Help losing a bit of weight.
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Op, i have no idea how you work, but just fyi my weight loss has involved no calorie counting, no beer reduction, and no rules. Imo if you work had enough, you can ea what you want. My ride 2 weeks ago did in 3000 calories according o strava. Todays route is harder... Tonight, i'm going for a curry with the missus, unless i eat a kilo of raw lard, i ost wight today 
Some Gump said:
no calorie counting, no beer reduction, and no rules... work had enough, you can ea what you want
Absolutely. Ultimately, input < output. I do find it's easy enough to count calories and more scientific in that I can monitor what is going in and out which means I can do less training and spend more time enjoying doing what I want to do (or fix my BSoDing PC!).
What many people find is that their life changes and they can no longer fit in the sport/exercise/training but continue to eat whatever they want and... have to start a weight-loss thread on PH.
Anyway, enjoy your curry! You've earnt it!
Cheib said:
I suppose what I meant by eating regularly was having three meals a day with something healthy in between....that's what I have been advised to do by a dietician ( I was referred to her by one of the best Gastroenterologists in the country so I assume she's good !). I am not really on a calorie deficit diet (I am not calorie counting at all) but am just eating healthily/sensibly....and not eating "bad" snacks at all. If I eat anything between meals it's fruit, maybe a tiny amount of nuts or some fat free yoghurt. One thing I have definitely noticed is that by eating "good" carbs and also by cutting out unnecessary sugars (i.e. honey and raisins in porridge) it's made an absolutely massive difference to how quickly I feel hungry. I normally have an oat based cereal for breakfast (porridge or oatbix) and have noticed that if I don't have fruit mid morning I definitely start to feel lethargic.....much more so than if were to have a say some white toast....BUT I would feel hungry much quicker if I had white toast.. I guess that is because the white bread gets digested/broken down much more quickly?
The dietician also said that the whole perception about eating late in the day is pretty much an urban myth.....but what she did say is that by eating late and get overly hungry and thus eat more when you do come to eat then it's obviously worse.
Sounds like your dietician has just swallowed all the textbooks of conventional "wisdom". The reason you feel lethargic mid morning is because you eat carbs for breakfast. Eradicate carbs from your diet (or limit to 20-30g) until your evening meal and you will feel more alert/focused through the day and less hungry. Also please stop all this talk of "good" carbs. You can eat all the sugar you like in the evening providing its within a sensible calorie limit. Snacking on fruit during the day is totally pointless and of no benefit, you may as well eat smarties for all the difference it makes (okay, not quite!).The dietician also said that the whole perception about eating late in the day is pretty much an urban myth.....but what she did say is that by eating late and get overly hungry and thus eat more when you do come to eat then it's obviously worse.
I eat no food during the day at all, lift weights in the late afternoon/early evening and then eat a large evening meal followed by cake/ice cream/whatever else I fancy. Oh and that's while dieting. Off days I eat a normal evening meal and go relatively easy on carbs. No trick to it at all. Fasting is a very effective tool for dieting and still eating whatever the hell you want.
HonestIago said:
The reason you feel lethargic mid morning is because you eat carbs for breakfast. Eradicate carbs from your diet (or limit to 20-30g) until your evening meal and you will feel more alert/focused through the day and less hungry.
I get much less hungry on this diet than when I was eating what I want. The fact is that whilst doing bugger all exercise and feeling much less hungry I've lost 16kg in three and a half months....so it's doing some good. She may have swallowed a few text books (most people have) but I suspect she and the consultant that referred me to her know more about this subject than you and pretty much anyone else that peeps up ever will.
Kindly explain why easting fruit "is totally pointless and of no benefit"......maybe you should right a textbook about it. As for "you can eat as much sugar as you want as long as it's within your calorie allowance" that's another ground breaking theory.....
HonestIago said:
Sounds like your dietician has just swallowed all the textbooks of conventional "wisdom". The reason you feel lethargic mid morning is because you eat carbs for breakfast. Eradicate carbs from your diet (or limit to 20-30g) until your evening meal and you will feel more alert/focused through the day and less hungry. Also please stop all this talk of "good" carbs. You can eat all the sugar you like in the evening providing its within a sensible calorie limit. Snacking on fruit during the day is totally pointless and of no benefit, you may as well eat smarties for all the difference it makes (okay, not quite!).
