Why humans crave fatty foods
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if salad tasted like kebabs id eat it all day.
the other thing to consider..
i used to work in east london, barking to be exact. Fast food or 'dirty chicken' shops were every other shop so it was hard to ignore and also..
£3.00 - Sandwich, crisps & bottle of water = me not full up and not feeling like i had eaten anything
£2.50 - 8 hotwings, chips and a can of sugar = me completely stuffed and wanting an afternoon nap.
modern day people mostly want the best bang for their buck.. i could save 50p and feel like i had actually eaten something.
the other thing to consider..
i used to work in east london, barking to be exact. Fast food or 'dirty chicken' shops were every other shop so it was hard to ignore and also..
£3.00 - Sandwich, crisps & bottle of water = me not full up and not feeling like i had eaten anything
£2.50 - 8 hotwings, chips and a can of sugar = me completely stuffed and wanting an afternoon nap.
modern day people mostly want the best bang for their buck.. i could save 50p and feel like i had actually eaten something.
superkartracer said:
It's very simple to lose fat/weight
You need 1800 calls to run your systems per day, eat 1500 calls, you lose fat/weight as if by magic. That can be 1500 calls of lard or a loaf.... it does not matter.
Thats it.
Eating low carbs and more meat is lethal. A balanced diet and a little moving about will sort you out.
100%You need 1800 calls to run your systems per day, eat 1500 calls, you lose fat/weight as if by magic. That can be 1500 calls of lard or a loaf.... it does not matter.
Thats it.
Eating low carbs and more meat is lethal. A balanced diet and a little moving about will sort you out.
Loads of you on this thread have really unhealthy diets. Faddy low carb mumbo jumbo pseudo science isn't the long term answer, it's for short term weight loss for fatties and usually leads to weight gain afterwards.
Doing more exercise and eating a mixed diet is the way to be healthy.
LordGrover said:
Fancy a lifting contest? Deads, squats, bench - you choose. 
That doesn't mean you're healthy at all, just you can lift heavy objects. You might be a right fat b
d and still be able to lift heavy weights. 
I bet if you're on some wedding dress weight loss low carb diet you can't run or swim very far.
el stovey said:
superkartracer said:
It's very simple to lose fat/weight
You need 1800 calls to run your systems per day, eat 1500 calls, you lose fat/weight as if by magic. That can be 1500 calls of lard or a loaf.... it does not matter.
Thats it.
Eating low carbs and more meat is lethal. A balanced diet and a little moving about will sort you out.
100%You need 1800 calls to run your systems per day, eat 1500 calls, you lose fat/weight as if by magic. That can be 1500 calls of lard or a loaf.... it does not matter.
Thats it.
Eating low carbs and more meat is lethal. A balanced diet and a little moving about will sort you out.
Loads of you on this thread have really unhealthy diets. Faddy low carb mumbo jumbo pseudo science isn't the long term answer, it's for short term weight loss for fatties and usually leads to weight gain afterwards.
Doing more exercise and eating a mixed diet is the way to be healthy.
The point I'm rather badly not making is, low carb, zero carb, high fat, high protein, etc. tends to get all lumped in together. There are benefits to adjusting macros according to your needs and none of them are precisely right for everyone, but to say low carb is lethal is just plain ridiculous.
Most of us who tinker with our diets go for short and maybe extended periods of lower carbs, rarely into ketosis, which is the point where it may have some health implications if maintained for too long.
Most of us who tinker with our diets go for short and maybe extended periods of lower carbs, rarely into ketosis, which is the point where it may have some health implications if maintained for too long.
Liquid Tuna said:
el stovey said:
superkartracer said:
It's very simple to lose fat/weight
You need 1800 calls to run your systems per day, eat 1500 calls, you lose fat/weight as if by magic. That can be 1500 calls of lard or a loaf.... it does not matter.
Thats it.
Eating low carbs and more meat is lethal. A balanced diet and a little moving about will sort you out.
