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King Herald

23,501 posts

215 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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bacchus180 said:
I have been charting my gentle descent since Feb 15th which is when I basically made a decision that enough was enough,

I'm trying everything.. exercise, diet etc.. it works, then I have a relapse, then it works again...
Remember, it is a long slow process, and it doesn't stop. You can't go 'back to normal' after you reach your goal, or the weight will just come slowly back on.

You don't go ON a diet, you change your diet, forever. I've done it several times, but I can't seem to drop below 90ish kg nowadays, though I'm not really pushing myself. It is better than my 107kg high record though. biggrin

52 years old, so it is time I was more careful.

bacchus180

779 posts

283 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Well Said, Yes I have started to get my head around that.. Its not so much of a diet but a lifestyle change and the way it will remain.

I have more or less given up booze, 1 Bottle of wine in 3 weeks, ( lost the taste for it) Taken up exercise. and moderate the bad stuff I eat, cut quantities and life goes on., the occasional treat just to blow away the cobwebs but generally aware and careful of what I eat.

I'm 46 this summer and am only too aware of how its got to be. The reason I got to this weight was the fact I gave up smoking in June. 30 a day, I was 90kg's and rocketed to 108.

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3,851 posts

149 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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The Major said:
have you been drinking or just your hands hands developed the equivelant to a stutter?? wink
I meant "I've been climbing only 6 or 8 times in the last year and it's not enough"



Lostprophet

2,549 posts

168 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2012
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Before I met my wife I was about 82kg 32 waist. I was 24-25 then. I am not 31. I now weight about 105kg.

I am struggling to lose weight, I had a personal trainner and got down to 99kg after 3 hard months training. Clearly that was not working well enough.

I have now changed my diet in the past week. I have cut out carbs and will see how that works out. I suppose I only have 2 slices of bread a day (i.e. in my sandwich). There is no potatos or rice or any such stuff for dinner. Lets see how that goes.

I do no exercise so I will need to get motivation to get something done.

Sparta VAG

436 posts

146 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Lostprophet said:
I have now changed my diet in the past week. I have cut out carbs and will see how that works out. I suppose I only have 2 slices of bread a day (i.e. in my sandwich). There is no potatos or rice or any such stuff for dinner. Lets see how that goes.

I do no exercise so I will need to get motivation to get something done.
Cutting out carbs isn't necessarily beneficial in the medium and long term. There's a lot of thinking that "carbs are bad" but they aren't, they're the most important source of energy for the body. Without enough carbs your body will start to cannibalise muscle etc to fuel itself and you will lose weight but not in a way that is necessarily healthier in the long run and you'll put it all back on again.

"Healthy" carbs such as veg, fruit, brown rice, wholewheat breat, pasta are absolutely fine as long as you don't binge and they won't fatten you up. Refined carbs like white bread/pasta/rice etc are less healthy for you and cutting these out will help you lose weight in the long run.

A little cardio i.e. swimming/cycling/jogging even just 3 times a week will make an enormous difference to weight loss too.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Sparta VAG said:
Lostprophet said:
I have now changed my diet in the past week. I have cut out carbs and will see how that works out. I suppose I only have 2 slices of bread a day (i.e. in my sandwich). There is no potatos or rice or any such stuff for dinner. Lets see how that goes.

I do no exercise so I will need to get motivation to get something done.
Cutting out carbs isn't necessarily beneficial in the medium and long term. There's a lot of thinking that "carbs are bad" but they aren't, they're the most important source of energy for the body. Without enough carbs your body will start to cannibalise muscle etc to fuel itself and you will lose weight but not in a way that is necessarily healthier in the long run and you'll put it all back on again.

"Healthy" carbs such as veg, fruit, brown rice, wholewheat breat, pasta are absolutely fine as long as you don't binge and they won't fatten you up. Refined carbs like white bread/pasta/rice etc are less healthy for you and cutting these out will help you lose weight in the long run.

A little cardio i.e. swimming/cycling/jogging even just 3 times a week will make an enormous difference to weight loss too.
a lot of the cut the carbs type diets try and encourage the body into ketotic states ... ketotic states , that being the same ketotic states as is a big killer of people with type 1 Diabetes ...

