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Halb

23,254 posts

68 months

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Wednesday 5th September 2012 quote quote all
Question for OC.
When you are 'cutting' do you do more cardio? And what is the set/rep/rest on your resistance exercises? Do you keep to isolation movements or compound?

Ordinary_Chap

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7,520 posts

128 months

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Wednesday 5th September 2012 quote quote all
Halb said:
Question for OC.
When you are 'cutting' do you do more cardio? And what is the set/rep/rest on your resistance exercises? Do you keep to isolation movements or compound?
Yes I do more cardio.

I've tried both low intensity cardio and high intensity short bursts of cardio. I've personally found the results to be similar, however I love a run along the beach in the morning so I tend to do that.

I also only ever focus on compound movements although I do some isolation exercises these in my view are far less important.

I tend to overlay weight lifting with cutting and bulking so for 3-4 months I do pure strength training and then for 3-4 months high intensity high rep training although I could be bulking or cutting in any of those periods.

I've found periodisation to be very effective for muscle growth and I also feel better for it. Flat out strength training takes its toll on me over long time frames.

Lee

Smitters

831 posts

42 months

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Hoofy said:
I suddenly recall that I was going to test out bodyweight exercises properly. Given that I've not exactly got the amazing physique most guys would dream of, does anyone think I'd be best off sticking to weights or could I benefit just as well from bodyweight training with enough thought and research? It's not that I don't have the weights, but you see Olympic male gymnasts with decent physiques and have to wonder.

Thoughts?
I shall watch for answers with interest. I too am thinking of doing a good segment of low/bodyweight exercises and seeing if I get definition benefits, joint benefits and so on. My connective tissue is so weak I almost have no choice at the moment, but it'll be interesting. I'll outline my ideas in a separate and tediously lengthy post so as not to hijack...

Anecdotally, I have a mate who is in the forces and fit as a butcher's dog, and he advised I bin the gym weights and do high volume low weight training, bodyweight training, circuits and cardio. 99% of the population would kill for his physique, but I should add, he'd done a good decade of much heavier weights beforehand, so all "blank" canvasses are not equal, so to speak...

Hoofy

55,510 posts

167 months

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Thursday 6th September 2012 quote quote all
Smitters said:
I shall watch for answers with interest. I too am thinking of doing a good segment of low/bodyweight exercises and seeing if I get definition benefits, joint benefits and so on. My connective tissue is so weak I almost have no choice at the moment, but it'll be interesting. I'll outline my ideas in a separate and tediously lengthy post so as not to hijack...

Anecdotally, I have a mate who is in the forces and fit as a butcher's dog, and he advised I bin the gym weights and do high volume low weight training, bodyweight training, circuits and cardio. 99% of the population would kill for his physique, but I should add, he'd done a good decade of much heavier weights beforehand, so all "blank" canvasses are not equal, so to speak...
Yes, please start a new thread. I shall look out for it!

BenM77

2,784 posts

49 months

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Sunday 9th September 2012 quote quote all

@Hoofy

Good work so far mate, are you going to tweak your diet to start putting some weight on ?
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Hoofy

55,510 posts

167 months

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Sunday 9th September 2012 quote quote all
BenM77 said:
@Hoofy

Good work so far mate, are you going to tweak your diet to start putting some weight on ?
Thanks!

Although I'll sound like I have a mental illness... I haven't finished cutting! I will continue to lift heavy (my strength seems to be going up still!!) with a very gentle calorie deficit until I either reach 10% bodyfat or am certified and end up requiring therapy for my eating disorder. wink

Then I will increase my intake to 2000 calories a day and continue lifting. Challenges are great but I'm in this for the long run. smile

BenM77

2,784 posts

49 months

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Sunday 9th September 2012 quote quote all
Hoofy said:
BenM77 said:
@Hoofy

Good work so far mate, are you going to tweak your diet to start putting some weight on ?
Thanks!

Although I'll sound like I have a mental illness... I haven't finished cutting! I will continue to lift heavy (my strength seems to be going up still!!) with a very gentle calorie deficit until I either reach 10% bodyfat or am certified and end up requiring therapy for my eating disorder. wink

Then I will increase my intake to 2000 calories a day and continue lifting. Challenges are great but I'm in this for the long run. smile
Doesn't sound crazy mate, you are definitely in the right track. What height and weight are you at the moment ?

