Why humans crave fatty foods
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Listen to you anti carb followers, it's like religious dogma you're spouting. Blaming carbs for being fat AND making you hungry. 
FFS. Eat a mixed diet and exercise. All things in moderation. It's not rocket science. Carbs aren't making you fat being lazy and eating too much is.
Healthy sporty people eat carbs. Fat people trying to lose weight for a wedding/holiday/operation don't.
FFS. Eat a mixed diet and exercise. All things in moderation. It's not rocket science. Carbs aren't making you fat being lazy and eating too much is.
Healthy sporty people eat carbs. Fat people trying to lose weight for a wedding/holiday/operation don't.
Not read all the thread yet, but I shall.
There is a programme called the Men Who Made Us Fat on Thursdays.
Few comments, sugar intake (and corn syrup creation) has rocketed in the Western diet in the last few decades, exercise levels have not dropped, snack time has become a way of life rather than a treat sitting alongside rapid meal culture change, food companies have actively sought to quash any information relating to the ill effects (like the tobacco companies in the 60s), the UK has 2 thirds of people overweight and one quarter obese.
There is something in the sugar mad foods that switch off the inhibitors in the brain and make people overeat. Combine that with cheap and easily available rich food and the advertising arm of the Imperial Empire, and it = a bulging health problem for the UK...and it is only getting bigger.
There is a programme called the Men Who Made Us Fat on Thursdays.
Few comments, sugar intake (and corn syrup creation) has rocketed in the Western diet in the last few decades, exercise levels have not dropped, snack time has become a way of life rather than a treat sitting alongside rapid meal culture change, food companies have actively sought to quash any information relating to the ill effects (like the tobacco companies in the 60s), the UK has 2 thirds of people overweight and one quarter obese.
There is something in the sugar mad foods that switch off the inhibitors in the brain and make people overeat. Combine that with cheap and easily available rich food and the advertising arm of the Imperial Empire, and it = a bulging health problem for the UK...and it is only getting bigger.
Halb said:
Not read all the thread yet, but I shall.
There is a programme called the Men Who Made Us Fat on Thursdays.
Few comments, sugar intake (and corn syrup creation) has rocketed in the Western diet in the last few decades, exercise levels have not dropped, snack time has become a way of life rather than a treat sitting alongside rapid meal culture change, food companies have actively sought to quash any information relating to the ill effects (like the tobacco companies in the 60s), the UK has 2 thirds of people overweight and one quarter obese.
There is something in the sugar mad foods that switch off the inhibitors in the brain and make people overeat. Combine that with cheap and easily available rich food and the advertising arm of the Imperial Empire, and it = a bulging health problem for the UK...and it is only getting bigger.
But I'm not fat? And I just ate a trifle. Maybe I'm not fat because, using my will power, I managed not to eat 4 trifles....There is a programme called the Men Who Made Us Fat on Thursdays.
Few comments, sugar intake (and corn syrup creation) has rocketed in the Western diet in the last few decades, exercise levels have not dropped, snack time has become a way of life rather than a treat sitting alongside rapid meal culture change, food companies have actively sought to quash any information relating to the ill effects (like the tobacco companies in the 60s), the UK has 2 thirds of people overweight and one quarter obese.
There is something in the sugar mad foods that switch off the inhibitors in the brain and make people overeat. Combine that with cheap and easily available rich food and the advertising arm of the Imperial Empire, and it = a bulging health problem for the UK...and it is only getting bigger.
didelydoo said:
But I'm not fat? And I just ate a trifle. Maybe I'm not fat because, using my will power, I managed not to eat 4 trifles....
Yes, that is the reason!Let's not mention your strongman level workload.
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Edited by Halb on Wednesday 27th June 21:20
Halb said:
There is something in the sugar mad foods that switch off the inhibitors in the brain and make people overeat.
Probably. The reward hormone Dopamine will certainly play a part and is key in any form addiction that I know of - food, drugs, sex, soap operas, nose picking, lazing about, name it. Because of Dopamine + modern free time/leisure/chilling options, and as I tell people while explaining my exercise and diet philosophies; "everyone is addicted to something". But also, it takes longer to switch off the hunger hormone Leptin, than it does to load your stomach with calories. Consider your average chocolate bar. It's rammed with sugar and fat. It's calorific. You can scoff loads of them and quickly. But your stomach only turns off Leptin when it's full (part of the negative feedback loop system - a system that is ONLY reactive, never proactive), by which time you could have 10 x 200kcal choccy bars sat in there. High glycemic choccy bars packed with low quality fats at that.
