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First time I've come across this thread - having experienced this myself for years in my youth I made huge changes in my life. I'll save you the details of my story for now.
Aside from my day job - I offer life coaching, therapy and self healing techniques to empower people to take control and change their lives. It is entirely possible, I've done it myself. Since being through the lowest periods, I've learnt 3 different languages and lived in quite a few countries - also having had the pleasure of helping many people and feeling immense satisfaction along the way.
My intention in sharing this is to at least get the message out there, that there's a huge world out there- one where you are significantly better than you are now! There are many people such as myself who are able to help and support you along the way.
The methods I use and practice don't use pharmaceutical drugs - correct nutrition, exercise, self awareness and a range of other therapeutic techniques are highly effective in making the changes you need.
Aside from my day job - I offer life coaching, therapy and self healing techniques to empower people to take control and change their lives. It is entirely possible, I've done it myself. Since being through the lowest periods, I've learnt 3 different languages and lived in quite a few countries - also having had the pleasure of helping many people and feeling immense satisfaction along the way.
My intention in sharing this is to at least get the message out there, that there's a huge world out there- one where you are significantly better than you are now! There are many people such as myself who are able to help and support you along the way.
The methods I use and practice don't use pharmaceutical drugs - correct nutrition, exercise, self awareness and a range of other therapeutic techniques are highly effective in making the changes you need.
digger_R said:
First time I've come across this thread - having experienced this myself for years in my youth I made huge changes in my life. I'll save you the details of my story for now.
Aside from my day job - I offer life coaching, therapy and self healing techniques to empower people to take control and change their lives. It is entirely possible, I've done it myself. Since being through the lowest periods, I've learnt 3 different languages and lived in quite a few countries - also having had the pleasure of helping many people and feeling immense satisfaction along the way.
My intention in sharing this is to at least get the message out there, that there's a huge world out there- one where you are significantly better than you are now! There are many people such as myself who are able to help and support you along the way.
The methods I use and practice don't use pharmaceutical drugs - correct nutrition, exercise, self awareness and a range of other therapeutic techniques are highly effective in making the changes you need.
Alternatively, there are always SSRIs. Clinically proven to be safe and effective.Aside from my day job - I offer life coaching, therapy and self healing techniques to empower people to take control and change their lives. It is entirely possible, I've done it myself. Since being through the lowest periods, I've learnt 3 different languages and lived in quite a few countries - also having had the pleasure of helping many people and feeling immense satisfaction along the way.
My intention in sharing this is to at least get the message out there, that there's a huge world out there- one where you are significantly better than you are now! There are many people such as myself who are able to help and support you along the way.
The methods I use and practice don't use pharmaceutical drugs - correct nutrition, exercise, self awareness and a range of other therapeutic techniques are highly effective in making the changes you need.
In my view, people get needlessly hung up on the avoidance of 'drugs'. Who would turn down an antibiotic if the consequences of not taking it were a life-threatening infection?
Anti-depressants are exactly the same.
crazy about cars said:
Thanks for the feedback. I'm not a big fan of taking pills (except vitamins) so always would appreciate feedback before committing.
Not sure if related to depression but I find that I'm over worrying about things. Sometimes a comment or thought would hang in my mind and latch on and I end up getting too worked up over it even though it might not be the end of the world.
Due to recent work related stress this has now become really noticeable and sometimes it just makes me feel very low and reclusive. I find it very hard to express positive emotions.
Anxiety and depression are very closely related.Not sure if related to depression but I find that I'm over worrying about things. Sometimes a comment or thought would hang in my mind and latch on and I end up getting too worked up over it even though it might not be the end of the world.
Due to recent work related stress this has now become really noticeable and sometimes it just makes me feel very low and reclusive. I find it very hard to express positive emotions.
I suffer from Seasonal Affective Disorder, have done since I was ten years old, long before it even had a name.
For me, getting worked up over trivial comments is a prognosticator of an oncoming episode. At this point I'd be thinking about medicating.
Mobile Chicane said:
Alternatively, there are always SSRIs. Clinically proven to be safe and effective.
In my view, people get needlessly hung up on the avoidance of 'drugs'. Who would turn down an antibiotic if the consequences of not taking it were a life-threatening infection?
Anti-depressants are exactly the same.
For you maybe, but for others they become yet something else to bind and control life. As you well know, for some the drugs dominate life as much as depression itself. This is why there is a very big demand for choices, alternatives, different paths to 'wellness' that many will actively choose to try. Taking an SSRI is way more a big deal to a great many people than taking penicillin. In my view, people get needlessly hung up on the avoidance of 'drugs'. Who would turn down an antibiotic if the consequences of not taking it were a life-threatening infection?
Anti-depressants are exactly the same.
crazy about cars said:
Thanks for the feedback. I'm not a big fan of taking pills (except vitamins) so always would appreciate feedback before committing.
Not sure if related to depression but I find that I'm over worrying about things. Sometimes a comment or thought would hang in my mind and latch on and I end up getting too worked up over it even though it might not be the end of the world.