Hoofy

55,510 posts

167 months

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BenM77 said:
Doesn't sound crazy mate, you are definitely in the right track. What height and weight are you at the moment ?
Thanks. The looks on "normal" people's faces always amuses me when they see me counting calories.

Height... 5'6 (shame lifting doesn't increase height hehe ). Weight... last time I checked about 2 months ago, 67.5kg. I'm not too bothered as my fat levels are dropping but at the same time I'm trying to increase mass (even if that isn't really happening).

BenM77

2,784 posts

49 months

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Sunday 9th September 2012 quote quote all
Hoofy said:
BenM77 said:
Doesn't sound crazy mate, you are definitely in the right track. What height and weight are you at the moment ?
Thanks. The looks on "normal" people's faces always amuses me when they see me counting calories.

Height... 5'6 (shame lifting doesn't increase height hehe ). Weight... last time I checked about 2 months ago, 67.5kg. I'm not too bothered as my fat levels are dropping but at the same time I'm trying to increase mass (even if that isn't really happening).
It makes sense to me, I am doing something similar at the moment as I want a decent starting point. I aim to stay under 13stone to look after my dodgy ankle.

Not surprised people look at you funny when you count calories but it's the diet discipline that will get you to your goals smile

Asterix

20,343 posts

113 months

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Sunday 9th September 2012 quote quote all
I'm currently eating 6 meals a day with, excluding breakfast, them all being measured out and I go to work with four tupperware boxes ready to eat at three hour intervals. My colleagues were a bit miffed to start with but have seen that after two weeks I'm fully committed to it (or is that, I should be committed!) and are now very supportive. Just started the third week, so ten more to go.

I'd like my abs back and apparently they're made in the kitchen.

Ordinary_Chap

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7,520 posts

128 months

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Sunday 9th September 2012 quote quote all
Asterix said:
I'm currently eating 6 meals a day with, excluding breakfast, them all being measured out and I go to work with four tupperware boxes ready to eat at three hour intervals. My colleagues were a bit miffed to start with but have seen that after two weeks I'm fully committed to it (or is that, I should be committed!) and are now very supportive. Just started the third week, so ten more to go.

I'd like my abs back and apparently they're made in the kitchen.
That was one of the key things when I got myself below 10% bodyfat, otherwise I either eat too much or the wrong foods.

I actually and quite perversely enjoy making the meals and having them there for when I'm supposed to eat them, I like the sense of progress and not being hungry! smile

My girlfriend also kindly bought me a bag that has compartments for tupperware boxes which is very useful at work.

Asterix

20,343 posts

113 months

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That's good - I've got myself a cool bag that takes everything nicely.

One very positive aspect of the many meals thing is that I have constantly good energy levels throughout the day now. Makes a big difference.

The wife asked how I was keeping the cravings at bay and it was easy to answer - I'm not really having cravings because I'm not getting peckish as I'm never hungry - and as you've said, you don't gorge on meals because you're never ravenous.

Edited by Asterix on Sunday 9th September 19:56

Hoofy

55,510 posts

167 months

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Aye to no hunger!

That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!

Hoofy

55,510 posts

167 months

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BenM77 said:
It makes sense to me, I am doing something similar at the moment as I want a decent starting point. I aim to stay under 13stone to look after my dodgy ankle.

Not surprised people look at you funny when you count calories but it's the diet discipline that will get you to your goals smile
Indeed! I could eat "healthy" and hope I'm eating right but then I will either not be eating enough or eating too much so end up guessing a lot of the time and can't really afford a cheat meal as I don't know if I've only eaten on the limit so a cheat meal would undo 3 weeks' worth of effort meaning I'd have to train harder in the gym... but how hard? Counting input and output is a more measured approach.

Ordinary_Chap

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7,520 posts

128 months

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Sunday 9th September 2012 quote quote all
Hoofy said:
Aye to no hunger!

That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!
I wish I could do that. Hunger really makes me grumpy and I know in work my mental capacity (or what there is of it) is reduced, I find it harder to think through the problems I'd normally not have a problem with. I suspect this is due to a lack of focus because of my rumbling stomach! I also start to feel sick after about 1/2 a day if I don't eat.

Still for those that can hack it, I think it seems to work very well.


