Why humans crave fatty foods
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mattikake said:
markcoznottz said:
mattikake said:
Fixator at the top of the lift.
My original point was and stands, if someone asked you for an Ab exercise, given all the others available would you suggest a deadlift?
1000% yes. And squats as well. Best two exercises in existence. You strike me as a bit of an armchair expert. My original point was and stands, if someone asked you for an Ab exercise, given all the others available would you suggest a deadlift?
"Please Mr. PT, could you recommend me a good Ab exercise?"
"Hmm, well lets see. There's all kinds of Crunches, Leg raises, Pikes, Body weight and Planks, Stability Ball variants, flat/declined/weighted versions on bench or floor, Kettlebells... but actually sod all that, what you want is a nice deadlift."
Riiiight.
I'm not going to argue my point (much), suffice to say that abdominal muscles are heavily used during the deadlift. Improving the strength of abdominal muscles will have a huge carry over to the deadlift, this is because the deadlift needs strong abs, it also strengthens abs and, as such is a good abdominal exercise. If you take away grip and upper back/Lats then deadlifts essentially work the same muscles as squats (which also involve the abs).
With reference to deadlifting, to say that abdominal use is 'minimal and momentary at the top of a held lift' is just incorrect.
- (when I say 'abs' I refer to all abdominal muscles)
didelydoo said:
If you take away grip and upper back/Lats then deadlifts essentially work the same muscles as squats (which also involve the abs).
With reference to deadlifting, to say that abdominal use is 'minimal and momentary at the top of a held lift' is just incorrect.
- (when I say 'abs' I refer to all abdominal muscles)
Pvapour said:
lower back & abs do work together in keeping a controlled movement (keeps tension there)
but in a lift they would be doing allot less than the lower back muscles, they do act as girdle / cradle as well mind so some tension from here to.
I agree, they do no where near the same work as the back muscles, but they still play a pretty big part in a deadlift.but in a lift they would be doing allot less than the lower back muscles, they do act as girdle / cradle as well mind so some tension from here to.
Deadlifts aren't the best for isolating the abdominal muscles, I also agree, there are better excercises for that. But to say they're not used is wrong.
(also- no offence taken
)didelydoo said:
I'm not going to argue my point (much), suffice to say that abdominal muscles are heavily used during the deadlift. Improving the strength of abdominal muscles will have a huge carry over to the deadlift, this is because the deadlift needs strong abs, it also strengthens abs and, as such is a good abdominal exercise. If you take away grip and upper back/Lats then deadlifts essentially work the same muscles as squats (which also involve the abs).
With reference to deadlifting, to say that abdominal use is 'minimal and momentary at the top of a held lift' is just incorrect.
- (when I say 'abs' I refer to all abdominal muscles)
Copying an edit from earlier:-
the fixator contraction at the top of the lift will also be almost entirely Isometric and while Abs are the muscles best affected (or rather, least detrementally affected) by Isometric exercises, it wouldn't be ideal as Isometric contractions only build strength in the position of the contraction. So in a deadlift this would tend to make the Abs strong mostly in the fully extended position (although for Abs this is handy because they are a core muscle which need strength in this upright position, but this is not the whole picture and not all muscle fibres will be contracted when a muscle is almost fully extended. Full contraction is a fully flexed position). This would mean the benefit for improved strength in the Abs for a full Flexion contractions would be minimal/minimised. For better FROM (Full Range Of Movement) strength, something like an Isotonic Crunch is a more effective exercise.
So while a deadlift will build core strength in a position where core strength is important, particularly for that exercise, it certainly isn't something I'd recommend when someone asks for an Ab exercise (as per my original gripe with the cowboy PT real scenario), otherwise you might as well recommend a deadlift for virtually every posterior or shoulder muscle as well.
Maybe the key point should've been to ask for an isolation Ab exercise, but people asking this question in a gym almost certainly don't know about isolation exercises. It's about interpreting what the customer says into what the customer wants - when someone asks for a good Ab exercise, they almost certainly mean *just* an Ab exercise.
Edited by mattikake on Saturday 30th June 20:05
Manks said:
Cycling especially. I have a 20-mile route I attack as hard as my legs will allow. I can do it more easily at whatever time of the day and whether I have recently eaten or not if I am in ketosis and eating high fat. If I were on a carby diet my performance would be more hit and miss. The same is true of running.
It is an odd sensation and feels like I have exhausted my immediate fuel supplies, but am still able to draw on other resources without loss of performance.
Interesting. I've done 20km+ but not full on exertion while on a low carb diet before using nuts as a fuel source. Seems to work.It is an odd sensation and feels like I have exhausted my immediate fuel supplies, but am still able to draw on other resources without loss of performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5X0i92OZQ&fe...
Really good lecture posted in the Men Who Made Us Fat thread.
Really good lecture posted in the Men Who Made Us Fat thread.
Halb said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5X0i92OZQ&fe...
Really good lecture posted in the Men Who Made Us Fat thread.
Wow! Thanks for posting. Really good lecture posted in the Men Who Made Us Fat thread.
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