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TwigtheWonderkid
6,329 posts
20 months
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I'd be pretty annoyed if I ordered tickets to see The Cure in concern, and got sent Placebo tickets instead!
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BlackVanDyke
8,139 posts
81 months
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Nimby said: MacGee said: Oh boy! Have any of you actually read proper scientific literature on it?
A nice easy read is a recent book by Simon Singh called Trick or Treatment.... Also "Bad Science" by Ben Goldacre. Funny yet sobering debunking of quackery, but he's equally tough on certain pharmaceutical companies.  Goldacre is brilliant. I really struggle with people who are so credulous, I just can't understand how an apparently bright and educated person can be so credulous, the entire 'theory' is holier than the Vatican.
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Art0ir
Original Poster
3,810 posts
40 months
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TwigtheWonderkid said: I'd be pretty annoyed if I ordered tickets to see The Cure in concern, and got sent Placebo tickets instead! Superb 
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TheEnd
12,286 posts
58 months
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Art0ir said: TwigtheWonderkid said: I'd be pretty annoyed if I ordered tickets to see The Cure in concern, and got sent Placebo tickets instead! Superb You'd get a blank cassette that was in the same room as a Placebo cassette.
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MacGee
2,169 posts
100 months
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Art0ir said: TwigtheWonderkid said: I'd be pretty annoyed if I ordered tickets to see The Cure in concern, and got sent Placebo tickets instead! Superb Now that's clever!
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,329 posts
20 months
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MacGee said: Art0ir said: TwigtheWonderkid said: I'd be pretty annoyed if I ordered tickets to see The Cure in concern, and got sent Placebo tickets instead! Superb Now that's clever! I'd be quite happy to get tickets for a band called Prevention. Apparently, they're better than The Cure!
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Jasandjules
45,858 posts
99 months
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Just found out that some people with access to the most expensive medical treatment in the world, use homeopathy. The UK Royal Family.
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Halb
18,113 posts
53 months
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Jasandjules said: Just found out that some people with access to the most expensive medical treatment in the world, use homeopathy. The UK Royal Family. Corgi's too?
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Frik
11,979 posts
113 months
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Jasandjules said: Just found out that some people with access to the most expensive medical treatment in the world, use homeopathy. The UK Royal Family. Good for them. What is your point?
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Dr Jekyll
5,737 posts
131 months
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Jasandjules said: Just found out that some people with access to the most expensive medical treatment in the world, use homeopathy. The UK Royal Family. Not even the most expensive treatment in the world can cure a tendency to believe in ridiculous hogwash.
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GWC
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65 months
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Jasandjules
45,858 posts
99 months
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Dr Jekyll said: Not even the most expensive treatment in the world can cure a tendency to believe in ridiculous hogwash. Well that is true enough. I guess you could ask them if it works...
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Oakey
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86 months
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MacGee
2,169 posts
100 months
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Some people just need to believe in quackery and can't use intelligent logic to discern between proper evidence based treatment ........and s  te! There is no cure for them!
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madbadger
9,189 posts
114 months
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Oakey said: Herbal remedies or using natural ingredients as medicine is a wildly different thing to hemepathy, where all of the 'active' ingedient has been removed. Not the same thing at all.
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Silent1
17,642 posts
105 months
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TwigtheWonderkid said: My understanding of the placebo effect is that it can be effective in pain relief, but that's about it.
If I have a headache and I unknowingly take Smarties instead of Ibuprofen, my headache may go away, because I expect it to.
But if I have appendicitis and I'm rushed into hospital, and they don't treat me, but tell me they've taken it out, and I believe them......I will die in agony!!! My appendix won't stop hurting or bursting just because I believe it has been removed and can do me no harm.
Or have I got that wrong. Placebo works on everything not just pain killers, IIRC it's even been shown to have a positive effect on cancer, the more serious the placebo the more it works as well, a saline injection does more than a sugar pill and a painful injection works more than saline!
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MacGee
2,169 posts
100 months
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its been proven that placebos given by a doctor in a white coat...and thecolour of tablet works..as does its size. you should def read the book I mentioned.
not sure it workd for disease..just the symptoms.
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Nimby
276 posts
20 months
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MacGee said: its been proven that placebos given by a doctor in a white coat...and thecolour of tablet works..as does its size. you should def read the book I mentioned.
not sure it workd for disease..just the symptoms. Yes - ISTR red sugar pills work better than blue sugar pills, two sugar pills work better than one, and saline injections work much better than pills.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,329 posts
20 months
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Silent1 said: TwigtheWonderkid said: My understanding of the placebo effect is that it can be effective in pain relief, but that's about it.
If I have a headache and I unknowingly take Smarties instead of Ibuprofen, my headache may go away, because I expect it to.
But if I have appendicitis and I'm rushed into hospital, and they don't treat me, but tell me they've taken it out, and I believe them......I will die in agony!!! My appendix won't stop hurting or bursting just because I believe it has been removed and can do me no harm.
Or have I got that wrong. Placebo works on everything not just pain killers, IIRC it's even been shown to have a positive effect on cancer, the more serious the placebo the more it works as well, a saline injection does more than a sugar pill and a painful injection works more than saline! I'd like to see the evidence for any placebo having a positive effect on cancer. It might have an effect on the pain you feel, but no cancer ever got cured by someone being told they were having chemo when they weren't.
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Silent1
17,642 posts
105 months
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TwigtheWonderkid said: Silent1 said: TwigtheWonderkid said: My understanding of the placebo effect is that it can be effective in pain relief, but that's about it.
If I have a headache and I unknowingly take Smarties instead of Ibuprofen, my headache may go away, because I expect it to.
But if I have appendicitis and I'm rushed into hospital, and they don't treat me, but tell me they've taken it out, and I believe them......I will die in agony!!! My appendix won't stop hurting or bursting just because I believe it has been removed and can do me no harm.
Or have I got that wrong. Placebo works on everything not just pain killers, IIRC it's even been shown to have a positive effect on cancer, the more serious the placebo the more it works as well, a saline injection does more than a sugar pill and a painful injection works more than saline! I'd like to see the evidence for any placebo having a positive effect on cancer. It might have an effect on the pain you feel, but no cancer ever got cured by someone being told they were having chemo when they weren't. I didn't say it cured it, a reduction in symptoms is a positive effect: http://m.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEff...
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