It's a bad situation on top of a bad situation on top of a bad situation... And a world of dumb distracted drones who don't have time to stop and think, only to obey consumerism.
Believe me, an obesity epidemic is just the beginning of civilisationally destructive levels of decadence. Finding an excuse for obesity will be our next great achievement and we're half way there already...
Edited by mattikake on Wednesday 27th June 23:10
rudecherub said:
el stovey said:
People aren't fat because they eat carbs, they're fat because they don't exercise enough and probably snack on chocolate/biscuits/cakes/sweets/alcohol.
It's all OK in moderation but if you like all the bad stuff, you'll simply have more calories to burn off.
It's not about low carb mumbo jumbo it's about having self control in what you eat and exercising.
I've exercised heavily, and not so much. I mean running 30 miles a week, or more often weight training 3-6 days a week.It's all OK in moderation but if you like all the bad stuff, you'll simply have more calories to burn off.
It's not about low carb mumbo jumbo it's about having self control in what you eat and exercising.
Right now I'm doing very little exercise. Not that I'd recommend that, it's just something that's happened over the last few months, also a sedentary occupation.
And on low carb I'm as thin as I've ever been - including when I was running half marathons cross country, and weight training.
What's more I am not hungry, but satisfied ie I don't need self control, except for saying no to sugar and refined carbs, and yes to Steak, eggs, cheese and cream, dark choc and red wine. YMMV
If you've been an ahtlete for long enough, your body has quite literally become used to it. It's not used to storing energy, it doesn't, even if you have given it every short-term reason to do so.
Your body adapts all the time, to everything, at remarkable levels of detail. Changing how it uses and processes calories and EXCESS calories, is just one of them. Whether these are genetic biological changes, hormonal and enzyme changes or unconscious changes in the autonomic nervous system... who knows and due to human rights, it may be very difficult to ever know. It's probably all 3 and more.
If you wanted to get your body back to being good at storing fat, you would have to work at it, and hard. It would take years of dedicated over-eating and little exercise. And even then, it may depend on how many fat cells you grew up to the age of 16yo, what your somatotype is coupled with genetics, stress, environment and so on.
But while these excuses may make up say 50% of the profile, the other 50% is not being a dumb self-indulgent twonk.
mattikake said:
Stuff and
It's a bad situation on top of a bad situation on top of a bad situation... And a world of dumb distracted drones who don't have time to stop and think, only to obey consumerism.
I simplified what the prog said.It's a bad situation on top of a bad situation on top of a bad situation... And a world of dumb distracted drones who don't have time to stop and think, only to obey consumerism.
Watch it, I think the bit on the corporations/advertising may well make you laugh/cry depending on your personality.
Hate to have to requote myself, but I'm aware there are passive searchers and readers on PH...
But also, it takes longer to switch off the hunger hormone Leptin, than it does to load your stomach with calories. Consider your average chocolate bar. It's rammed with sugar and fat. It's calorific. You can scoff loads of them and quickly. But your stomach only turns off Leptin when it's full (part of the negative feedback loop system - a system that is ONLY reactive, never proactive), by which time you could have 10 x 200kcal choccy bars sat in there. High glycemic choccy bars packed with low quality fats at that.
It's a bad situation on top of a bad situation on top of a bad situation... And a world of dumb distracted drones who don't have time to stop and think, only to obey consumerism.
Believe me, an obesity epidemic is just the beginning of civilisationally destructive levels of decadence. Finding an excuse for obesity will be our next great achievement and we're half way there already...
Watch it, I think the bit on the corporations/advertising may well make you laugh/cry depending on your personality.Hmm... I've watched part 1 now and it appears to be saying almost exactly the same as me.
2 different and independant source of nutritional informtion - me and a TV programme incorporating many nutritionists - only bolsters the likelyhood of truth still further. i.e. It's not media sensationalism. It's real.
mattikake said:
Halb said:
There is something in the sugar mad foods that switch off the inhibitors in the brain and make people overeat.