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3,851 posts

149 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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The reason for me starting this thread was to chart the progress, and look for encouragement when it got hard. and this week has been flat. So I was 98.8 Kg last Friday, had one particularly heavy meal time at Lings on Kings (southport) on saturday night, with my family. (Google it - it's a really 'interesting' chineeese with really nice food http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g19...

Did a bit of exercise both Saturday and Sunday (Running with Dog on the Beach), When I weighed in on Tuesday (6am again) I was 98.8 Kg's. Tuesday afternoon I had awful pain in my tummy, which lasted about 3 hours. Yesterday I was 99 kg's and so I felt I had to take action so in the evening so I went on a bike ride for an hour down the side of the river trent. This morning was down to 98.5 kg's but again between 12:30 and 2:30 the pain in my bowels and tummy were excruciating.

Can you have too healthier diet ? I'm had no fat or sugar, since I started, and I'm wondering if my body is complaining.

The symptoms were pretty much what my wife gets with IBS, and that's all stress related. I'd say I'm not stressed but my ezxcema has flared up, which is my usual notice of stress.

Any way, I had a fairly large tea tonight, roast pork and roasted new potatoes and roasted tomatoes, so I expect my weight tomorrow will be higher than today.


Ordinary_Chap

7,520 posts

242 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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New POD said:
The reason for me starting this thread was to chart the progress, and look for encouragement when it got hard. and this week has been flat. So I was 98.8 Kg last Friday, had one particularly heavy meal time at Lings on Kings (southport) on saturday night, with my family. (Google it - it's a really 'interesting' chineeese with really nice food http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g19...

Did a bit of exercise both Saturday and Sunday (Running with Dog on the Beach), When I weighed in on Tuesday (6am again) I was 98.8 Kg's. Tuesday afternoon I had awful pain in my tummy, which lasted about 3 hours. Yesterday I was 99 kg's and so I felt I had to take action so in the evening so I went on a bike ride for an hour down the side of the river trent. This morning was down to 98.5 kg's but again between 12:30 and 2:30 the pain in my bowels and tummy were excruciating.

Can you have too healthier diet ? I'm had no fat or sugar, since I started, and I'm wondering if my body is complaining.

The symptoms were pretty much what my wife gets with IBS, and that's all stress related. I'd say I'm not stressed but my ezxcema has flared up, which is my usual notice of stress.

Any way, I had a fairly large tea tonight, roast pork and roasted new potatoes and roasted tomatoes, so I expect my weight tomorrow will be higher than today.
What does your diet look like?

Also remember portion sizes are probably even more important than the foods you eat. Eating too much of nearly anything will result in gaining weight.

Anyway it sounds like something is off with your symptoms and weight.

Sparta VAG

436 posts

146 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Can you have too healthier diet ? I'm had no fat or sugar, since I started, and I'm wondering if my body is complaining.
Your body will obviously take time to get used to a brand new diet. You do actually need quite a bit of fat though, just make sure it comes from meat/fish/dairy/veg/nut sources rather than man-made stuff like salad dressings, veg oil, cakes, biscuits etc.

It'll do you no harm at all to reduce or cut out sugar from your diet. Your body will make the sugars it needs from carbohydrates, but non-natural sugar i.e. in fizzy drinks, cakes, sweets etc will quickly pile on the weight because it's just too much of an energy hit all in one go and your body stores the excess as fat eventually.

Think someone else has already mentioned it, but don't worry about weighing yourself every day or you'll soon get demotivated. Every week or even every other week will give you a better idea.

Anyhow from what you've posted it looks like you're already 3-4 pounds down in under a month, which is pretty good going.

What are you eating and what exercise are you doing?

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3,851 posts

149 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Food intake Monday to Friday is typically

a) Large Bowl of Cornflakes and Shreaded wheat, with skimmed milk and black coffee (at 6 am)
b) a banana about 10:30
c) Home made ham salad roll, 2 apples, an orange (at 12 noon)
d) Lots of black coffee (at least 6 cups at work)
e) Chicken Piece with Salad and a brown roll (or fish, salad and pasta, or Scrambled egg on toast, or liver and onions on a bed of rice) about 7:30
f) More Fruit whilst watching telly.