I eat no food during the day at all, lift weights in the late afternoon/early evening and then eat a large evening meal followed by cake/ice cream/whatever else I fancy. Oh and that's while dieting. Off days I eat a normal evening meal and go relatively easy on carbs. No trick to it at all. Fasting is a very effective tool for dieting and still eating whatever the hell you want.
So how to you explain that some people can eat carbs (as you will do to fuel your training) feel perfectly fine but feel flat if not?I eat no food during the day at all, lift weights in the late afternoon/early evening and then eat a large evening meal followed by cake/ice cream/whatever else I fancy. Oh and that's while dieting. Off days I eat a normal evening meal and go relatively easy on carbs. No trick to it at all. Fasting is a very effective tool for dieting and still eating whatever the hell you want.
Well I still ingest carbs and as I train in the gym 2/3 times a week and play tennis and spend about 8 hours on court a week. God forbid how the I manage to keep my bodyfat percentage in check at 6%. I must blame my metabolism then
It's not a one size fits all solution not to ingest carbs you know.
Amare, your argument could work against either of the above posters. 
ks, then she and the consultant know more bks than us all which is no good.
Theproblem challenge 
with weight loss is that new research is coming out all the time. There's also a lot of nonsense being spouted eg eat breakfast like a king or how fasting is bad for you or how you need to make sure 70% of your diet is carbs or that your brain needs carbs to function.
Cheib said:
She may have swallowed a few text books (most people have) but I suspect she and the consultant that referred me to her know more about this subject than you and pretty much anyone else that peeps up ever will.
But if he's right and the text books are spouting bks, then she and the consultant know more bks than us all which is no good.The
with weight loss is that new research is coming out all the time. There's also a lot of nonsense being spouted eg eat breakfast like a king or how fasting is bad for you or how you need to make sure 70% of your diet is carbs or that your brain needs carbs to function.Lost 3.8lb this week and 3.4lb last week, so something seems to be working! I'm over a third of the way to target in less than a third of the time, so maybe 20lb in 7 weeks is actually realistic after all. I'll probably gain weight this week for thinking that.
Another big bike ride in the offing this afternoon, I fear.
Another big bike ride in the offing this afternoon, I fear.
Hoofy said:
But if he's right and the text books are spouting bks, then she and the consultant know more bks than us all which is no good.
Theproblem challenge with weight loss is that new research is coming out all the time. There's also a lot of nonsense being spouted eg eat breakfast like a king or how fasting is bad for you or how you need to make sure 70% of your diet is carbs or that your brain needs carbs to function.
Agree.ks, then she and the consultant know more bks than us all which is no good.The
with weight loss is that new research is coming out all the time. There's also a lot of nonsense being spouted eg eat breakfast like a king or how fasting is bad for you or how you need to make sure 70% of your diet is carbs or that your brain needs carbs to function.You know what annoys me more? You often see these 'experts' dishing out health and nutritional advice e.g. dieticians and instructors in gyms and you see that they're not exactly shipshape.
With the exception of 1 instructor in my gym who is absolutely ripped to the core (ex-Marine), the others are not the physical specimen that they should be with a few ladies who have a bit of meat on their bones. I downright refuse to take advice from these people who cannot walk the walk. Sprouting bu115h1te about what you should eat and do but can't get their house in order.
Taking in all the advice in the world is not going to work unless you have the willpower to stick with whatever regime you take on.
amare32 said:
Agree.
You know what annoys me more? You often see these 'experts' dishing out health and nutritional advice e.g. dieticians and instructors in gyms and you see that they're not exactly shipshape.
With the exception of 1 instructor in my gym who is absolutely ripped to the core (ex-Marine), the others are not the physical specimen that they should be with a few ladies who have a bit of meat on their bones. I downright refuse to take advice from these people who cannot walk the walk. Sprouting bu115h1te about what you should eat and do but can't get their house in order.