Probably. The reward hormone Dopamine will certainly play a part and is key in any form addiction that I know of - food, drugs, sex, soap operas, nose picking, lazing about, name it. Because of Dopamine + modern free time/leisure/chilling options, and as I tell people while explaining my exercise and diet philosophies; "everyone is addicted to something". But also, it takes longer to switch off the hunger hormone Leptin, than it does to load your stomach with calories. Consider your average chocolate bar. It's rammed with sugar and fat. It's calorific. You can scoff loads of them and quickly. But your stomach only turns off Leptin when it's full (part of the negative feedback loop system - a system that is ONLY reactive, never proactive), by which time you could have 10 x 200kcal choccy bars sat in there. High glycemic choccy bars packed with low quality fats at that.
It's a bad situation on top of a bad situation on top of a bad situation... And a world of dumb distracted drones who don't have time to stop and think, only to obey consumerism.
Believe me, an obesity epidemic is just the beginning of civilisationally destructive levels of decadence. Finding an excuse for obesity will be our next great achievement and we're half way there already...
Halb said:
mattikake said:
Stuff and
It's a bad situation on top of a bad situation on top of a bad situation... And a world of dumb distracted drones who don't have time to stop and think, only to obey consumerism.
I simplified what the prog said.It's a bad situation on top of a bad situation on top of a bad situation... And a world of dumb distracted drones who don't have time to stop and think, only to obey consumerism.
Watch it, I think the bit on the corporations/advertising may well make you laugh/cry depending on your personality.
2 different and independant source of nutritional informtion - me and a TV programme incorporating many nutritionists - only bolsters the likelyhood of truth still further. i.e. It's not media sensationalism. It's real.
Do all personal trainers have to know this much detail about metabolism? i mean leptin production from the stomach is a relatively new discovery so tbh i'm impressed with your knowledge.
I get that its your area of expertise and so you are very focused on it but even so you're more on a par with a dietician or bloody doctor than someone who tells people like katie price to do one more leg lift.
I get that its your area of expertise and so you are very focused on it but even so you're more on a par with a dietician or bloody doctor than someone who tells people like katie price to do one more leg lift.
carbs are without doubt the biggest learn to loosing weight. but....
every single person is different in the way their body reacts to carbs. fact.
just because low carb diet works for you, doesn't mean it will for the person next to you.
read up on how to understand YOUR bodies own process & this will be the first part in creating a plan that is easy to stick to for life.
one piece of information from one persons experience might hit the jackpot for you but you'll still be left not understanding your particular body.
it's not rocket science (as someone said) but you do have to learn, a sustainable, non fad way of eating for the rest of your life is worth it, you'll never have to think about it again once you've worked it out.
ignore if you like
every single person is different in the way their body reacts to carbs. fact.
just because low carb diet works for you, doesn't mean it will for the person next to you.
read up on how to understand YOUR bodies own process & this will be the first part in creating a plan that is easy to stick to for life.
one piece of information from one persons experience might hit the jackpot for you but you'll still be left not understanding your particular body.
it's not rocket science (as someone said) but you do have to learn, a sustainable, non fad way of eating for the rest of your life is worth it, you'll never have to think about it again once you've worked it out.
ignore if you like
Pvapour said:
carbs are without doubt the biggest learn to loosing weight. but....
every single person is different in the way their body reacts to carbs. fact.
just because low carb diet works for you, doesn't mean it will for the person next to you.
read up on how to understand YOUR bodies own process & this will be the first part in creating a plan that is easy to stick to for life.
one piece of information from one persons experience might hit the jackpot for you but you'll still be left not understanding your particular body.
it's not rocket science (as someone said) but you do have to learn, a sustainable, non fad way of eating for the rest of your life is worth it, you'll never have to think about it again once you've worked it out.
ignore if you like
Hi buddy, long time no see! Its good to see you back around here! every single person is different in the way their body reacts to carbs. fact.
just because low carb diet works for you, doesn't mean it will for the person next to you.
read up on how to understand YOUR bodies own process & this will be the first part in creating a plan that is easy to stick to for life.
one piece of information from one persons experience might hit the jackpot for you but you'll still be left not understanding your particular body.
it's not rocket science (as someone said) but you do have to learn, a sustainable, non fad way of eating for the rest of your life is worth it, you'll never have to think about it again once you've worked it out.
ignore if you like
Pvapour for those that don't know if one of the few really knowledgeable folk on this forum!
