Olympic bodies - evidence that nothing beats simple training
Discussion
Tiggsy said:
Been reading up on carb back loading, etc....and while watching the diving/swimming realised that hard training, good simple eating and you'll get a body 99% of the world would kill for.
Yup, it's pretty simple stuff: hard work + sensible diet. People like to over think it though, looking to the holy grail of training and diet. Less thinking, more doing is the way to get things done.Essentially true but a lot of Olympic bodies are chemically enhanced, just remember that.
Another thing is that normal people do not have the time to train all day every day like athletes. Protocols like carb-backloading are an excellent way for the rest of us to stay in shape whilst doing a moderate amount of training/exercise and still enjoying our food.
Another thing is that normal people do not have the time to train all day every day like athletes. Protocols like carb-backloading are an excellent way for the rest of us to stay in shape whilst doing a moderate amount of training/exercise and still enjoying our food.
HonestIago said:
Essentially true but a lot of Olympic bodies are chemically enhanced, just remember that.
Another thing is that normal people do not have the time to train all day every day like athletes. Protocols like carb-backloading are an excellent way for the rest of us to stay in shape whilst doing a moderate amount of training/exercise and still enjoying our food.
You don't need to 'train all day every day'.I know many people who don't know what carb-backloading is and who do a moderate amount of exercise and are in excellent shape.If you want to in very good shape you have to make some sacrifices and enjoying your food might have to be one of them.The people I'm referring to are dedicated that's all.Another thing is that normal people do not have the time to train all day every day like athletes. Protocols like carb-backloading are an excellent way for the rest of us to stay in shape whilst doing a moderate amount of training/exercise and still enjoying our food.
HonestIago said:
Essentially true but a lot of Olympic bodies are chemically enhanced, just remember that.
Another thing is that normal people do not have the time to train all day every day like athletes.
+1Another thing is that normal people do not have the time to train all day every day like athletes.
Atheletes will be at the very least loading themselves daily with any and every legal supplement that is even suspected of helping.
Creatine
BCAA's
L-Glutamine
ZMA
Nitric Oxide
Multivitamins
Dare I also suggest that occationally you might find the odd Atheletes here and there who have originally 'built' their physique using steroids, growth hormone, testosterone and other such things, before laying off the juice months or even years before they enter competitions that may involve testing.
Combine that with a first class diet, constant proteins and nutrient intake at regular intervals that would be completely impractical for your normal 9-5 working man.
Plus... Training every day with the help of a trainer or even team and you might get somewhere near.
Their whole lives and schedules will be carefully organised and scientifically determined.
These olympic Atheletes really are impressive and the work the have put in to get where they are in mind-bending, but it's a little more than hard work and good food.
Edited by NinjaPower on Tuesday 31st July 14:23
NinjaPower said:
HonestIago said:
Essentially true but a lot of Olympic bodies are chemically enhanced, just remember that.
Another thing is that normal people do not have the time to train all day every day like athletes.
+1Another thing is that normal people do not have the time to train all day every day like athletes.
Atheletes will be at the very least loading themselves daily with any and every legal supplement that is even suspected of helping.
Creatine
BCAA's
L-Glutamine
ZMA
Nitric Oxide
Multivitamins
Dare I also suggest that occationally you might find the odd Atheletes here and there who have originally 'built' their physique using steroids, growth hormone, testosterone and other such things, before laying off the juice months or even years before they enter competitions that may involve testing.
Combine that with a first class diet, constant proteins and nutrient intake at regular intervals that would be completely impractical for you normal 9-5 working man.
Plus... Training every day with the help of a trainer or even team and you might get somewhere near.
Their whole lives and schedules will be carefully organised and scientifically determined.
These olympic Atheletes really are impressive and the work the have put in to get where they are in mind-bending, but it's a little more than hard work and good food.
Everyone is so pessimistic- you can get in awesome shape with out having to train all day, take steroids and load up with every supplement you can.
All it takes is a bit of hard work. But people like to think everyone who gets into great shape must be juicing, as it's an excuse for them never to achieve what they want through hard work and a bit of sacrifice.
All it takes is a bit of hard work. But people like to think everyone who gets into great shape must be juicing, as it's an excuse for them never to achieve what they want through hard work and a bit of sacrifice.
didelydoo said:
Everyone is so pessimistic- you can get in awesome shape with out having to train all day, take steroids and load up with every supplement you can.
All it takes is a bit of hard work. But people like to think everyone who gets into great shape must be juicing, as it's an excuse for them never to achieve what they want through hard work and a bit of sacrifice.
^^^ This is true.All it takes is a bit of hard work. But people like to think everyone who gets into great shape must be juicing, as it's an excuse for them never to achieve what they want through hard work and a bit of sacrifice.
Also, it's impossible to train all day anyway, or at least stupid to try to do so. The main benefit full-time athletes gain is in quality recovery time, not training time.
Well in march I started going to the gym, I was 17.5 stone and had done bugger all activity wise for 10 years.
I have lost 3 stone and can see a huge difference in muscle across my body.
I have cut all the crap from my diet but enjoy every piece of food I eat.
For me, gym 6 times a week and a good diet (0 suppliments) has worked wonders.
I have lost 3 stone and can see a huge difference in muscle across my body.
