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GBDG
814 posts
23 months
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deadmau5 said: That's strange! I had shakes and sweating but no effect at all on appetite. I'm wondering on the effect of the caffine is, before I took these I checked how much caffine I was taking in on a daily basis. These have 200mg of caffine in. My usual daily intake is at least 900mg (if not more), so I have quite a resistance to it!
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goldblum
6,729 posts
36 months
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Halb - HIIT training for weightloss is based on the premise that your heartrate stays elevated after you've finished exercising and hence your metabolism is slightly sped up which in turn burns more calories 'at rest.'It does,but for hours,not days.HIIT does not place you in the fat burning zone at all once you've stopped.
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LordGrover
18,592 posts
81 months
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Pretty much every 'method' and system out there will have a beneficial effect if followed as directed; some more effective than others. That is, if you are committed and have the willpower to stick to it. Most people who fail take the concept of cheat meals too far or think skipping every other workout or run is okay. Most of these plans are based on good research even though they may appear to contradict each other. You can't take a bit from one and mix in a bit from another; low carb and low fat diets for example, 3-4 x 10kms per week on low carbs, etc. I'm certainly guilty of talking the talk; not always walking the walk. 
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Halb
17,849 posts
52 months
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Thanks for the answers all. 
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JonnyFive
26,701 posts
58 months
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I'm losing weight at the moment, have cut my calories down.. But am not getting enough protein, even though I'm feeling full and don't want to eat more.
If I bought some Whey Protein, and had a shake a day or so would that make me gain weight (Fat) or should I be fine?
I've lost 4kg in 3 weeks of gym work, and last night cycled 18 miles.. When I started 3 weeks ago I struggled with even 3 miles of cycling.
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GBDG
814 posts
23 months
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A protein shake should deliver around 30g of protein for around 150 calories. The effect it has on your weight will depend on what else you've eaten that day.
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JonnyFive
26,701 posts
58 months
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GBDG said: A protein shake should deliver around 30g of protein for around 150 calories. The effect it has on your weight will depend on what else you've eaten that day. MFP calorie target it 1900.. I'm on about 1000-1100 before it subtracts what I've burnt at the gym. Found this on a website, would it be a pretty good diet plan? Breakfast 1 bowl of porridge with skimmed milk 1 glass of fruit juice Mid-morning snack Portion of fruit 125g low fat yoghurt Lunch 50g (uncooked weight) of whole-wheat pasta salad with chicken, tuna or ham in an oil dressing Portion of fruit 125g low fat yoghurt Mid-afternoon snack A hand full of fresh or dried berries Evening meal A portion of mixed vegetables or salad A 125g portion of lean red meat, chicken or salmon 50g (uncooked weight) of whole-wheat pasta or wholegrain rice
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GBDG
814 posts
23 months
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JonnyFive said: Found this on a website, would it be a pretty good diet plan?
Breakfast
1 bowl of porridge with skimmed milk
1 glass of fruit juice
Comment: Sack off the fruit juice and add some fruit to your porridge instead. Fruit juice is just a hit of sugar with zero fibre, avoid it at all costs. Your porridge will be much more enjoyable with some banana/berries mixed in.
Mid-morning snack
Portion of fruit
125g low fat yoghurt -
Comment: Go for Greek yogurt and mix some berries/grapes/apple in. I buy 0% fat Greek yogurt that has 10g of protein per 100g.
Lunch
50g (uncooked weight) of whole-wheat pasta salad with chicken, tuna or ham in an oil dressing
Portion of fruit
125g low fat yoghurt
Same comments apply as previous re Yogurt. Try to find a low far dressing.
Mid-afternoon snack
A hand full of fresh or dried berries
Evening meal
A portion of mixed vegetables or salad
A 125g portion of lean red meat, chicken or salmon (If you're eating lean meat, it's quite low calories, so i'd go for a bigger portion, more like 200g)
50g (uncooked weight) of whole-wheat pasta or wholegrain rice Without working out calories macros, on the whole it looks pretty solid diet.
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MrWhale
153 posts
46 months
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GBDG said: JonnyFive said: Found this on a website, would it be a pretty good diet plan?
Breakfast
1 bowl of porridge with skimmed milk
1 glass of fruit juice
Comment: Sack off the fruit juice and add some fruit to your porridge instead. Fruit juice is just a hit of sugar with zero fibre, avoid it at all costs. Your porridge will be much more enjoyable with some banana/berries mixed in.
Mid-morning snack
Portion of fruit
125g low fat yoghurt -
Comment: Go for Greek yogurt and mix some berries/grapes/apple in. I buy 0% fat Greek yogurt that has 10g of protein per 100g.
Lunch
50g (uncooked weight) of whole-wheat pasta salad with chicken, tuna or ham in an oil dressing
Portion of fruit
125g low fat yoghurt
Same comments apply as previous re Yogurt. Try to find a low far dressing.
