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Stiglet80 said:
Stupid question alert - I have been running for about 4 months now and can't seem to get anywhere near your guys times! Could it be related to height? I am only 5ft tall? (awaits flaming)
What kind of terrain? How are you measuring the distance, are you sure you're not running too far?C.A.R. said:
What kind of terrain? How are you measuring the distance, are you sure you're not running too far?
Well I am measure when I am on a treadmill, flat and by all the technical stuff on it. I try and up my pace but can’t seem to sustain it. I also can’t seem to put what I can achieve on the treadmill (distance or time) out on the tarmac which is frustrating, but I think this is partly terrain but mostly mental. Stiglet80 said:
Well I am measure when I am on a treadmill, flat and by all the technical stuff on it. I try and up my pace but can’t seem to sustain it. I also can’t seem to put what I can achieve on the treadmill (distance or time) out on the tarmac which is frustrating, but I think this is partly terrain but mostly mental.
Running on the treadmill isn't the same as proper running so don't compare the 2 in terms of distance/speed/time. I've generally found that i am comfortably quicker on normal running than treadmill running and have always presumed it's the same as everyone else.Stiglet80 said:
Well I am measure when I am on a treadmill, flat and by all the technical stuff on it. I try and up my pace but can’t seem to sustain it. I also can’t seem to put what I can achieve on the treadmill (distance or time) out on the tarmac which is frustrating, but I think this is partly terrain but mostly mental.
Stiglet There is so much advice out there, and it is really hard to distill it into something meaningful but….
4 months isn’t long – time will help
Run three times a week.
1. A long slow run – very easy paced, and try to run for 1 hour. Slow enough you could hold a normal conversation
2. A short fast run, no more than around 20 minutes – try to run fast enough that you can’t easily speak.
3. A medium sized “tempo” run, pace is your target normal running pace, try for at least 30 minutes – add a 10 slower cool down at the beginning and end.
Measure the time you run not the distance at this stage, once you are in a routine, measure your distances, and then aim to build about 5% more distance each week.
Have at least one COMPLETE rest day per week.
Buy good trainers.
If you insist on using treadmills, set the incline at at least 3% - otherwise when you try a run outside, you will find you are in fact miles behind where you thought you were. This is due to air resistence and the way the treadmill moves, not your foot powering your body.
Good Luck
Regiment said:
Stiglet80 said:
Well I am measure when I am on a treadmill, flat and by all the technical stuff on it. I try and up my pace but can’t seem to sustain it. I also can’t seem to put what I can achieve on the treadmill (distance or time) out on the tarmac which is frustrating, but I think this is partly terrain but mostly mental.
Running on the treadmill isn't the same as proper running so don't compare the 2 in terms of distance/speed/time. I've generally found that i am comfortably quicker on normal running than treadmill running and have always presumed it's the same as everyone else.Thanks for the top advice @Gargamel will defo do all advised particularly increasing the incline! Never thought of that for some reason.
Have spoken to other runners, a lot seem to be the same find it easier on outside, I think it largely mental on my part why I do better on the treadmill, I tend to think everyone is watching/timing me (I am certain they aren’t) whereas when I run outside its usually in countryside areas so no people pressure.
Have spoken to other runners, a lot seem to be the same find it easier on outside, I think it largely mental on my part why I do better on the treadmill, I tend to think everyone is watching/timing me (I am certain they aren’t) whereas when I run outside its usually in countryside areas so no people pressure.
Tim330 said:
Treadmill is much easier. I can run a 19m 5k at my gym treadmill on a 2% slope. Best this year in a 5k parkrun is 20:00.
A 5km road run for me, i'm looking at a comfortable 20 minutes. A 5km treadmill run, flat, my very best time is 23 minutes and it's far from comfortable.Regiment said:
Tim330 said:
Treadmill is much easier. I can run a 19m 5k at my gym treadmill on a 2% slope. Best this year in a 5k parkrun is 20:00.