BenM77

2,784 posts

49 months

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Monday 10th September 2012 quote quote all
Ordinary_Chap said:
Hoofy said:
Aye to no hunger!

That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!
I wish I could do that. Hunger really makes me grumpy and I know in work my mental capacity (or what there is of it) is reduced, I find it harder to think through the problems I'd normally not have a problem with. I suspect this is due to a lack of focus because of my rumbling stomach! I also start to feel sick after about 1/2 a day if I don't eat.

Still for those that can hack it, I think it seems to work very well.
I am the same, I have tried it on my week off but could never do it whilst in work. Also I really don't enjoy being hungry !

The thing is although this fasting lark is the big thing at the moment it can't be claimed as 'the best way' as bodybuilders have done pretty bloody well eating 3,5,7 times a day, loads of ways to do it. I have lost 23pounds in under 3months eating 3 times per day and cutting the crap, it suits me to have a good breakfast.

Smitters

831 posts

42 months

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Monday 10th September 2012 quote quote all
Well, I've kicked things off nicely, doing a 54 mile mtb enduro. I'm officially quite tired and since I'm still lying down unsure if me legs actually work...

Anyway, apart from the most transparent 'looky looky at wot I done', I do have a question. Do people reckon big endurance events help or hinder fitness? It was a six hour brutal event, so despite getting that much exercise, I've eaten loads of energy gels and will be hobbling on sore joints and muscles.

Hoofy

55,510 posts

167 months

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Monday 10th September 2012 quote quote all
BenM77 said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
Hoofy said:
Aye to no hunger!

That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!
I wish I could do that. Hunger really makes me grumpy and I know in work my mental capacity (or what there is of it) is reduced, I find it harder to think through the problems I'd normally not have a problem with. I suspect this is due to a lack of focus because of my rumbling stomach! I also start to feel sick after about 1/2 a day if I don't eat.

Still for those that can hack it, I think it seems to work very well.
I am the same, I have tried it on my week off but could never do it whilst in work. Also I really don't enjoy being hungry !

The thing is although this fasting lark is the big thing at the moment it can't be claimed as 'the best way' as bodybuilders have done pretty bloody well eating 3,5,7 times a day, loads of ways to do it. I have lost 23pounds in under 3months eating 3 times per day and cutting the crap, it suits me to have a good breakfast.
Oh, I was really fasting just to see if I could fast for that kind of time because everyone is talking about it. If you get my meaning.

I prefer eating about 8 times a day, eating 100calories every hour as well as (light) meals.

As for the empty feeling, I just kept drinking water and green/white/Chinese teas. I've done it whilst working and focus, energy and mood, fortunately, hadn't been compromised. In fact, dare I say it, I may have been more upbeat, being amused by the idea that I hadn't eaten for so long (because as I say, I normally am eating all the time).

theshrew

4,216 posts

69 months

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Hoofy said:
Oh, I was really fasting just to see if I could fast for that kind of time because everyone is talking about it. If you get my meaning.

I prefer eating about 8 times a day, eating 100calories every hour as well as (light) meals.

As for the empty feeling, I just kept drinking water and green/white/Chinese teas. I've done it whilst working and focus, energy and mood, fortunately, hadn't been compromised. In fact, dare I say it, I may have been more upbeat, being amused by the idea that I hadn't eaten for so long (because as I say, I normally am eating all the time).
What are you eating then chief ? Post up your diet would be great to get some idea what your having. Despite eating fairly clean most of the time ive got a bit of a belly again.

Im going to be very strict with my diet now. I intend to measure everything out etc but not really sure how much of what i should be having. For eg At the moment im just having a chicken breast and some veg. Not positive how much i should or should not have.


theshrew

4,216 posts

69 months

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Monday 10th September 2012 quote quote all
Smitters said:
Well, I've kicked things off nicely, doing a 54 mile mtb enduro. I'm officially quite tired and since I'm still lying down unsure if me legs actually work...

Anyway, apart from the most transparent 'looky looky at wot I done', I do have a question. Do people reckon big endurance events help or hinder fitness? It was a six hour brutal event, so despite getting that much exercise, I've eaten loads of energy gels and will be hobbling on sore joints and muscles.
Nice work mate bet that was hard going. Id say it will certainly help your fitness. I would of thought it wont help you build muscle. If you enjoy it do it i say.


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