Mid-afternoon snack
A hand full of fresh or dried berries
Evening meal
A portion of mixed vegetables or salad
A 125g portion of lean red meat, chicken or salmon (If you're eating lean meat, it's quite low calories, so i'd go for a bigger portion, more like 200g)
50g (uncooked weight) of whole-wheat pasta or wholegrain rice Without working out calories macros, on the whole it looks pretty solid diet. What "Size" person is this for?i would feel pretty hungry on that diet? What's with the obsession of low fat foods? often they are more processed than the "normal" fat foods, also certain fats are actually good for you. Personally use real butter / olive oil in all my cooking. Maybe swap the porridge for omlette / scrambled egg / meat if eggs then use whole eggs, this will help avoid the insulin spike caused by the oats (body is most sensitive early on in the day)and help keep cravings at bay.
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MrWhale
153 posts
46 months
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Noticed hardly any meat in the above either...
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JonnyFive
26,701 posts
58 months
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What would you add/take away from that plan?
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goldblum
6,729 posts
36 months
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JF - Your diet is absolutely fine.You can tinker with it a bit but the wise money's on doing a bit more cycling or running.
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BenM77
2,106 posts
33 months
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@Goldblum
The last few pages have been interesting but I disagree that exercise is more important than diet for weight loss.
I know far too many real world examples of very fit but overweight people and unfit skinny people which goes against what you are saying.
For me it is simple
Training/Exercise = stronger/fitter
Diet = bigger/smaller
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goldblum
6,729 posts
36 months
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'Fraid you've lost me there Ben. How does being overweight and very fit challenge my statement? Do you mean they are fast?..maybe a preponderance of FT muscle fibres but that's genetic.If they're overweight I can assure you it's very unlikely they're very fit,although I'm sure there are exceptions,but I can't think of any.BP,Hr,cholesterol,visceral fat.Do you mean flexibility,agility,coordination,aerobic endurance,muscular endurance..how are they fit? Unless..is it Geoff Capes?
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BenM77
2,106 posts
33 months
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Sorry, my mistake. I meant active rather than fit One example = very active job + cycles a lot of miles per week including to work and back but obviously consumes more than he uses = 5'7 and 16.5 stone. It is hard to get out in text what I mean, basically I know people who run or cycle but are still very overweight and I also know people who don't do a stitch and are thin. In my opinion it is more important to exercise and be fit than be thin with no fitness level, the benefits of exercise are not in question, but when it comes to weight loss it is about consumption in my experience.
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goldblum
6,729 posts
36 months
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Your cyclist chap needs to do many more miles on his bike.He's obese and may well have veins more narrow than a hair from his head.
Thinness is not bad for you in the way fatness is.
The fact that someone looks or is active means nothing,but I agree looks can be deceiving.
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BenM77
2,106 posts
33 months
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You see this is where I disagree but it is hard to guage a conversation over the Internet You say that someone with a very active job and who cycles over 150 miles per week needs more exercise, I say he needs to look at his intake. I agree that being thin is better than being fat, the only point you have made that I disagree with is that exercise is more important than diet for fat loss.
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Lost_BMW
10,609 posts
45 months
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goldblum said: 'Fraid you've lost me there Ben. How does being overweight and very fit challenge my statement? Do you mean they are fast?..maybe a preponderance of FT muscle fibres but that's genetic.If they're overweight I can assure you it's very unlikely they're very fit,although I'm sure there are exceptions,but I can't think of any.BP,Hr,cholesterol,visceral fat.Do you mean flexibility,agility,coordination,aerobic endurance,muscular endurance..how are they fit? Unless..is it Geoff Capes? I'm not sure whether to side with either side of the debate but will argue over one statement, that being overweight means you aren't going to be fit. I am still way over weight but I know that, particularly for my age, I am still much fitter than normal people even half my weight. My blood pressure is low, my resting heart beat sill pretty low and my cholesterol so low that the last time it was measured the practice nurse did it twice and then called the doctor in because she couldn't believe it; a practice low apparently and half the rate the govt. want to be the normal - which hasn't been achieved yet - at 2.6 mmol/l (father and brother similarly low so a genetic aspect?) Above all, I am sure I could out work/out train 95% of men pulled off the street even half my age and weight, even those who do train. Very few I've trained with can keep up the circuits or rounds I can with little or no rest intervals. True enough the weight slows me for/makes running more difficult but I can walk for miles and until recently regularly cycled 15 to 20 miles. Why? Because of the years of regular and hard training. My diet has often been s  te - esp. until I stopped drinking back in 2008 - or even when it's 'clean' I've eaten too much and I'm sure I would/will benefit from being less overweight. But even at my heaviest I could work hard for extended periods. Exercise has been vital; the key. Most people my weight never exercise in my experience and so have lost the benefits I've gained.
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GBDG
814 posts
23 months
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If you train hard enough, you can eat what you like. Have you ever seen Michael Phelps diet?
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Hoofy
47,836 posts
151 months
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JonnyFive said: MFP Be careful of the protein and carb quotes in MFP. A lot of the food entries seem inaccurate or missing. Apparently, Sainsbury's chicken legs have zero protein. In other words, someone banged in the calorie value but didn't bother to enter the rest. Also it overquotes calorie burn by about 150%-200%.
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