Do you know what ? I never drink any water. Doh.

Exercise is Typically

a) Tuesday to Thursday Rain or Shine Cycle the 2 miles each way from my digs to place of work.
a2) If I feel good I'll go for a bike ride for an hour or ride home the long way around.
a) Saturday and Sunday take dog on beach or in woods (Bought a pair of trainers and have started to run in the woods - although I soon have to stop.
c) Trying to get the energy to go climbing once a week (I came home and spelt from 5:30 til 6:45 today so didn't feel up to it)
d) Used to go swimming every wednesday, and there's no excuse not to.

When I look at the amount of food I've cut out - eg Monday morning after driving 110 miles I'd stop at McD's for a pancake breakfast wuth syrup and have 4 sugars in each of my 2 coffees.

Friday afternoon, I'd forgo lunch and stop at a truckers catering caravan on the way home for a "allonbreakfast"

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3,851 posts

149 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Sparta VAG said:
Anyhow from what you've posted it looks like you're already 3-4 pounds down in under a month, which is pretty good going.
I think we are looking at twice that, but it's like digging a hole in the garden of a new build. Easy to get through the top soil, but then you reach the rubble.

DukeDickson

4,721 posts

212 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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New POD said:
Food intake Monday to Friday is typically

a) Large Bowl of Cornflakes and Shreaded wheat, with skimmed milk and black coffee (at 6 am)
b) a banana about 10:30
c) Home made ham salad roll, 2 apples, an orange (at 12 noon)
d) Lots of black coffee (at least 6 cups at work)
e) Chicken Piece with Salad and a brown roll (or fish, salad and pasta, or Scrambled egg on toast, or liver and onions on a bed of rice) about 7:30
f) More Fruit whilst watching telly.


Do you know what ? I never drink any water. Doh.

Exercise is Typically

a) Tuesday to Thursday Rain or Shine Cycle the 2 miles each way from my digs to place of work.
a2) If I feel good I'll go for a bike ride for an hour or ride home the long way around.
a) Saturday and Sunday take dog on beach or in woods (Bought a pair of trainers and have started to run in the woods - although I soon have to stop.
c) Trying to get the energy to go climbing once a week (I came home and spelt from 5:30 til 6:45 today so didn't feel up to it)
d) Used to go swimming every wednesday, and there's no excuse not to.

When I look at the amount of food I've cut out - eg Monday morning after driving 110 miles I'd stop at McD's for a pancake breakfast wuth syrup and have 4 sugars in each of my 2 coffees.

Friday afternoon, I'd forgo lunch and stop at a truckers catering caravan on the way home for a "allonbreakfast"
While I would hazard an opinion that you could tart up the Mon - Fri diet (e.g. rather than a ham salad roll & fruit, how about chicken or turkey salad, without the roll?), the real kicker might be that you mention a Mon - Fri diet and avoid mention of the weekend. You might also be healthy then, but then again, you might be like me and wee away a decent proportion of those gains in that dangerous 48 Hrs. I'm sure I would have hit my goals some time ago were Friday evening - Sunday evening not to exist.

bacchus180

779 posts

283 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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try actually watching calories.. its really really tedious but it focuses your mind, and portion sizes. you are the same weight as me give or take, so typically you burn 2200 calories or there abouts each day, a bit of exercise will enhance that number,

start trimming where you can. get some kitchen scales and look at the back of the packet. large bowl of cornflakes plus milk can be 350+ calories, small bowl of fruit and fibre + mile can be less than 200, it all counts. Its 80% diet. simple eat less move more.. there is no hidden remedy just eat less move more.

I was particularly inspired by a thread in the cycling section here. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... it's probably more aggressive than I can manage but it proves it can be done.

Keep the intake of complex carbs up, dump the processed. DD is right, watch the weekend stuff, count count and count. then treat yourself every so often, once a week.. have a day off, it almost resets the system so it doesn't think you are starving and gives you a huge feel good factor.