Due to recent work related stress this has now become really noticeable and sometimes it just makes me feel very low and reclusive. I find it very hard to express positive emotions.
I'm the same bud, I'm about 3 weeks into one of my episodes and I'm just coming out the other side now thank fNot sure if related to depression but I find that I'm over worrying about things. Sometimes a comment or thought would hang in my mind and latch on and I end up getting too worked up over it even though it might not be the end of the world.
Due to recent work related stress this has now become really noticeable and sometimes it just makes me feel very low and reclusive. I find it very hard to express positive emotions.
k.If you use Twitter then try following @anxietyunited .... Doesn't half help to know that at the exact same time you're having a 'mare , there are loads more going through it too. You'll also get reminded to do the most important thing of all....breathe
Mobile Chicane said:
Anxiety and depression are very closely related.
I suffer from Seasonal Affective Disorder, have done since I was ten years old, long before it even had a name.
For me, getting worked up over trivial comments is a prognosticator of an oncoming episode. At this point I'd be thinking about medicating.
I didn't even realise I have anxiety symptoms until recently. I've always bundled everything together as depression as I have wrongly thought that anxiety relates to panic attacks, hyper ventilating etc.I suffer from Seasonal Affective Disorder, have done since I was ten years old, long before it even had a name.
For me, getting worked up over trivial comments is a prognosticator of an oncoming episode. At this point I'd be thinking about medicating.
I do notice things gets worse during winter time when there's lack of sun shine however I've bought a SAD alarm clock and over 2+ years of usage it does seem to help with tiredness/sleeping issues.
Thing is the anxiety and depression is now kind of nearly always there. There might be short period where I feel neutral but most of the time I'm demoralised and low.
I've been on ADs (although none for anxiety related) for many years and almost all of the experiences weren't good for me. I either responded very badly to the meds or it had no effect at all. I've been thinking of trying a healthy lifestyle (more exercise, less booze) instead to see if that will help. I must admit one reason is that I really don't want to completely give up drinking which is something you will most probably need to do on ADs...
Anyway I've received a letter for a follow up appointment in the mental health clinic in 2 weeks and it will be a good chance for me to discuss this further - bringing anxiety in the discussion.
twing said:
I'm the same bud, I'm about 3 weeks into one of my episodes and I'm just coming out the other side now thank fk.
If you use Twitter then try following @anxietyunited .... Doesn't half help to know that at the exact same time you're having a 'mare , there are loads more going through it too. You'll also get reminded to do the most important thing of all....breathe
Good to hear you are now starting to see the light again mate k.If you use Twitter then try following @anxietyunited .... Doesn't half help to know that at the exact same time you're having a 'mare , there are loads more going through it too. You'll also get reminded to do the most important thing of all....breathe
I don't have a Twitter account and never used it but might create one just to follow people. Sometimes I do find it therapeutic to express feelings online like what I'm doing now.
drivin_me_nuts said:
Mobile Chicane said:
Alternatively, there are always SSRIs. Clinically proven to be safe and effective.
In my view, people get needlessly hung up on the avoidance of 'drugs'. Who would turn down an antibiotic if the consequences of not taking it were a life-threatening infection?
Anti-depressants are exactly the same.
For you maybe, but for others they become yet something else to bind and control life. As you well know, for some the drugs dominate life as much as depression itself. This is why there is a very big demand for choices, alternatives, different paths to 'wellness' that many will actively choose to try. Taking an SSRI is way more a big deal to a great many people than taking penicillin. In my view, people get needlessly hung up on the avoidance of 'drugs'. Who would turn down an antibiotic if the consequences of not taking it were a life-threatening infection?
Anti-depressants are exactly the same.
Which may well work for some.
However my point is to try and remove the stigma attached to 'taking drugs', which may literally be a lifesaver when someone is in a dark place that they can't get out of without them.
Mobile Chicane said:
Obviously you're going to say that, given that your therapeutic approach is based on non-drug interventions.
Which may well work for some.
However my point is to try and remove the stigma attached to 'taking drugs', which may literally be a lifesaver when someone is in a dark place that they can't get out of without them.
I think I agree MC, I have 2 reasons for not taking themWhich may well work for some.
However my point is to try and remove the stigma attached to 'taking drugs', which may literally be a lifesaver when someone is in a dark place that they can't get out of without them.
1 the doc will roast me for drinking/smoking & not enough exercise (I know, I know, if I didn't I'd feel better,etc)
2 I have a very addictive trait and I don't want to be rattling with pills forever
However, without the stigma I'd be much more likely to be able to get proper reassurance that my 2 points aren't valid and that I could get a bit of help without getting stressed over the very things that may help. Sorry that's a bit muddy but it makes sense over here
We may well have different routes to wellness MC, but I wholeheartedly agree that the sooner the stigma and negativity surrounding mental health is diminished, the better.
It is a fundamental failing with society that we continue to stigmatise those whose conditions aren't physically obvious.
It is a fundamental failing with society that we continue to stigmatise those whose conditions aren't physically obvious.
Mobile Chicane said:
b. anti-depressants are not addictive.
