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Ordinary_Chap said:
Hoofy said:
Halb said:
Hoofy said:
Check out "carb backloading". There's also "carb cycling".
Do you do this?Backloading does make sense, though.
Edited by Hoofy on Thursday 12th July 11:45
There's lots of different routes to great shape and folk will argue their method is best but the truth is as long as its healthy and gets you to your goal then it really doesn't matter too much.
I stay low carb 6 days a week and then enjoy a day of eating/drinking whatever suits me and that works so essentially week days are a relatively strict diet and the Saturday and sometimes Sunday where I do most of my socializing involve letting go. In the early days for those that need to lose a decent amount of weight you'll need to be strict but once you are fairly lean you can be far more relaxed.
I've also found as I've gained muscle mass it gets far easier (5'10 nearly 16st) to stay lean especially when combined with intensive training for me which is 3-4 days of lifting hard and intensely for 45 minutes.
Justayellowbadge said:
otolith said:
What kind of barbarian shoves roast potatoes up his arse without a roast chicken and some cabbage?
Exactly the same kind of barbarian who shoves roast potatoes up his arse with a roast chicken and some cabbage, only with slightly less disposable income.pilchardthecat said:
Hoofy said:
Check out "carb backloading". There's also "carb cycling".
Just read up on that - it seems to advise - skipping breakfast completely (ie staying in a post-sleep catabolic state for longer = bad for muscle groth)
- eating loads of carbs last thing at night (ie just when the body is most likely to convert them straight to fat = bad for fat loss)
For every 1 person that seems to thing the above is a good idea, there will be 1000 who say the exact opposite (carbs in the morning, none after 6pm, protein/aminos at night)
'Course, people have been recommending the food pyramid for decades as follows:
And the best way of losing weight quickly? Turn it upside down.
Added to that, I've never ever, ever obeyed that not eating late at night thing. I've never been properly fat.
Edited by Hoofy on Thursday 12th July 15:29
Hoofy said:
You'll hate intermittent fasting, then.
'Course, people have been recommending the food pyramid for decades as follows:
And the best way of losing weight quickly? Turn it upside down.
Added to that, I've never ever, ever obeyed that not eating late at night thing. I've never been properly fat.
There isn't a "not eating late at night" thing, it's more of an "avoid carbs late at night" - you can eat as much red meat/cheese/etc as you want 'Course, people have been recommending the food pyramid for decades as follows:
And the best way of losing weight quickly? Turn it upside down.
Added to that, I've never ever, ever obeyed that not eating late at night thing. I've never been properly fat.
Edited by Hoofy on Thursday 12th July 15:29
pilchardthecat said:
There isn't a "not eating late at night" thing, it's more of an "avoid carbs late at night" - you can eat as much red meat/cheese/etc as you want
Depends who you ask. "Breakfast like a king" etc didn't come from nowhere. People seem convinced that you will store it all as fat if you eat late at night.BettySwollocks2 said:
DukeDickson said:
6' & 11 stone has to be anorexia central and a sign of a potential student life not lived, surely? I'm a touch taller and would look very ill at that weight. Very, very ill.
have to agree Im 6 ft 3 and 14 stone and Im trying to bulk to 15 stone... when I was 11 stone 10 about a year an a half ago I looked genuinely Ill.. gaunt features and had the body of a 12 year old. 
Genuine question . . . can either of you can imagine a phenotype that isn't "anorexic" at that weight and height? Yes or no?
dangerousB said:
BettySwollocks2 said:
DukeDickson said:
6' & 11 stone has to be anorexia central and a sign of a potential student life not lived, surely? I'm a touch taller and would look very ill at that weight. Very, very ill.
have to agree Im 6 ft 3 and 14 stone and Im trying to bulk to 15 stone... when I was 11 stone 10 about a year an a half ago I looked genuinely Ill.. gaunt features and had the body of a 12 year old. Genuine question . . . can either of you can imagine a phenotype that isn't "anorexic" at that weight and height? Yes or no?
pilchardthecat said:
Hoofy said:
Check out "carb backloading". There's also "carb cycling".
Just read up on that - it seems to advise - skipping breakfast completely (ie staying in a post-sleep catabolic state for longer = bad for muscle groth)
- eating loads of carbs last thing at night (ie just when the body is most likely to convert them straight to fat = bad for fat loss)
For every 1 person that seems to thing the above is a good idea, there will be 1000 who say the exact opposite (carbs in the morning, none after 6pm, protein/aminos at night)
dangerousB said:
BettySwollocks2 said:
DukeDickson said:
6' & 11 stone has to be anorexia central and a sign of a potential student life not lived, surely? I'm a touch taller and would look very ill at that weight. Very, very ill.
have to agree Im 6 ft 3 and 14 stone and Im trying to bulk to 15 stone... when I was 11 stone 10 about a year an a half ago I looked genuinely Ill.. gaunt features and had the body of a 12 year old. Genuine question . . . can either of you can imagine a phenotype that isn't "anorexic" at that weight and height? Yes or no?
