Losing body fat, why so hard?
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MocMocaMoc said:
I would cut the fruit. It's just fructose that'll make you hungry again within 20 minutes or so (the insulin thing)
What do you mean by the insulin thing? Eating fresh fruit (not fruit juice or dried as mentioned) doesn't raise insulin beyond other high GI foods, such as white bread or pasta, or any of the high GI foods in the tables above.pilchardthecat said:
Depends if you want to be fit and healthy, or just fit. Personally i eat lots of fruit. It has lots of good stuff in it as well as the fructose.
I avoid other refined carbs though, and nuts, seeds and vegetable oils (vegetable oil is a misnoma, it comes from seeds).
Eat lots of red meat fatty.lean doesn't matter, starchy carbs, fruit and vegetables.
I'd only have a very small portions of fruit unless looking to go with the insulin spike post workout. No issues with having a fruit salad then if you want imo.I avoid other refined carbs though, and nuts, seeds and vegetable oils (vegetable oil is a misnoma, it comes from seeds).
Eat lots of red meat fatty.lean doesn't matter, starchy carbs, fruit and vegetables.
Veg like broccoli is much better to go with meals like chicken.
Halb said:
Fresh fruit doesn't do that. Nature gives fruit fibre as well as sugar. The only sugars in nature without fibre is milk and honey.
http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/blog/?p=173
Hence why sugar cane is very difficult to eat.http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/blog/?p=173
I run a marathon on average every month. As a result my fat levels have dropped right down. It will take a year of training to reach this level but it works.
Before you run don't eat a lot and you will burn fat.
sodslaw said:
I'd only have a very small portions of fruit unless looking to go with the insulin spike post workout.
There is no 'spike'.lost in espace said:
Hence why sugar cane is very difficult to eat.
Quite. Nature fits. Milk is meant to be finished with at an early age and honey is guarded by bees. And cane is notoriously tough to chew as you say.
Who'd wanna eat a beet?
lost in espace said:
I run a marathon on average every month. As a result my fat levels have dropped right down. It will take a year of training to reach this level but it works.
Before you run don't eat a lot and you will burn fat.
I've dropped fat by different methods. Running was one of my faves. Some simple sugar beforehand and off I go. I probably only managed 10miles max a week, but for me that was enough, saw good results.Before you run don't eat a lot and you will burn fat.
Edited by Halb on Wednesday 3rd October 19:06
grumbledoak said:
I'm on the same path. I did the 'heavy lifting' bit over the last few years; lager -> wine -> nothing & now no sugar and increasing cardio. 5'8", currently under 65kg, and 32" waist, and this site says BMI 21.3 and body fat 16.4%. Still no six pack. 
More of the same?
You need to be below 10% to see a proper 6-pack. 6-8% is better. It takes some quite dedicated diet planning and commitment to get to that sort of level.More of the same?
I probably tend to have around half a pint of fresh orange juice or innocent smoothies with dinner each day. Also to avoid choc and crisps during the working day I will have an apple, a banana, 2 clementines, and a handful of grapes. Is this overdoing it - and what are the alternatives which are better?
grumbledoak said:
I'm on the same path. I did the 'heavy lifting' bit over the last few years; lager -> wine -> nothing & now no sugar and increasing cardio. 5'8", currently under 65kg, and 32" waist, and this site says BMI 21.3 and body fat 16.4%. Still no six pack.
More of the same?
Yep. I would also start logging your food in detail. At under 20% bodyfat, any discrepancies in intake will make a lot of difference even if you're cutting out "bad" stuff.More of the same?
benaldo said:
I probably tend to have around half a pint of fresh orange juice or innocent smoothies with dinner each day. Also to avoid choc and crisps during the working day I will have an apple, a banana, 2 clementines, and a handful of grapes. Is this overdoing it - and what are the alternatives which are better?
Eat more chicken fat and other unhealthy s
t if my food diary is anything to go by. I've gone from 20% to 12% over 8 months.http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/darrensurre...
I would ignore the last 10 days' worth of records as I have been on a diet break. Normally I aim for 1700-1800 calories a day; I sometimes eat healthy, I sometimes eat s
te. I try to keep my carbs around 100-150g per day ie when peckish, eat protein or vegetables rather than crisps, biscuits and cakes. I do have chips, rice, potatoes, noodles etc still.Hoofy said:
You like Hot and spicy chicken wngs don't you? grumbledoak said:
I'm on the same path. I did the 'heavy lifting' bit over the last few years; lager -> wine -> nothing & now no sugar and increasing cardio. 5'8", currently under 65kg, and 32" waist, and this site says BMI 21.3 and body fat 16.4%. Still no six pack.
More of the same?
Sorry but if you are 5'8" and 65kg and you can't see your abs then you probably aren't lifting heavy enough things. Lift heavier things and eat a bit more. You wont get a six pack if there isnt any muscle mass in your core. If you diet with your current body composition you will be losing as much muscle as you are fat.More of the same?
pilchardthecat said:
Sorry but if you are 5'8" and 65kg and you can't see your abs then you probably aren't lifting heavy enough things. Lift heavier things and eat a bit more. You wont get a six pack if there isnt any muscle mass in your core. If you diet with your current body composition you will be losing as much muscle as you are fat.
+1Seems like half the threads here are all about weight loss rather than building muscle and having a healthy bodyfat percentage.
Not tried this fasting business as I need to eat a lot for heavier lifts and tennis otherwise I feel flat.
I'm also 5' 8" and 63kg. My waist is currently 28" and my abs didn't really show until I was below 10% BF.
Halb said:
sodslaw said:
I'd only have a very small portions of fruit unless looking to go with the insulin spike post workout.
There is no 'spike'.Post workout when trying to drop bodyfat some people just go with some casein/slow absorbing protein.. If you want to go 'the insulin spike route' then feel free to stuff your face with a load of simple sugars/fruit like bananas and have whey with it.
sodslaw said:
Post workout when trying to drop bodyfat some people just go with some casein/slow absorbing protein.. If you want to go 'the insulin spike route' then feel free to stuff your face with a load of simple sugars/fruit like bananas and have whey with it.
Fruit doesn't raise insulin levels beyond it's nutritional value, thanks to the fibre. You would be better of with white bread and jam to help with that, or honey/cake etc, which can be beneficial alongside protein uptake.a311 said:
Hoofy said:
You like Hot and spicy chicken wngs don't you? *goes off to get some snacks from the fridge...*a311 said:
Keep a food diary or count your calories. My Fitness Pal is great IMO the daily cal goals are low in my experience but it's a great tool to monitor what you're eating and educational in that when you use it you quickly discover how bad some foods are but you can also eat well and maintain a low cal diet.
Agreed - My Fitness Pal is a superb app, whether or not you want to lose weight. I only got it this week. Easy to use, can search or scan barcodes on iphone to quickly add food....gives you a breakdown of content, dietary split etc etc. Really useful for ensuring you have a well balanced diet as well as recording your training.I've just got the my fitness pal app and my target is 1200 calories per day. This is proving quite tricky so far - I have used all my calories already today
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/racinglikea...
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/racinglikea...
Edited by dontfollowme on Sunday 7th October 14:40
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