100%You need 1800 calls to run your systems per day, eat 1500 calls, you lose fat/weight as if by magic. That can be 1500 calls of lard or a loaf.... it does not matter.
Thats it.
Eating low carbs and more meat is lethal. A balanced diet and a little moving about will sort you out.
Loads of you on this thread have really unhealthy diets. Faddy low carb mumbo jumbo pseudo science isn't the long term answer, it's for short term weight loss for fatties and usually leads to weight gain afterwards.
Doing more exercise and eating a mixed diet is the way to be healthy.
I am a carb fan, carbs have been around for a lot longer than our relatively new obesity problem. I am not doubting that high protein low carb diets work for a lot of people but I won't try it, if I want to lose weight then I cut out crap not a whole food source.
I eat bread every day, I have carbs every meal = pasta, rice, potatoes and I am not fat. To lose weight I just need to cut out the biscuits etc.
The best diet is a balanced diet IMO
People aren't fat because they eat carbs, they're fat because they don't exercise enough and probably snack on chocolate/biscuits/cakes/sweets/alcohol.
It's all OK in moderation but if you like all the bad stuff, you'll simply have more calories to burn off.
It's not about low carb mumbo jumbo it's about having self control in what you eat and exercising.
It's all OK in moderation but if you like all the bad stuff, you'll simply have more calories to burn off.
It's not about low carb mumbo jumbo it's about having self control in what you eat and exercising.
BenM77 said:
I am a carb fan, carbs have been around for a lot longer than our relatively new obesity problem. I am not doubting that high protein low carb diets work for a lot of people but I won't try it, if I want to lose weight then I cut out crap not a whole food source.
If we started eating animals (meat) 24 hours ago, agriculture (large scale access to carbs) developed four minutes ago and sugar consumption has increased twenty fold in the last five seconds. - Harcombe et al.eta Dodgy formatting. Apols.
Edited by LordGrover on Wednesday 27th June 16:25
LordGrover said:
BenM77 said:
I am a carb fan, carbs have been around for a lot longer than our relatively new obesity problem. I am not doubting that high protein low carb diets work for a lot of people but I won't try it, if I want to lose weight then I cut out crap not a whole food source.
If we started eating animals (meat) 24 hours ago, agriculture (large scale access to carbs) developed four minutes__ ago and sugar consumption has increased twenty fold in the last __five seconds. - Harcombe et al.BenM77 said:
I am a carb fan, carbs have been around for a lot longer than our relatively new obesity problem. I am not doubting that high protein low carb diets work for a lot of people but I won't try it, if I want to lose weight then I cut out crap not a whole food source.
I eat bread every day, I have carbs every meal = pasta, rice, potatoes and I am not fat. To lose weight I just need to cut out the biscuits etc.
The best diet is a balanced diet IMO
Couldn't agree more. Nothing is more maintainable, sustainable and useful than a balanced diet from day 1.I eat bread every day, I have carbs every meal = pasta, rice, potatoes and I am not fat. To lose weight I just need to cut out the biscuits etc.
The best diet is a balanced diet IMO
It's those who are trying to alter their body composition because they haven't had a diet they need since day 1, who are trying out "radical" ideas.
I only push "no carbs before bed" and negative calorie high nutrition foods mixed in with free-range fed (non-grain processed animal feed) meat and fish protein sources, and the lower down the food chain you eat the better (i.e. mackrel instead of tuna or even sardines (baby pilchards) instead of pilchards!)
Milk is the natural growth or protein booster.
Fruit is over-rated.
Broccoli, Carrots, Kale, Spinach, Chicken, Mackrel, Salmon, Eggs, Walnuts, Brazils, Flax seed, Quinoa, Soy beans, Porridge, Milk, Bananas are superfoods that you could almost subsist on entirely alone if you eat them at the right time in the right way.
el stovey said:
People aren't fat because they eat carbs, they're fat because they don't exercise enough and probably snack on chocolate/biscuits/cakes/sweets/alcohol.
It's all OK in moderation but if you like all the bad stuff, you'll simply have more calories to burn off.
