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V40Vinnie said:
I went to my Drs to book an appointment and was turned away (apparantly you have to ring up instead). It hasn't helped me at all to be honest i feel even more anxious about it now
don't give up, please ring and make an appointment and state you need to see someone as soon as possible, there is no need to feel anxious (easy to say) the GP is there to help, be open and honest, too honest if possible as the more your open them the more the GP can help and understand (again very easy to say)Edited by familyguy1 on Monday 16th January 15:46
LondonEagle15 said:
I've found reading self help books and watching videos has helped a fair bit
xjay1337 said:
The problem with self help books is some of them are not helpful at all lol, you think the people who write them are more messed up than you.
Get Out of your Mind and Into Your Life by Stephen C Hayes changed the entire way I looked at anything in my life. I've never said that about a book before. It's quite heavy, it's very challenging, it's probably not for everyone. But for me, it really really helpedandy-xr said:
Get Out of your Mind and Into Your Life by Stephen C Hayes changed the entire way I looked at anything in my life. I've never said that about a book before. It's quite heavy, it's very challenging, it's probably not for everyone. But for me, it really really helped
I've started "the subtle art of not giving a f#ck". My main issue at the moment is anger, I am the angry man I never wanted to be. LondonEagle15 said:
I'm intelligent enough to know that I'll never be 'cured' and that there will always be an element to it with me, but for now my focus is to try and understand it a bit better and learn to manage it.
You suggest you will never be cured. You will look around at those you know and realise that most people are closer to the edge than you ever will be again. No one is immune but those who've been through it are no more likely to stumble than anyone else. You'll get a bit down every now and again, but that's hardly unique to those of us who've had problems before. In fact, you will recognise the warning signs and be ready. It's a bit like the tide. You cannot stop it coming in but you can ensure you don't drown.
I occasionally get the question from my wife: 'Do you feel all right?' Time to go out for a meal or such.
Derek Smith said:
You suggest you will never be cured. You will look around at those you know and realise that most people are closer to the edge than you ever will be again. No one is immune but those who've been through it are no more likely to stumble than anyone else.
You'll get a bit down every now and again, but that's hardly unique to those of us who've had problems before. In fact, you will recognise the warning signs and be ready. It's a bit like the tide. You cannot stop it coming in but you can ensure you don't drown.
I occasionally get the question from my wife: 'Do you feel all right?' Time to go out for a meal or such.
It's incredible isn't it? How the people you share your life with spot it before you do. My other half confronted me about it because my behaviour had changed. I didnt want to take part in activities i enjoyed, I'd get pissed off easily, I wasnt sleeping or when i was i was in a coma almost and i was off my food even favourites like lasagne. You'll get a bit down every now and again, but that's hardly unique to those of us who've had problems before. In fact, you will recognise the warning signs and be ready. It's a bit like the tide. You cannot stop it coming in but you can ensure you don't drown.
I occasionally get the question from my wife: 'Do you feel all right?' Time to go out for a meal or such.
V40Vinnie said:
O.k. got the first hurdle out of the way and spoken to My G.P. Got given Anti Depressants (not optional) and referred to a therapist (also not optional as he said i'm moderate to severe). Feel like i'm in uncharted waters here as it is beyond my ability to understand
You'll be the one taking them every day, so it's your choice. You should take them if you think they'll help. Help has many meanings to many people - we talked above about using ADs to give you some space for the therapyThere'll be some startup side effects. You might feel like a zombie for a bit. You might be jittery as fk. You might also feel worse while you start up on them. All that will pass as your body gets used to what you're putting in it. You might feel that it's too much to handle, but the flip side is you cant carry on as you were - that's proven not to be working for you.
The Ads you start on might not be the ones you finish up on. For many people they go through a few different types, and the Doc doesnt know how you're going to react to each one. You need to work together to find the one that works best for you. Be as open about what's good and whats not when you go back.
In therapy, you might feel a bit of a tit, and you dont know why you're there cos that's for crazies. You know, people who shout at pigeons and stuff. It's there for many people, for many reasons and it's there really to try and help you get where you want to go.
What I learned during my therapy was to be more driven by direction than destination. If my life is heading in a certain direction that I want it to, then I'm happy. We can wander off the path every so often, perhaps take the scenic route, but we get back on track. If I find I've turned left at a junction, and instead of heading East I'm now heading South and I've stopped off at BadPlaceForMe, I need to get back in the car, turn it around and head back to that crossroads and make the turn to head East again.