Taking in all the advice in the world is not going to work unless you have the willpower to stick with whatever regime you take on.
An "agree" back atcha! In my business, I see so many health professionals including fitness instructors and so on who really should take some of their own advice... well, question their own advice! They've even argued with me that what I was doing was wrong. I decided not to call them out and ask them to take their tops off as I don't want to see moobs.You know what annoys me more? You often see these 'experts' dishing out health and nutritional advice e.g. dieticians and instructors in gyms and you see that they're not exactly shipshape.
With the exception of 1 instructor in my gym who is absolutely ripped to the core (ex-Marine), the others are not the physical specimen that they should be with a few ladies who have a bit of meat on their bones. I downright refuse to take advice from these people who cannot walk the walk. Sprouting bu115h1te about what you should eat and do but can't get their house in order.
Taking in all the advice in the world is not going to work unless you have the willpower to stick with whatever regime you take on.
It is also amusing to see overweight "leaders" at Weight Watchers meetings, too. If they spent less time sitting around talking about food...
</bhy>It's much like any industry, I guess. I've spent a lot of time "in" the financial/gambling world and the number of people who can't walk the walk but give out advice like they are gurus is astounding. There was an amusing thread on one forum. The admin called out a big mouth (ie asking them to show a video of their live account - hard to fake) and the big mouth went quiet.
HonestIago said:
Snacking on fruit during the day is totally pointless and of no benefit, you may as well eat smarties for all the difference it makes (okay, not quite!).
Fruit is a useful source of fibre, it's not completely pointless. The fibre content also makes it somewhat less bad than smarties. 
amare32 said:
Agree.
You know what annoys me more? You often see these 'experts' dishing out health and nutritional advice e.g. dieticians and instructors in gyms and you see that they're not exactly shipshape.
With the exception of 1 instructor in my gym who is absolutely ripped to the core (ex-Marine), the others are not the physical specimen that they should be with a few ladies who have a bit of meat on their bones. I downright refuse to take advice from these people who cannot walk the walk. Sprouting bu115h1te about what you should eat and do but can't get their house in order.
Taking in all the advice in the world is not going to work unless you have the willpower to stick with whatever regime you take on.
Just because someone is 'ripped to the core', it does not automatically make them an expert. It's entirely possible that they got into that condition 'in spite' of what they did exercise wise and nutritionally. It normally doesn't take long to work out which camp these people belong to with a few general questions such as:You know what annoys me more? You often see these 'experts' dishing out health and nutritional advice e.g. dieticians and instructors in gyms and you see that they're not exactly shipshape.
With the exception of 1 instructor in my gym who is absolutely ripped to the core (ex-Marine), the others are not the physical specimen that they should be with a few ladies who have a bit of meat on their bones. I downright refuse to take advice from these people who cannot walk the walk. Sprouting bu115h1te about what you should eat and do but can't get their house in order.
Taking in all the advice in the world is not going to work unless you have the willpower to stick with whatever regime you take on.
1. How long after training should protein be consumed?
2. What is a 'clean' food?
3. Should sugar be included in your post workout meal / shake?
There are plenty more but if someone answers 1. within 30 mins, 2. brown / wholewheat everything etc and 3. Yes, to restore glycogen then turn around and ignore them!
As for the body needing carbs - no, it doesn't 'need' dietary carbs but in their absence will convert protein to carbohydrate all on it's own.
A correct diet and exercise regime will get results but yes, as you say, you need to stick to it. No need to be silly about it though - if I was I wouldn't have enjoyed one of Mr Ben and Jerry's creations earlier!
Terminator X said:
Is it true that the body looks for energy via carbs first and fat second, so if you're keeping carb intake low then fat is burning off? Heard it somewhere ...
TX.
Think of it this way; if you needed 2500 calories a day to stay the same weight and ate 3500 calories a day but no carbs, do you think you would lose weight as you 'burn' fat? TX.