It's not about low carb mumbo jumbo it's about having self control in what you eat and exercising.
I've exercised heavily, and not so much. I mean running 30 miles a week, or more often weight training 3-6 days a week.It's all OK in moderation but if you like all the bad stuff, you'll simply have more calories to burn off.
It's not about low carb mumbo jumbo it's about having self control in what you eat and exercising.
Right now I'm doing very little exercise. Not that I'd recommend that, it's just something that's happened over the last few months, also a sedentary occupation.
And on low carb I'm as thin as I've ever been - including when I was running half marathons cross country, and weight training.
What's more I am not hungry, but satisfied ie I don't need self control, except for saying no to sugar and refined carbs, and yes to Steak, eggs, cheese and cream, dark choc and red wine. YMMV
How well would the athletes perform at the Olympics without carbs ?
I get the sugar thing but let's face it, Harcombe et al have products to sell.
Think of any sport where people are at their max fitness = rowing, cycling, running, swimming, boxing/mma, rugby, football etc and they all need carbs.
Again, I have no doubt that low/no carb works very well for some people but lets not sell it as the diet we should be eating.
el stovey said:
That must be complete speculation, there simply isn't enough evidence to back that up. As Ben says, obesity has been around a lot more recently than agriculture.
Heat disease, and Obesity tie into C20th introduction of high sugar, refined carbs and trans fats, and mass produced cheap foods containing these.BenM77 said:
How well would the athletes perform at the Olympics without carbs ?
I get the sugar thing but let's face it, Harcombe et al have products to sell.
Think of any sport where people are at their max fitness = rowing, cycling, running, swimming, boxing/mma, rugby, football etc and they all need carbs.
Again, I have no doubt that low/no carb works very well for some people but lets not sell it as the diet we should be eating.
Yes like I said, work like a Navy or an athlete give them carbs. They'll burn them.I get the sugar thing but let's face it, Harcombe et al have products to sell.
Think of any sport where people are at their max fitness = rowing, cycling, running, swimming, boxing/mma, rugby, football etc and they all need carbs.
Again, I have no doubt that low/no carb works very well for some people but lets not sell it as the diet we should be eating.
But if you're not working like that carbs end up as fat.
Can we agree that not all carbs are good carbs?
White flour/bread/pasta is generally accepted as being a poorer choice than wholemeal for example.
Sugar/sucrose/fructose/etc laden processed 'foods' are basically junk.
Hydrogenated fats are likely/potentially bad for us. Not carbs. My bad. 
Mattikake's list of complex/fibrous carbs contains better choices than most consume.
ETA: I'm not talking about elite athletes here, I'm talking joe public who exercises less than he should and eats crap.
White flour/bread/pasta is generally accepted as being a poorer choice than wholemeal for example.
Sugar/sucrose/fructose/etc laden processed 'foods' are basically junk.
Mattikake's list of complex/fibrous carbs contains better choices than most consume.
ETA: I'm not talking about elite athletes here, I'm talking joe public who exercises less than he should and eats crap.
Edited by LordGrover on Wednesday 27th June 16:42
el stovey said:
People are obese because they are lazy and eat too much. It's not because of eating carbs.
It's all about the carbs. They make you fatter whilst making you hungry. Unbelievable really. Look at the size of young kids now, they are being poisoned by high carb starchy junk food, and it ain't gonna stop any time soon. You can have an opinion but you cannot deny how the body works, we have been sleepwalking into a carb based lifestyle. http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/04/24/5143...
Carbs are ace. If you can't control your weight without cutting out carbs then you're a spaz.
There really is no need to cut them out for the vast majority of folk- just a dieting fad. You'd get the same results with a healthy, balance diet IMO.
I'm off to eat a trifle and go to the gym (this is actually true!)
There really is no need to cut them out for the vast majority of folk- just a dieting fad. You'd get the same results with a healthy, balance diet IMO.
I'm off to eat a trifle and go to the gym (this is actually true!)
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