A 5km road run for me, i'm looking at a comfortable 20 minutes. A 5km treadmill run, flat, my very best time is 23 minutes and it's far from comfortable.Stiglet80 said:
Well I am measure when I am on a treadmill, flat and by all the technical stuff on it. I try and up my pace but can’t seem to sustain it. I also can’t seem to put what I can achieve on the treadmill (distance or time) out on the tarmac which is frustrating, but I think this is partly terrain but mostly mental.
As others have said, treadmill and road are very different - but are you doing all your treadmill work on an incline or flat? If you're doing it flat, then that'll be a large part of the difference - you have to put a treadmill on an incline to get anything like the road workout levels.Interestingly, I was the opposite to you - used the treadmills to practice for a 5k run, was typically around the 26-27 minute point (so slow), and then when I did the 5k I was gobsmacked to be slightly over 25 minutes. But that was in part the competition of trying to keep up with the stepson (he was 19 at the time, I was 41), and generally being dragged along by the crowd.
Stiglet80 said:
Well I am measure when I am on a treadmill, flat and by all the technical stuff on it. I try and up my pace but can’t seem to sustain it. I also can’t seem to put what I can achieve on the treadmill (distance or time) out on the tarmac which is frustrating, but I think this is partly terrain but mostly mental.
If i were you id take zero notice what the treadmill says. I go to 3 different gyms all with the same running machines. The readings on the machines are different at each of the gyms. The lowest shows my joggin pace at 6mph the highest being 10mph.
As for speed i built mine up by doing different training mix it up a bit a distance run, a fast run and sometimes some HIIT ( thats a killer but you really feel like you have done a workout )
Speed just came over time also if i ran outside i always took my phone with a app on it which told me how i was doing.
el stovey said:
boothy1987's 5K race predictions. Add your guess!
Highway Star 19.45
Boothy198717mins 20 mins
el stovey. 22 mins.
Tim330. 21 mins
z4chris99 25.30 mins (hes running in pumps!)
Gargs. 20.01 - he'll never do it in 20 minutes !
O ye of little faith! I predict the boy will smash through the 20 minute barrier!Highway Star 19.45
Boothy1987
el stovey. 22 mins.
Tim330. 21 mins
z4chris99 25.30 mins (hes running in pumps!)
Gargs. 20.01 - he'll never do it in 20 minutes !
Don't know about Boothy, but some footballers can be annoyingly good at running. As a teenager, I was lucky enough to be county (schools and club) champion at 800 and 1500, but always got beaten at regional level in schools competitions by a lad who was a footballer, did no running training whatsoever and borrowed a pair of spikes to run in. IIRC he ran around 2.00 for 800 at 15 and won a medal at English Schools off no training.
Highway Star said:
O ye of little faith! I predict the boy will smash through the 20 minute barrier!
Don't know about Boothy, but some footballers can be annoyingly good at running. As a teenager, I was lucky enough to be county (schools and club) champion at 800 and 1500, but always got beaten at regional level in schools competitions by a lad who was a footballer, did no running training whatsoever and borrowed a pair of spikes to run in. IIRC he ran around 2.00 for 800 at 15 and won a medal at English Schools off no training.
Yeah point taken - but Boothy plays in goal..... Don't know about Boothy, but some footballers can be annoyingly good at running. As a teenager, I was lucky enough to be county (schools and club) champion at 800 and 1500, but always got beaten at regional level in schools competitions by a lad who was a footballer, did no running training whatsoever and borrowed a pair of spikes to run in. IIRC he ran around 2.00 for 800 at 15 and won a medal at English Schools off no training.
Keeping that one to myselfboothy1987 said:
Ran back down from training last night, 1.1 miles in a little under 6 minutes. So all I have to do is run at that pace for 3 times as long...simple 
If your distance is accurate that makes a 5:27/mile pacehttp://www.mcmillanrunning.com/calculator
Puts your 5k at 19:00, but I'm sticking to my original guess at the race time.
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