not saying that we are not supportive of those who do but it is not something you should aim to have. Without proper discussion, therapy and sometimes drugs (prescribed), issues can be dragged up from the past at a later date or cause lots of issues later in life.

sjc

13,948 posts

270 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I can only say how I admire everyone who is posting on this thread, either with their experiences present or previous,with their advice, or offers of help. To those that feel at their lowest ebb, please keep battling, one day although it may seem far,far away,it will all be worth it.

5potTurbo

12,523 posts

168 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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eric twinge said:
Well, this evening I start my 12 week course on a Depression Treatment Group, Steps to Wellbeing course run on the NHS.
This is to hopefully put a stop to my low self esteem, lack of confidence, feeling out of my depth and stress with work.
This is something that has gone for as long as I can remember and certainly over the last few six months where I have ended up in a role at work that I feel totally out of my depth in and sinking fast.
It is making me quite ill at times.
I will update this thread after each visit as it may be helpful to others and would serve as a diary of what has happened.
Hi Eric,

From your explanation, I wonder if your issue is depression or anxiety?
I only ask as I felt very close to being completely overwhelmed at work, and I sought help from my GP, who then referred me to a psychologist. I've also had professional coaching at work, and it's helped enormously. I'm now much more positive and understanding in everything and, so far, not being overwhelmed. In January I was close to, "fk this st. I'm off!", and walking out.

eric twinge

1,619 posts

222 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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5potTurbo said:
Hi Eric,

From your explanation, I wonder if your issue is depression or anxiety?
I only ask as I felt very close to being completely overwhelmed at work, and I sought help from my GP, who then referred me to a psychologist. I've also had professional coaching at work, and it's helped enormously. I'm now much more positive and understanding in everything and, so far, not being overwhelmed. In January I was close to, "fk this st. I'm off!", and walking out.
Well, i'm not too sure, possibly a combination of both? Certainly with regards to my feelings around work, feeling utterly overwhelmed with it all, and the cyclone of thoughts that manifest out of this with regards to the end result of losing my job, house etc from a simple mis-understanding at work. I have always had, which my boss explained perfectly, some sort of inner voice or something sat on my shoulder whispering to me "you'll never be able to do this or that" or "this will go wrong" or "that has gone wrong". So i think a lot of it is anxiety which is covered by the course so i want to train my thoughts/brain to not have these thought processes, or at least I will be able to understand how to deal with it and fight back. The CBT book I read is helpful but I only read that when I am in the midst of these dark thoughts and I want to stop it in the first place. When I have these anxious thoughts I get upset at depressed and it takes over my working day, and also spills over into family life and that must not continue.
We will see where the course takes me, I hope it helps and I will persevere with it. It was also interesting meeting the others on the course and listening to their stories, some of which were really quite sad.
I will update as I go on, but certainly the thoughts of:
"fk this st. I'm off!", and walking out. is something that happens to me on an hourly basis it seems.

5potTurbo

12,523 posts

168 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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Thanks for the extra comment, Eric.

From reading that I'd say your symptoms are more akin to anxiety than depression - similar to how I was, self doubting, questioning my own abilities, being generally negative, passive aggressive, etc.

Stay the course, but I'd like to suggest you seek help for anxiety, and maybe have a look at "parent/adult/child" relationships, from a psychological perspective, too.

Happy to converse more via PM or email, if you wish.

smile

eric twinge

1,619 posts

222 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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5potTurbo said:
Thanks for the extra comment, Eric.

From reading that I'd say your symptoms are more akin to anxiety than depression - similar to how I was, self doubting, questioning my own abilities, being generally negative, passive aggressive, etc.

Stay the course, but I'd like to suggest you seek help for anxiety, and maybe have a look at "parent/adult/child" relationships, from a psychological perspective, too.

Happy to converse more via PM or email, if you wish.

smile
Cheers, yes you may well be right, certainly what you have written is exactly what I deal with on a daily basis, often without no basis. For example, I have worked for the same bank in the city of london for almost 12 years now. If I was as bad as I think/thought I am I would have been out on my ear a long time ago. I have received numerous performance awards for the work I have done and no one has ever pulled me up on my output and i get positive monthly reviews.
But do you know what? In my head it means that my various line managers do not understand or do not see the work that I do, they can't see how bad my work is, if they actually stopped and looked at my output they would realise that I havn't got a clue. Even when someone is sat in front of me praising the work I am doing I do not believe them and reckon they are at fault for not understanding how bad I am at the job. It is almost getting to the stage where I am waiting for the meeting with HR, I am convinced it will happen any day soon and I often wonder if this will be my last day.
It's getting exhausting now and really affecting me and my family.
But, a positive step has been taken so I shall continue and sort it out once and for all.

bigtomski

359 posts

196 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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I've been idly reading some of the postings on this thread as I too am going through a really tough time at the the moment.
On the one hand it's good to read that i'm not alone but some of the postings do really upset me as I relate so much to them.
I've had depression on and off since my mid twenties and i'm now in my mid 40's.
This upsets me a great deal as I do often think to myself well if I have to live with this my whole life then I'd rather really not.
It's very upsetting the thoughts I have at times.

