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silverthorn2151

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3,549 posts

48 months

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I have had type 2 diabetes for about 6 years. It's never been brilliantly controlled basically because I find it impossible to stick to a diet. Got a right old telling off by the consultant today. Diabetes not under control, no choice about treatment etc etc.

His view is that with an average blood count of 13% there is no choice other than insulin injections.

Whilst in th back of my mind I always knew this was an inevitable outcome I have told him I want a couple of months to work real hard at getting the level down by diet and existing drugs. If that doesn't work then fair enough, but my problem is that I really hate the thought of it.

I suppose my plea here is to hear that injecting twice a day with one of those special pens isn't the end of the world?

Feeling rather low about it to be honest.

solo2

104 posts

16 months

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I presume you are currently on Metformin three times a day. I should be also but I find the side effects of it so hard to deal with so normal life can continue. My body has never gained a tolerance to the drug no matter how slowly I have tried to build up to three a day. Currently do a really good ostrich impression and trying to hope it will all go away but I knwo it won't.

I've been having a lot of foot problems in the last year and I am also getting pins & needles a fair amount which is not good.

I did inject before and whilst the injections themselves are not really that much worse than the finger pinprick, it's the moving the site of the jabs constantly and the side effects of insulin itself that is not so good.

I'm hardly in a position to preach but at the end of the day I'd rather be on Met than inject.

silverthorn2151

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My current drug regime is 2000mg modified release Metformin, which I take in the morning. It did take a while to get used to it and the first time I tried I gave up.

Then 4 x 80mg Gliclazide. I have been taking 2 in the morning and 2 in the evening. I had missed that they should be 20 mins before food but I am going to stick to that from now on. Actually, to be fair I think I knew that but I hadn't appreciated how critical it is.

I do recognise the head in the sand approach. I have really just assummed that I could take the pills and carry on as before.

I don't have any of the consiquential effects...yet....but the quack has told me that the levels are so high that any illness that i fall prey to will be worsened.

I have never tried injecting, and with my doctors I don't get prescribed testing equipment very often. I hate doing it anyway and I'm not sure how I will deal with injecting if it comes to it.


Mermaid

12,481 posts

40 months

Steffan

6,178 posts

97 months

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I faced diabetes 22years ago.

Was then 25 1/2 stone and not very tall. And smoking 60 a day.

Consultant confirmed I had two choices. Lose weight or die. Give up smoking or die. Shortly.

Over the next year I lost some 10 stones. And stopped smoking completely.

Never been over 15 stones since. Never had a fag since.

It can be done. It is not easy but it is purely a lifestyle choice.

Unless you want to lose limbs and die young face it.

My sugar was up to 23 when diagnosed. Dropped over a year with the weight loss and dietary changes required to achieve it, with one 40mg Gliclizide a day, to between 5 and 9.

Stayed there ever since until this year when I had to start two tablets a day.

I take a great many tablets for heart, spinal and dietary disorders but I am very fortunate because my constitution is unaffected by any of the medication I take.

Just lucky in that respect.

I can take 800mg of Tramadol a day and function perfectly well.

Most unusual I am told by every doctor I see.

Entirely your choice. You have had the gypsies warning. I would suggest you do not ignore it.

Face facts or face the consequences.

It worked for me it could work for you.

Good luck anyway.




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arguti

497 posts

55 months

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Lose some weight and if that is difficult - use some savings on a personal trainer who will get you fit very fast- much easier if you find t difficult to diet - research has shown losing weight etc can reverse some of the insulin resistance ie need for insulin

Mermaid

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arguti said:
Lose some weight and if that is difficult - use some savings on a personal trainer who will get you fit very fast- much easier if you find t difficult to diet - research has shown losing weight etc can reverse some of the insulin resistance ie need for insulin
yes

arebrec

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92 months

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silverthorn2151 said:
I suppose my plea here is to hear that injecting twice a day with one of those special pens isn't the end of the world?

Feeling rather low about it to be honest.
Sorry to hear, If it makes you feel any better though, my 11year old daughter was diagnosed last October with type1 Diabetes. This means she produces no insulin so had to start checking her blood sugars and giving injections of insulin 4 times daily for the rest of her life.

She is coping really well and the needles they use for the insulin now are so fine and small that she says she can't feel them. She also has to prick her fingers to check her blood, I've had this done and can sting a little but she also has got used to it and finds it no problem.

Let's hope you can sort it out without having to go on insulin, I know that's what I would prefer if I had a choice.

13 DJP

503 posts

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I`ve had type 2 diabetes for the last 6.5 years.

Had it sorted perfectly for the first 3 years on metformin tablets, then had a really bad reaction to the fillers in the tablets and never got it sorted from that point onwards.

Ended up on insulin, Levemir injections once a day, Novorapid injections every time I eat, and 2 x 500mg Glucophage tablets twice a day (also Pravastatin for cholesterol, 5.1 was high apparently!).

If I could do it again I would do absolutely everything I possibly could to avoid insulin, the main side effect being weight gain (I put on 6 stone in less than a year!).

I have managed to lose 1.5 stones recently and am keeping the levels under better control, but it is stupidly hard to do so (next to no carbs at all, ever!)

I absolutely hate it, and it does get me down. I too had a bit of a head in the sand approach and wish now I hadn`t frown

Do everything you can now mate, trust me you really really don`t want insulin. I begged and begged with them not to put me on it and they gave me a year of trying everything before there was no choice. I realise now I did not try everything, just everything that wasn`t too hard!