Also weigh yourself every other day.. at exactly the same time each time. consistency, as has been pointed out on here already intra day swings happen, so you just need to pick a moment in time.

Keep at it, its not easy.. if you set a realistic target like.. 10kg's in 6 months you can do it, stay focused.

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3,851 posts

149 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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Okay so Friday I was down to 98.5 which is 10 Lbs lost in not quite 4 weeks, and so far I have been very careful not to count calories, and just put foods into 3 groups - Bad, Good, and needed but only in smaller quantities.

I have however started to look on the packets, at the Calorie count, but have yet to add any particular meal up, although I've made buying decisions based on the "lowest".

Funny though, the other day I bought some 'Ansley Harriet' Cous Cous, and the Packet was 100g, and the listing on the back of Calories per portion was for 130g, so you are not getting a full portion in one packet.

Hoofy

76,213 posts

281 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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My favourite stupid saying incoming...

Congrats on your loss! (Try saying that at a funeral. jester )

Calorie-counting isn't difficult (I've been doing it for just under two months). Use MyFitnessPal to log food. You will also see that if you train, you can eat back the calories.

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3,851 posts

149 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Have to say that despite my misgivings about my wife, she went out of her way to ensure that I had tasty but healthy food all weekend, and me having lost 10 Lbs (I have to convert it into old money for her) she was much more amorous than previously. If this is the carrot, then hell the next 18 kg's will not need much motivation.

Ordinary_Chap

7,520 posts

242 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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New POD said:
Have to say that despite my misgivings about my wife, she went out of her way to ensure that I had tasty but healthy food all weekend, and me having lost 10 Lbs (I have to convert it into old money for her) she was much more amorous than previously. If this is the carrot, then hell the next 18 kg's will not need much motivation.
Good man, I'm glad you're moving in the right direction and your wife is being supportive.

People underestimate how much women like a good body. I consider myself pretty average but compared to most I'm like something out of 300.

I can't tell you how much attention it can draw and my current girlfriend fancied me before we actually spoke to each other and its a very powerful thing to your wife/girlfriend to know that others desire you.

I am genuinely a believer that when in relationships we have to constantly make an effort for each other, after all sex is really primarily something that is based on attraction and its important you can remain attractive in that way to your partner. This isn't shallow (like all fat people say) its reality.

Although my motivation for training is very different from the above even if I recognise the power of it. I personally sit behind a desk all day and just love to go and do something physical once a day and push myself.

Hoofy

76,213 posts

281 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Yep, they say they want something deeper but that's the attraction for the emotional and intellectual connection. For swapping of juices, it's back to caveman days even if they don't admit it. Whether it's because you're built like Arnie or have a massive bank account, it's because you're able to look after them and their spawn. Same for blokes. They would rather shag (let's face it, we're talking caveman attractions) a hot bird than something they would only touch after 10 pints.

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3,851 posts

149 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Ordinary_Chap said:
New POD said:
Have to say that despite my misgivings about my wife, she went out of her way to ensure that I had tasty but healthy food all weekend, and me having lost 10 Lbs (I have to convert it into old money for her) she was much more amorous than previously. If this is the carrot, then hell the next 18 kg's will not need much motivation.
Good man, I'm glad you're moving in the right direction and your wife is being supportive.

People underestimate how much women like a good body. I consider myself pretty average but compared to most I'm like something out of 300.

I can't tell you how much attention it can draw and my current girlfriend fancied me before we actually spoke to each other and its a very powerful thing to your wife/girlfriend to know that others desire you.

I am genuinely a believer that when in relationships we have to constantly make an effort for each other, after all sex is really primarily something that is based on attraction and its important you can remain attractive in that way to your partner. This isn't shallow (like all fat people say) its reality.

Although my motivation for training is very different from the above even if I recognise the power of it. I personally sit behind a desk all day and just love to go and do something physical once a day and push myself.
Never really thought about it.

I was very fit when we met, and she was a size 8.

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3,851 posts

149 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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Following a week of Flat Lining thanks to the Royal Cake Celebrations, and BBQ's, I have now hit 96.2 Kg as of this morning.