I recently had a bad experience at work where I had terrible anxiety. I was shaking before work and sometimes vomiting before leaving the house.
I'd have to leave the office at lunchtimes to be on my own and sometimes I even broke down in tears during the day.
I'd leave work in the evenings with a huge relief that i'd made it through the day and then cry as I thought about having to come back tomorrow and try to put on a mask again.
Colleagues tell me I'm great at my job and they never guessed anything was wrong but inside I was crying and I felt under so much pressure.

I recently had 3 months off work and started seeing a therapist which I find does help me a lot as I have so much to unload.
I had a gradual return to work after the 3 months off which went quite well until I started back full time, then all the old feelings came back and I got signed off for another month.
It's not the first time i've had to take time off in my career but i've been ok for the last 8 years but now it just feels like i'm back at square one again.
My doctor has put me on Fluoxetine which i've been taking for 10 days but i've yet to feel any different.
Today has been really bad as i've not been able to do anything, just stare into space and consider what seems a bleak future.
I'm 2 weeks into my month of being signed off and I feel like I can't return to work.
I have a fantastic partner of 15 years yet I feel like a burden to her, my family are also supportive but I just feel so down that nothing anyone says or does helps.
I feel exhausted by the whole thing.
Up until recently I was exercising quite a lot, eating well, trying to really help myself but it made no difference.
Now like today I simply want to stay in bed the whole time.
I'm not one to write much normally but I feel compelled to share after seeing other peoples stories.

thatsprettyshady

1,824 posts

165 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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bigtomski said:
I've been idly reading some of the postings on this thread as I too am going through a really tough time at the the moment.
On the one hand it's good to read that i'm not alone but some of the postings do really upset me as I relate so much to them.
I've had depression on and off since my mid twenties and i'm now in my mid 40's.
This upsets me a great deal as I do often think to myself well if I have to live with this my whole life then I'd rather really not.
It's very upsetting the thoughts I have at times.

I recently had a bad experience at work where I had terrible anxiety. I was shaking before work and sometimes vomiting before leaving the house.
I'd have to leave the office at lunchtimes to be on my own and sometimes I even broke down in tears during the day.
I'd leave work in the evenings with a huge relief that i'd made it through the day and then cry as I thought about having to come back tomorrow and try to put on a mask again.
Colleagues tell me I'm great at my job and they never guessed anything was wrong but inside I was crying and I felt under so much pressure.

I recently had 3 months off work and started seeing a therapist which I find does help me a lot as I have so much to unload.
I had a gradual return to work after the 3 months off which went quite well until I started back full time, then all the old feelings came back and I got signed off for another month.
It's not the first time i've had to take time off in my career but i've been ok for the last 8 years but now it just feels like i'm back at square one again.
My doctor has put me on Fluoxetine which i've been taking for 10 days but i've yet to feel any different.
Today has been really bad as i've not been able to do anything, just stare into space and consider what seems a bleak future.
I'm 2 weeks into my month of being signed off and I feel like I can't return to work.
I have a fantastic partner of 15 years yet I feel like a burden to her, my family are also supportive but I just feel so down that nothing anyone says or does helps.
I feel exhausted by the whole thing.
Up until recently I was exercising quite a lot, eating well, trying to really help myself but it made no difference.
Now like today I simply want to stay in bed the whole time.
I'm not one to write much normally but I feel compelled to share after seeing other peoples stories.
Work can do that to you, I had bad anxiety which manifested itself the same way as yours I.e you feel fine a home but then when you set foot n the office all the old feelings come back.

You may not want to hear this but the minute I packed in the old just job, my anxiety just disappeared.

timolloyd

229 posts

160 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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@bigtomski I'm not an expert but that sounds like the hallmarks of depression to me.

I am a long time lurker on this thread. I don't enjoy reading about others' problems, but it is reassuring to know that there isn't a one-size-fits-all fix for this stuff.

FWIW I'd recommend this online chat service if you want to talk with a professional: https://www.menshealthforum.org.uk/beatstress.uk

(full disclosure - I'm a trustee for this charity. And a man, obvs...)


richtea78

5,574 posts

158 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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eric twinge said:
Cheers, yes you may well be right, certainly what you have written is exactly what I deal with on a daily basis, often without no basis. For example, I have worked for the same bank in the city of london for almost 12 years now. If I was as bad as I think/thought I am I would have been out on my ear a long time ago. I have received numerous performance awards for the work I have done and no one has ever pulled me up on my output and i get positive monthly reviews
But do you know what? In my head it means that my various line managers do not understand or do not see the work that I do, they can't see how bad my work is, if they actually stopped and looked at my output they would realise that I havn't got a clue. Even when someone is sat in front of me praising the work I am doing I do not believe them and reckon they are at fault for not understanding how bad I am at the job. It is almost getting to the stage where I am waiting for the meeting with HR, I am convinced it will happen any day soon and I often wonder if this will be my last day.
It's getting exhausting now and really affecting me and my family.
But, a positive step has been taken so I shall continue and sort it out once and for all.
That's pretty much exactly what I had. I can be told how good I am at my job over and over yet it doesn't mean anything to me. I get so anxious I couldn't face leaving the house sometimes. I had to really force myself. It just got worse and worse but in the end I did get it sorted so there is hope for you.

V40Vinnie

863 posts

119 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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What an utterly bullst day. Stuck on a department at work with someone that really pisses me off and has no apparant moral code. She then spends the day trying to pry and find out why im so pissed off today, well wench you're not exactly helping. Its all added to a day that felt more than i could handle