What I'm saying is that I'm really conscious that I can end up somewhere in my head that isnt good for me, and I can spot it now fairly quickly. I'm sure you'll also find that as well, it'll take time, patience and willing from you.
V40Vinnie said:
O.k. got the first hurdle out of the way and spoken to My G.P. Got given Anti Depressants (not optional) and referred to a therapist (also not optional as he said i'm moderate to severe). Feel like i'm in uncharted waters here as it is beyond my ability to understand
Well done, it's the first step and a good one.Uncharted waters? Yes definitely, what's more you can't swim. So what to do? Put trust in the ones offering help, let them do their job and support you. Just follow the instructions and give the feedback.
andy-xr said:
Useful stuff
Do you or anyone else know much about tethering the mind when you are in bed (supposed to be sleeping)?What I mean is this; you can do things during the day to keep your mind occupied and feel better, but at night it's free to roam so you can end up ok during the day, but stressed/worried/depressed (delete as applicable) at night resulting in poor or no sleep. I always term it as 'The Black Dog walks at night' because when it's dark you can't find it's bloody lead. Any thoughts?
227bhp said:
Do you or anyone else know much about tethering the mind when you are in bed (supposed to be sleeping)?
What I mean is this; you can do things during the day to keep your mind occupied and feel better, but at night it's free to roam so you can end up ok during the day, but stressed/worried/depressed (delete as applicable) at night resulting in poor or no sleep. I always term it as 'The Black Dog walks at night' because when it's dark you can't find it's bloody lead. Any thoughts?
I used to be to busy or tired after working shifts to be awake at night.Our mind can go so many different ways that I often wonder that people function day in day out.What I mean is this; you can do things during the day to keep your mind occupied and feel better, but at night it's free to roam so you can end up ok during the day, but stressed/worried/depressed (delete as applicable) at night resulting in poor or no sleep. I always term it as 'The Black Dog walks at night' because when it's dark you can't find it's bloody lead. Any thoughts?
I am happy with the simple things in live.Never been to ambitious or wanted more than I could afford.Spiriuality is important to me, not in a conventional religious way.We all have our gremlings and thoughts what should and not be.There is no answer to your thoughts.Just think we are all in the same boat no matter how rich you think you are>
227bhp said:
Do you or anyone else know much about tethering the mind when you are in bed (supposed to be sleeping)?
What I mean is this; you can do things during the day to keep your mind occupied and feel better, but at night it's free to roam so you can end up ok during the day, but stressed/worried/depressed (delete as applicable) at night resulting in poor or no sleep. I always term it as 'The Black Dog walks at night' because when it's dark you can't find it's bloody lead. Any thoughts?
I gave up alcohol, that helped massively. I use mindfulness techniques (not just at night, it's the kind of technique where paying it forward works really well). And when all else fails, I drink valerian tea, which is available from big supermarkets and health shops (dr stuarts or clipper "sleep easy")What I mean is this; you can do things during the day to keep your mind occupied and feel better, but at night it's free to roam so you can end up ok during the day, but stressed/worried/depressed (delete as applicable) at night resulting in poor or no sleep. I always term it as 'The Black Dog walks at night' because when it's dark you can't find it's bloody lead. Any thoughts?
227bhp said:
andy-xr said:
Useful stuff
Do you or anyone else know much about tethering the mind when you are in bed (supposed to be sleeping)?What I mean is this; you can do things during the day to keep your mind occupied and feel better, but at night it's free to roam so you can end up ok during the day, but stressed/worried/depressed (delete as applicable) at night resulting in poor or no sleep. I always term it as 'The Black Dog walks at night' because when it's dark you can't find it's bloody lead. Any thoughts?
The big breakthrough for me came through mindfulness. Just watching my thoughts without judgement or evaluation, especially without negative evaluation. So now, when I pinpoint whether I'm in the recent past, the distant past, or the future with my thoughts I can look at them as just thoughts. Kind of like I'm on a bridge over a stream and they're washing past me. I'll watch them for a bit, then go back to doing whatever I was doing (sleep, work, playing with daughter etc) but I'm still kind of aware that my brain and my conscious are sometimes doing different things and not all of them are good for me.
V40Vinnie said:
The ADs seem to be Citalopram which i think is an SSRI type, the side effect list reads like a horror show
I was/am on Citalopram.For me personally the side effects were difficulty sleeping, which I did end up getting adjusted to, and lack of appetite. Which was no bad thing in itself.
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