It's the number that matters, not what it's made of for weight loss.
horico said:
Just because someone is 'ripped to the core', it does not automatically make them an expert. It's entirely possible that they got into that condition 'in spite' of what they did exercise wise and nutritionally. It normally doesn't take long to work out which camp these people belong to with a few general questions such as:
1. How long after training should protein be consumed?
2. What is a 'clean' food?
3. Should sugar be included in your post workout meal / shake?
There are plenty more but if someone answers 1. within 30 mins, 2. brown / wholewheat everything etc and 3. Yes, to restore glycogen then turn around and ignore them!
As for the body needing carbs - no, it doesn't 'need' dietary carbs but in their absence will convert protein to carbohydrate all on it's own.
A correct diet and exercise regime will get results but yes, as you say, you need to stick to it. No need to be silly about it though - if I was I wouldn't have enjoyed one of Mr Ben and Jerry's creations earlier!
If you're going to lurk and break lurk mode then you've done it well. 1. How long after training should protein be consumed?
2. What is a 'clean' food?
3. Should sugar be included in your post workout meal / shake?
There are plenty more but if someone answers 1. within 30 mins, 2. brown / wholewheat everything etc and 3. Yes, to restore glycogen then turn around and ignore them!
As for the body needing carbs - no, it doesn't 'need' dietary carbs but in their absence will convert protein to carbohydrate all on it's own.
A correct diet and exercise regime will get results but yes, as you say, you need to stick to it. No need to be silly about it though - if I was I wouldn't have enjoyed one of Mr Ben and Jerry's creations earlier!
Now, what about carb backloading if (3) is wrong?
As for being ripped or not, listening to someone who is overweight giving diet advice is like listening to a tramp giving a tip on a horse. (I normally hate analogies but I think that one works.) Or as Buffett said, he knew it was a good idea to avoid dotcom stocks when his taxi driver was giving him advice on which dotcom stocks to buy.
Edited by Hoofy on Monday 10th September 09:17
Hoofy said:
If you're going to lurk and break lurk mode then you've done it well.
Now, what about carb backloading if (3) is wrong?
I presume you're talking about the magical replenishment of muscle glycogen when you take in 'fast' carbs post workout that will also 'drive' the protein into your muscles to get to 'repairing' them ASAP. Now, what about carb backloading if (3) is wrong?
Edited by Hoofy on Monday 10th September 09:17
Firstly, unless you do some sado style number of heavy squats (25+ sets min) you will not significantly decrease muscle glycogen for the carbs to be necessary. Even then, glycogen will sort itself out.
CBL talks about insulin response and controlling this. Look up insulin response to protein - it has a similar effect on levels so carbs are not the evil sister at all.
You will find that most people have a very good insulin response, get a kit and test yourself and you will see. The notion of manipulating insulin intra daily just doesn't stack up when looked into, the idea is to be net anabolic and if you have the right macros and train appropriately you will be!
otolith said:
To be fair, somebody giving dietary advice on behalf of the NHS will be thinking more about cancer and heart disease risks than about what's going to make you look leanest quickest.
I was seeing the consultant gastroenterologist because I was suspected of having autoimmune liver disease....the advice I was given was solely about losing weight. Being overweight (two to three stone in my case) can give you a fatty liver which can cause the liver to produce the same anti-bodies that are present in autoimmune diseases. Luckily in my case it was/is a fatty liver and not autoimmune liver disease which would have been a potential game changer in the long term.In my case the advice really had nothing to do with minimising cancer risk or heart disease...it was all about losing weight....obviously has positives for that though.
Cheib said:
otolith said:
To be fair, somebody giving dietary advice on behalf of the NHS will be thinking more about cancer and heart disease risks than about what's going to make you look leanest quickest.
I was seeing the consultant gastroenterologist because I was suspected of having autoimmune liver disease....the advice I was given was solely about losing weight. Being overweight (two to three stone in my case) can give you a fatty liver which can cause the liver to produce the same anti-bodies that are present in autoimmune diseases. Luckily in my case it was/is a fatty liver and not autoimmune liver disease which would have been a potential game changer in the long term.In my case the advice really had nothing to do with minimising cancer risk or heart disease...it was all about losing weight....obviously has positives for that though.
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