I have cut all the crap from my diet but enjoy every piece of food I eat.
For me, gym 6 times a week and a good diet (0 suppliments) has worked wonders.
It's certainly an interesting topic that has been on my mind for a while. Although they don't train all day, every day, they certainly put in many more hours a day than we can (although I am surprised that we on PH have to work such long hours or even train being PBCDs). The only way to excel at the sport that you are competing in is to train hard especially coming up to an event. Of course, rest is important and that has to be scheduled in.
Drayton Bird (direct mail guru) wrote the early sales letters and adverts for the Bullworker (remember them?).
He stated that (from the research they undertook) they would guarantee a doubling of strength in 6 months for just 49 seconds exercise every day. There was no advantage in repeating the exercises all day, or prolonging them.
Something to do with precise activity and only using 70% of available strength.
Naturally having a good physique and proper diet wouldn't go amiss either (said the short fat man). These devices still sell but there's a lot more money to be made from gym memberships.
He stated that (from the research they undertook) they would guarantee a doubling of strength in 6 months for just 49 seconds exercise every day. There was no advantage in repeating the exercises all day, or prolonging them.
Something to do with precise activity and only using 70% of available strength.
Naturally having a good physique and proper diet wouldn't go amiss either (said the short fat man). These devices still sell but there's a lot more money to be made from gym memberships.
Hoofy said:
It's certainly an interesting topic that has been on my mind for a while. Although they don't train all day, every day, they certainly put in many more hours a day than we can (although I am surprised that we on PH have to work such long hours or even train being PBCDs). The only way to excel at the sport that you are competing in is to train hard especially coming up to an event. Of course, rest is important and that has to be scheduled in.
They will have put in exactly those same hours before becoming full-time athletes. It's the sacrifices they make when juggling work, training, life that make them good enough to go full-time eventually. I've done periods of running training averaging over 100 miles per week, while working on a contract at Merrill Lynch. There's time to work and train but that's about it, and the training and recovery can be better structured when you don't work, but it is doable.ewenm said:
Hoofy said:
It's certainly an interesting topic that has been on my mind for a while. Although they don't train all day, every day, they certainly put in many more hours a day than we can (although I am surprised that we on PH have to work such long hours or even train being PBCDs). The only way to excel at the sport that you are competing in is to train hard especially coming up to an event. Of course, rest is important and that has to be scheduled in.
They will have put in exactly those same hours before becoming full-time athletes. It's the sacrifices they make when juggling work, training, life that make them good enough to go full-time eventually. I've done periods of running training averaging over 100 miles per week, while working on a contract at Merrill Lynch. There's time to work and train but that's about it, and the training and recovery can be better structured when you don't work, but it is doable.
) by the time you get home, you'll have to be pretty dedicated to put in enough training in the evening and then eat and rest.The Don of Croy said:
Drayton Bird (direct mail guru) wrote the early sales letters and adverts for the Bullworker (remember them?).
He stated that (from the research they undertook) they would guarantee a doubling of strength in 6 months for just 49 seconds exercise every day. There was no advantage in repeating the exercises all day, or prolonging them.
Something to do with precise activity and only using 70% of available strength.
Naturally having a good physique and proper diet wouldn't go amiss either (said the short fat man). These devices still sell but there's a lot more money to be made from gym memberships.
Fancy doing the 49s/day experiment, then? I would but I can't see it helping me to reach my goals.He stated that (from the research they undertook) they would guarantee a doubling of strength in 6 months for just 49 seconds exercise every day. There was no advantage in repeating the exercises all day, or prolonging them.
Something to do with precise activity and only using 70% of available strength.
Naturally having a good physique and proper diet wouldn't go amiss either (said the short fat man). These devices still sell but there's a lot more money to be made from gym memberships.
Hoofy said:
Indeed, it's possible, but tough for most people. If you have a 9 to 5 (like anyone works just 9 to 5 these days ) by the time you get home, you'll have to be pretty dedicated to put in enough training in the evening and then eat and rest.
You train before and after work. I'd leave home at or before 7am and usually get back after 9pm. You have to really want to do it to make the sacrifices needed. Most people when they say "I don't have enough time" actually mean "I don't want it enough to make the sacrifices". There's nothing wrong with that of course, we all make choices in our lives and prioritise different things. ) by the time you get home, you'll have to be pretty dedicated to put in enough training in the evening and then eat and rest.ewenm said:
You train before and after work. I'd leave home at or before 7am and usually get back after 9pm. You have to really want to do it to make the sacrifices needed. Most people when they say "I don't have enough time" actually mean "I don't want it enough to make the sacrifices". There's nothing wrong with that of course, we all make choices in our lives and prioritise different things.
Indeed. And b
ks to that! I know it's possible but if I had a family life, I'd be happy with just putting in the time to maintain a good level of fitness.ewenm said:
The toughest sporting life is for the sub-elites - they have to do all the training, recovery, nutrition etc that the elites do, but need to fit it all in around a full time job (usually). Breaking into the elites where you might have access to funding etc can make your life easier as you can finally concentrate properly on the sport. All the Olympic athletes will have started like that - no-one gets into the elites without coming through the sub-elites first.
I would agree with that.
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