They will be if your internal program says '2 I have a very addictive trait and I don't want to be rattling with pills forever'
The internalised belief system is very more powerful relative to the individual chemical in this instance.
MC. Maybe you misunderstood, I'm not saying don't use them - I'm saying my personal techniques and practices don't
twing said:
Kalms worked for a short time for me, along with "Rescue Remedy" spray for the panicky times.
Both worth a go IMO just don't overdo the Kalms, 2 doses a day was ok for me.
Might have to have a look into this. I seem to have 'beaten' the worst of the depression - for the time being - but the other day it hit back hard and I lost all hope for a couple of days. Both worth a go IMO just don't overdo the Kalms, 2 doses a day was ok for me.
Petrolhead95 said:
Might have to have a look into this. I seem to have 'beaten' the worst of the depression - for the time being - but the other day it hit back hard and I lost all hope for a couple of days.
Kalms and Rescue Remedy are really short term, over the counter, need it now approaches that tackle more the symptom than the problem. If you want to try something mid term, St Johns Wort is supposed to be a bit better. Beta blockers, which if you have a form of anxiety that makes your stomach do turns, will take away the emotion but still leaves the wobbly belly. I couldnt take them as it was weird having the turns but not the fight/flight level of alertness
There is nothing worse, then going through hell of depression. You wake up each day, not knowing if you will make it
'till night, or you will simply give in, and end it all yourself. The drugs sometimes help, and sometimes make it worse.
Felt like I had no control whatsoever over my own life. But with some help from my family, the people who truly love me, I
managed to get myself out of that hell-hole. It took me a while, but I managed to teach myself how to push trough the day, and keep on fighting.
In the end, it all comes down to helping yourself get up and fight, because without that no one can truly help you, no matter how much they would want to.
To conclude, help yourself, so you could go out into the world, and start truly living, and that will be a cure on it's own.
http://lookingupstuff.com/mentalhealth/2015/02/06/...
'till night, or you will simply give in, and end it all yourself. The drugs sometimes help, and sometimes make it worse.
Felt like I had no control whatsoever over my own life. But with some help from my family, the people who truly love me, I
managed to get myself out of that hell-hole. It took me a while, but I managed to teach myself how to push trough the day, and keep on fighting.
In the end, it all comes down to helping yourself get up and fight, because without that no one can truly help you, no matter how much they would want to.
To conclude, help yourself, so you could go out into the world, and start truly living, and that will be a cure on it's own.
http://lookingupstuff.com/mentalhealth/2015/02/06/...
MichaelTrent said:
There is nothing worse, then going through hell of depression. You wake up each day, not knowing if you will make it
'till night, or you will simply give in, and end it all yourself. The drugs sometimes help, and sometimes make it worse.
Felt like I had no control whatsoever over my own life. But with some help from my family, the people who truly love me, I
managed to get myself out of that hell-hole. It took me a while, but I managed to teach myself how to push trough the day, and keep on fighting.
In the end, it all comes down to helping yourself get up and fight, because without that no one can truly help you, no matter how much they would want to.
To conclude, help yourself, so you could go out into the world, and start truly living, and that will be a cure on it's own.
http://lookingupstuff.com/mentalhealth/2015/02/06/...
One post, linking to a site that's flogging a book. 'till night, or you will simply give in, and end it all yourself. The drugs sometimes help, and sometimes make it worse.
Felt like I had no control whatsoever over my own life. But with some help from my family, the people who truly love me, I
managed to get myself out of that hell-hole. It took me a while, but I managed to teach myself how to push trough the day, and keep on fighting.
In the end, it all comes down to helping yourself get up and fight, because without that no one can truly help you, no matter how much they would want to.
To conclude, help yourself, so you could go out into the world, and start truly living, and that will be a cure on it's own.
http://lookingupstuff.com/mentalhealth/2015/02/06/...
andy-xr said:
Kalms and Rescue Remedy are really short term, over the counter, need it now approaches that tackle more the symptom than the problem. If you want to try something mid term, St Johns Wort is supposed to be a bit better.
Beta blockers, which if you have a form of anxiety that makes your stomach do turns, will take away the emotion but still leaves the wobbly belly. I couldnt take them as it was weird having the turns but not the fight/flight level of alertness
Thanks for the advice. I'll start with the Kalms and if that doesn't help, I can always move up. Beta blockers, which if you have a form of anxiety that makes your stomach do turns, will take away the emotion but still leaves the wobbly belly. I couldnt take them as it was weird having the turns but not the fight/flight level of alertness
Petrolhead95 said:
Thanks for the advice. I'll start with the Kalms and if that doesn't help, I can always move up.
While you're there pick up the spray as well bud. It really did make a difference for me when the panic set in. I kept it in my pocket all the time just in case. It's only herbal and tastes a bit buttery.raised its head for me again in the last week or so. problem is i almost want to go with it into a pit of despair its like a journey. hoped a good cry had sorted it last week. need to keep busier. other half said " oh come on really" when i said what triggered it last week. no one understands unless uve been through it. ho hum.
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