Cheers all. I don't for a moment think I know it all, but I have a good idea and I like to read up on stuff in my spare time, for the fun of it.
Basically there are two types of Personal Trainers, f
kwits and people like me.
The fkwit is a drop-out of low intelligence. Being someone of low intelligence, they even chose poorly when deciding what courses to use to become a PT, so they go for fast-track private sector courses like Training Room, Premier Training or an internally gym-funded one where you could become a PT in as little as 6 weeks! The problem of course with private sector education is that they are a business, and to be successful, they must offer guaranteed pass-rates. This means the course is easy, brief and they have even been known to cheat to help fkwits pass the course.
The people like me choose a proper 2 year academic course at a recognised college - in my case, Bletchley Sports College. Their funding and candidate supply is guaranteed by the system. They do not care if you fail. There were 7 clear fkwits on my course. They all failed. Some of them I know are still practicing PT's either without insurance or by using a fast-track course instead.
The fkwit, being of low IQ, isn't in it to do a good job. They are out to make money, because someone said you can earn £60Kpa and like a fkwit, they believed it. They forget things. They don't understand basic biological processes. Worst of all they cannot picture in their mind how molecules become proteins, how proteins become metabolism and how metabolism becomes biology. They cannot marry theory with the big picture.
Me being of a decent IQ, can remember everything I'm told. I think about what I'm told. I tie the small picture in with the big picture. I make sense of it. I understand. Consequently I understand there are inevitable holes in my knowledge. I become curious. I like to understand more. I find out.
I'd say 70% of PT's are fkwits. Even some of those that appear to be good and can even get results, are possible to still be mental fkwits.
Trouble is there are no industry watchdogs. One of my fantasy aims is to pose as a client and put hidden camera's about my person and ask them basic questions, that a client might. If they get them wrong, they will star on an anonymous YouTube channel. Sometimes with a good fkwit you don't even need to use a hidden camera. I have already gotten away with using my smartphone and the art of distraction to get clear evidence. I'm still deciding what to do with it. No doubt I'll get arrested for caring about peoples' safety and health by daring to harm a viable economy...
Basically there are two types of Personal Trainers, f
kwits and people like me.The f
kwit is a drop-out of low intelligence. Being someone of low intelligence, they even chose poorly when deciding what courses to use to become a PT, so they go for fast-track private sector courses like Training Room, Premier Training or an internally gym-funded one where you could become a PT in as little as 6 weeks! The problem of course with private sector education is that they are a business, and to be successful, they must offer guaranteed pass-rates. This means the course is easy, brief and they have even been known to cheat to help fkwits pass the course.The people like me choose a proper 2 year academic course at a recognised college - in my case, Bletchley Sports College. Their funding and candidate supply is guaranteed by the system. They do not care if you fail. There were 7 clear f
kwits on my course. They all failed. Some of them I know are still practicing PT's either without insurance or by using a fast-track course instead.The f
kwit, being of low IQ, isn't in it to do a good job. They are out to make money, because someone said you can earn £60Kpa and like a fkwit, they believed it. They forget things. They don't understand basic biological processes. Worst of all they cannot picture in their mind how molecules become proteins, how proteins become metabolism and how metabolism becomes biology. They cannot marry theory with the big picture.Me being of a decent IQ, can remember everything I'm told. I think about what I'm told. I tie the small picture in with the big picture. I make sense of it. I understand. Consequently I understand there are inevitable holes in my knowledge. I become curious. I like to understand more. I find out.
I'd say 70% of PT's are f
kwits. Even some of those that appear to be good and can even get results, are possible to still be mental fkwits.Trouble is there are no industry watchdogs. One of my fantasy aims is to pose as a client and put hidden camera's about my person and ask them basic questions, that a client might. If they get them wrong, they will star on an anonymous YouTube channel. Sometimes with a good f
kwit you don't even need to use a hidden camera. I have already gotten away with using my smartphone and the art of distraction to get clear evidence. I'm still deciding what to do with it. No doubt I'll get arrested for caring about peoples' safety and health by daring to harm a viable economy...
mattikake said:
Cheers all. I don't for a moment think I know it all, but I have a good idea and I like to read up on stuff in my spare time, for the fun of it.