HonestIago said:
pilchardthecat said:
Hoofy said:
Check out "carb backloading". There's also "carb cycling".
Just read up on that - it seems to advise - skipping breakfast completely (ie staying in a post-sleep catabolic state for longer = bad for muscle groth)
- eating loads of carbs last thing at night (ie just when the body is most likely to convert them straight to fat = bad for fat loss)
For every 1 person that seems to thing the above is a good idea, there will be 1000 who say the exact opposite (carbs in the morning, none after 6pm, protein/aminos at night)
Haaaad about,
I've read that the late night carbs thing is bullsh t, and I'd agree.
The point if the rule is more directed to those who, erm, are prone to 'eating'. I.e sitting on the sofa, nothing to do but eat.
Telling folk they can't eat carbs after a certain time forces them into eating fats, which are more filling, therefore you eat less. Pretty sure the body doesn't care what time you eat.
What is interesting though, is eating in sequence. I've read (could be b0llocks) that the stomach will queue food in order to release the correct enzyme to break it down. Water is dealt with immediately, fried chicken is dealt with last. Makes sense if you think about it, but I'd be astonished if my gut is really that organised!!! : )
I've read that the late night carbs thing is bullsh t, and I'd agree.
The point if the rule is more directed to those who, erm, are prone to 'eating'. I.e sitting on the sofa, nothing to do but eat.
Telling folk they can't eat carbs after a certain time forces them into eating fats, which are more filling, therefore you eat less. Pretty sure the body doesn't care what time you eat.
What is interesting though, is eating in sequence. I've read (could be b0llocks) that the stomach will queue food in order to release the correct enzyme to break it down. Water is dealt with immediately, fried chicken is dealt with last. Makes sense if you think about it, but I'd be astonished if my gut is really that organised!!! : )
Squirrelofwoe said:
dangerousB said:
BettySwollocks2 said:
DukeDickson said:
6' & 11 stone has to be anorexia central and a sign of a potential student life not lived, surely? I'm a touch taller and would look very ill at that weight. Very, very ill.
have to agree Im 6 ft 3 and 14 stone and Im trying to bulk to 15 stone... when I was 11 stone 10 about a year an a half ago I looked genuinely Ill.. gaunt features and had the body of a 12 year old. Genuine question . . . can either of you can imagine a phenotype that isn't "anorexic" at that weight and height? Yes or no?
I'm 5'9" too and reckon 11 Stone would be about right (I'm trying to get down to 11.5, but seem to be stuck in the 11s mostly due to weak will) - A few months back I was 13 stone and that was too much.
I'm not bulked up, so I'm sure you could easily be my height and 13 stone and very healthy, but 6' and 11 stone sounds very lean (the kind of look long distance runners often have, but I don't consider that necessarily healthy).
M
marcosgt said:
6' and 11 stone sounds very lean (the kind of look long distance runners often have, but I don't consider that necessarily healthy).
M
The only downside I found about being very lean is that I got cold quickly (no insulation y'see M
).I'm not sure how to define "healthy" either, but it probably would only have a minor component of "looking healthy" and be more focused on eating a good diet, doing exercise, sleeping well, staying hydrated.
ewenm said:
dangerousB said:
DukeDickson said:
6' & 11 stone has to be anorexia central
Absolute rubbish.If someone is 6ft and anorexic, at 11stone they're not very good at being anorexic
I'm that height and usually weigh less that that, eat a lot and run a lot. It's normal. What's not normal is sitting down all day in front of a computer, followed by sitting in front of the TV in the evening. Humans aren't evolved for that 
ks. 6ft and 11st gives a BMI of 20.9, close to the middle of the 'ideal weight' range of 18.5–24.9.Yep people talk right wk...
Before bed i have carb snack and Milk as strangely enough the body repairs itself in REM sleep mode so needs the fuel.
Only the utter brain dead would think eating before bed means food turns into fat.
It only turns into fat if you've stuffed your fat face with crap in the day and gone over the cals you require.
Simple, people are fat because they eat too much and sit on their arse, going on these silly meat diets is dangerous but then it's your heart/kidneys i guess.
k...Before bed i have carb snack and Milk as strangely enough the body repairs itself in REM sleep mode so needs the fuel.
Only the utter brain dead would think eating before bed means food turns into fat.
It only turns into fat if you've stuffed your fat face with crap in the day and gone over the cals you require.
Simple, people are fat because they eat too much and sit on their arse, going on these silly meat diets is dangerous but then it's your heart/kidneys i guess.
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