Get yourself on a really strict diet, and cut out as many carbs as you possibly can, especially at night, eat less, move more. I am now eating a lot of fruit, it works, before I had more or less cut it out completely due to the fructose sugars, however these are no-where near as bad for you as regular sugars and help cut the weight which helps over all.

Best of luck, and if you need any help at all or want to ask any questions, just give me a shout.

Cheers
Dave

Mermaid

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13 DJP said:
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If I could do it again I would do absolutely everything I possibly could to avoid insulin, the main side effect being weight gain (I put on 6 stone in less than a year!).

Cheers
Dave
Check out Byetta, Victoza

Hoofy

47,835 posts

151 months

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I don't know much about diabetes but I do hear that low carb diets are the ones to follow. I only mention this because in my personal experience, it's very easy to follow such a diet, and that is coming from a former crisp monster.

13 DJP

503 posts

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Mermaid said:
Check out Byetta, Victoza
Hmm, looks inetersting, I`ll do a bit of research, cheers thumbup

Robatr0n

11,512 posts

85 months

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arebrec said:
silverthorn2151 said:
I suppose my plea here is to hear that injecting twice a day with one of those special pens isn't the end of the world?

Feeling rather low about it to be honest.
Sorry to hear, If it makes you feel any better though, my 11year old daughter was diagnosed last October with type1 Diabetes. This means she produces no insulin so had to start checking her blood sugars and giving injections of insulin 4 times daily for the rest of her life.

She is coping really well and the needles they use for the insulin now are so fine and small that she says she can't feel them. She also has to prick her fingers to check her blood, I've had this done and can sting a little but she also has got used to it and finds it no problem.

Let's hope you can sort it out without having to go on insulin, I know that's what I would prefer if I had a choice.
Poor little bugger. frown

I'm glad to hear she's coping well though, Tracey.

kelk

922 posts

82 months

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I've been an insulin dependant diabetic for 35 years now and I'm 38 yrs old. I've therefore had it all the way through my childhood, teenage and adult life and been a variety of insulin injection regimes varying from 1/ day all the way to the 4 or 5 /day I am now on.

For those that are unaware, a higher number of injections means more flexibility, not necessarily a badly controlled diet / lifestyle / insulin regime.

For the OP - there really is nothing to fear should you end up on injections. It's just another thing to carry. It may necessitate a man-bag (oops there he goes, he's a ghey-er) just so you can carry the usual $hite plus the insulin pen and test kit.

The only isue I evr really find is making sure i have enough test strips - it seems that GPs don't like dishing out big prescriptions of them, so get your consultant to write to them telling them that they are being stingy with the test strips.

Anyway if you have any questions just let me know.

Robatr0n

11,512 posts

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kelk said:
The only issue I ever really find is making sure I have enough test strips - it seems that GPs don't like dishing out big prescriptions of them, so get your consultant to write to them telling them that they are being stingy with the test strips.
This is by far the most frustrating thing to deal with. I spoke to my consultant who kindly wrote a letter to my GP and I still have an issue getting the test strips. My GP blames the pharmacy and the pharmacy blames my GP... rolleyes

Mermaid

12,481 posts

40 months

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13 DJP said:
Mermaid said:
Check out Byetta, Victoza
Hmm, looks inetersting, I`ll do a bit of research, cheers thumbup
Once a week injection will hopefully be reality soon.

http://www.thepharmaletter.com/file/54268/us-fda-d...

kelk

922 posts

82 months

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Robatr0n said:
This is by far the most frustrating thing to deal with. I spoke to my consultant who kindly wrote a letter to my GP and I still have an issue getting the test strips. My GP blames the pharmacy and the pharmacy blames my GP... rolleyes
You could go for the annoying approach - go to the surgery 4 times a day for a couple of days saying "I've come for my blood test" when they get bored tell them its their fault.

and yes I am ssaying the above as tongue in cheek. Just keep pushing - I reckon its the surgery not the pharmacist. The pharmacist would only care if the prescription was potentially harmful or could be sold on.

gtdc

4,227 posts

152 months

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silverthorn2151 said:
I have had type 2 diabetes for about 6 years. It's never been brilliantly controlled basically because I find it impossible to stick to a diet.
Two things to say.

1) have heard of people having very tricky problems with race licence renewal by letting it get out of hand
2) if we were discussing octane ratings, fuel composition and quality of oil for your car it wouldn't even be up for discussion.

BlackVanDyke

8,026 posts

80 months

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I lived in a nursing home for 9 months in 2008.

When I arrived the next youngest person there after me was Dennis, he was 68.

Dennis was there because after a good few years of wildly out-of-control diabetes, which took from him his job as a trucker and then his driving license altogether, he'd eventually lost both legs just below the hip, all his eyesight, and most of the feeling in his fingers. He'd also had a couple of serious heart attacks, just for good measure.

You are at a fork in the road, one path of which leads you to ending up like Dennis.

It's bad enough having severe, life-shortening disability that you know you could never possibly have avoided - can't imagine what it would be like knowing you'd brought it all on yourself.

Comparitively speaking, a few insulin jabs a day (the needles really are TINY) is trivial.

NoNeed

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69 months

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I'm a type 1 so feel your pain. One of tbe most effective ways of reducing your resistance to insulin is exercise it can work wonders.

I also found this website a godsend diabetessupport.co.uk sorry i cant provide a proper as i am on my phone.
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