Basically there are two types of Personal Trainers, fkwits and people like me.
The fkwit is a drop-out of low intelligence. Being someone of low intelligence, they even chose poorly when deciding what courses to use to become a PT, so they go for fast-track private sector courses like Training Room, Premier Training or an internally gym-funded one where you could become a PT in as little as 6 weeks! The problem of course with private sector education is that they are a business, and to be successful, they must offer guaranteed pass-rates. This means the course is easy, brief and they have even been known to cheat to help fkwits pass the course.
The people like me choose a proper 2 year academic course at a recognised college - in my case, Bletchley Sports College. Their funding and candidate supply is guaranteed by the system. They do not care if you fail. There were 7 clear fkwits on my course. They all failed. Some of them I know are still practicing PT's either without insurance or by using a fast-track course instead.
The fkwit, being of low IQ, isn't in it to do a good job. They are out to make money, because someone said you can earn £60Kpa and like a fkwit, they believed it. They forget things. They don't understand basic biological processes. Worst of all they cannot picture in their mind how molecules become proteins, how proteins become metabolism and how metabolism becomes biology. They cannot marry theory with the big picture.
Me being of a decent IQ, can remember everything I'm told. I think about what I'm told. I tie the small picture in with the big picture. I make sense of it. I understand. Consequently I understand there are inevitable holes in my knowledge. I become curious. I like to understand more. I find out.
I'd say 70% of PT's are fkwits. Even some of those that appear to be good and can even get results, are possible to still be mental fkwits.
Trouble is there are no industry watchdogs. One of my fantasy aims is to pose as a client and put hidden camera's about my person and ask them basic questions, that a client might. If they get them wrong, they will star on an anonymous YouTube channel. Sometimes with a good fkwit you don't even need to use a hidden camera. I have already gotten away with using my smartphone and the art of distraction to get clear evidence. I'm still deciding what to do with it. No doubt I'll get arrested for caring about peoples' safety and health by daring to harm a viable economy...
Well good on you mate. Basically there are two types of Personal Trainers, f
kwits and people like me.The f
kwit is a drop-out of low intelligence. Being someone of low intelligence, they even chose poorly when deciding what courses to use to become a PT, so they go for fast-track private sector courses like Training Room, Premier Training or an internally gym-funded one where you could become a PT in as little as 6 weeks! The problem of course with private sector education is that they are a business, and to be successful, they must offer guaranteed pass-rates. This means the course is easy, brief and they have even been known to cheat to help fkwits pass the course.The people like me choose a proper 2 year academic course at a recognised college - in my case, Bletchley Sports College. Their funding and candidate supply is guaranteed by the system. They do not care if you fail. There were 7 clear f
kwits on my course. They all failed. Some of them I know are still practicing PT's either without insurance or by using a fast-track course instead.The f
kwit, being of low IQ, isn't in it to do a good job. They are out to make money, because someone said you can earn £60Kpa and like a fkwit, they believed it. They forget things. They don't understand basic biological processes. Worst of all they cannot picture in their mind how molecules become proteins, how proteins become metabolism and how metabolism becomes biology. They cannot marry theory with the big picture.Me being of a decent IQ, can remember everything I'm told. I think about what I'm told. I tie the small picture in with the big picture. I make sense of it. I understand. Consequently I understand there are inevitable holes in my knowledge. I become curious. I like to understand more. I find out.
I'd say 70% of PT's are f
kwits. Even some of those that appear to be good and can even get results, are possible to still be mental fkwits.Trouble is there are no industry watchdogs. One of my fantasy aims is to pose as a client and put hidden camera's about my person and ask them basic questions, that a client might. If they get them wrong, they will star on an anonymous YouTube channel. Sometimes with a good f
kwit you don't even need to use a hidden camera. I have already gotten away with using my smartphone and the art of distraction to get clear evidence. I'm still deciding what to do with it. No doubt I'll get arrested for caring about peoples' safety and health by daring to harm a viable economy...It's nice to see someone doing their own reading to further their understanding, in my course we weren't lectured on digestive enzymes to the level that you know so the acidic lipases weren't mentioned because they are less efficient and therefore of less importance to us in the broad scheme of things. However, now i know they exist i've been doing some reading up on them and it's a bit annoying that although we dont need to pay much attention to them it would still be nice to know that they existed.
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