Dentists UK or Abroad?
Discussion
pomp1 said:
Love the way that a dentist can be measure by the television they have! What a pillock. I wonder what will be next - ' my dentist is best because he's den plan?!'
If that is in response to my description of our dentist, then you sound pitiful, the usual semi-hysterical knee jerk reaction to anybody mentioning that dentists abroad are cheaper than in the UK. It happens every time anybody raises the subject. If I'd said they have minimal equipment but are excellent dentists I'm sure you'd have thrown out some equally clever comment about how much you have spent to equip your state-of-the-art surgery.
MacGee said:
I'd even let my trainee do my fillings. Ours are so meticulous with their care. Bit annoying hearing annecdotal tales with no foundation. They'll be saying homeopathy works a treat!
I actually prefer seeing someone newly qualified, recently an opthamologist and then an FY2 doing her GP rotation, both were so meticulous with their care and had longer appointment time to "unpack the issue."King Herald said:
If that is in response to my description of our dentist, then you sound pitiful, the usual semi-hysterical knee jerk reaction to anybody mentioning that dentists abroad are cheaper than in the UK. It happens every time anybody raises the subject.
If I'd said they have minimal equipment but are excellent dentists I'm sure you'd have thrown out some equally clever comment about how much you have spent to equip your state-of-the-art surgery.
Obviously I am pitiful! A martyr to the cause I would say. I just really love the way that your expert opinions able to tar every NHS dentist with the same brush yet your tv-clad private dentist is/ was perfect.If I'd said they have minimal equipment but are excellent dentists I'm sure you'd have thrown out some equally clever comment about how much you have spent to equip your state-of-the-art surgery.
However, I am pleased you have recognised how much investment we put into our practices. Thank you.
These threads always seem to come down to dentists in the uk charging so much for care.
When you compare us to USA, Canada, France, Germany, we are not expensive. On the NHS if you genuniely do not have the means to pay for treatment you will probably find you are exempt from charges.
With regards to private prices for comparable countries, prices are probably quite reasonable too.
You can obviously get cheaper treatment abroard in some less well off countries. This mainly being due to the generalised cost of living being lower. This will be true of all service sector jobs in those countries.
For all the horror stories from the UK there will be some from treatment abroard.
There are no risk free treatments anywhere.
The question you have to ask yourself is if one of the risks realises itself, what will you do?
If going back is simple then it is not such a problem. The dentist can try to resolve the issue.
If going back is impractical who will you have pick up pieces?
The chances are there will be a bill associated with doing so at a different dentist.
When you compare us to USA, Canada, France, Germany, we are not expensive. On the NHS if you genuniely do not have the means to pay for treatment you will probably find you are exempt from charges.
With regards to private prices for comparable countries, prices are probably quite reasonable too.
You can obviously get cheaper treatment abroard in some less well off countries. This mainly being due to the generalised cost of living being lower. This will be true of all service sector jobs in those countries.
For all the horror stories from the UK there will be some from treatment abroard.
There are no risk free treatments anywhere.
The question you have to ask yourself is if one of the risks realises itself, what will you do?
If going back is simple then it is not such a problem. The dentist can try to resolve the issue.
If going back is impractical who will you have pick up pieces?
The chances are there will be a bill associated with doing so at a different dentist.
The ill informed and those who believe the hype regarding foreign greatness.....it's too late to help, so why bother. Let them go over and when they return to us for repairs and emergencies, lets charge them more! I see so many adventurous bridges, veneers and crowns which send a shiver up my back. But, guess what? They loved the dentist wot done it and it was so cheap!
And yes! I've seen loads of foreign stuff. USA, Poland, Germany, China and many more. The Poles do love their white fillings. Many of which have fractured with curly edges. But they look nice and the dentist was lovely!
Guys! Don't bother with the non believers!
And yes! I've seen loads of foreign stuff. USA, Poland, Germany, China and many more. The Poles do love their white fillings. Many of which have fractured with curly edges. But they look nice and the dentist was lovely!
Guys! Don't bother with the non believers!
RockDoctor said:
How long should a routine check up take? I've only been to the local NHS dentist once, but I was in the seat for no more than 2 minutes before I was sent away saying everything was fine. Just didn't seem thorough. No longer use them anyway.
Depends. If you have a complicated mouth it may take longer than a simple healthy mouth. Additionally, if you need x-rays or pockets measuring, then that too can take time. It also depends upon whether you're at a 'Aldi' or 'Waitrose' -type of dentist.I have 15 minute appointments for check ups, but it takes as long as it takes. If your teeth are perfect gums are good and no radiographs are due it will not take a huge amount of time.
If you come in and need radiographs and some resultant work then it can easily take longer.
The conversations pre and post looking in the mouth take the time.
If you come in and need radiographs and some resultant work then it can easily take longer.
The conversations pre and post looking in the mouth take the time.
MacGee said:
The ill informed and those who believe the hype regarding
It foreign greatness.....it's too late to help, so why bother. Let them go over and when they return to us for repairs and emergencies, lets charge them more! I see so many adventurous bridges, veneers and crowns which send a shiver up my back. But, guess what? They loved the dentist wot done it and it was so cheap!
And yes! I've seen loads of foreign stuff. USA, Poland, Germany, China and many more. The Poles do love their white fillings. Many of which have fractured with curly edges. But they look nice and the dentist was lovely!
Guys! Don't bother with the non believers!
It foreign greatness.....it's too late to help, so why bother. Let them go over and when they return to us for repairs and emergencies, lets charge them more! I see so many adventurous bridges, veneers and crowns which send a shiver up my back. But, guess what? They loved the dentist wot done it and it was so cheap!
And yes! I've seen loads of foreign stuff. USA, Poland, Germany, China and many more. The Poles do love their white fillings. Many of which have fractured with curly edges. But they look nice and the dentist was lovely!
Guys! Don't bother with the non believers!
It is depressing reading these threads as what to some people feel of the profession in this country.
I do not really think we could be much more regulated.
From what I understand we are looking like getting revalidation too.
And another great bit of Polish work recently...pt had 4 root canaled teeth...one required extraction and 2 more are hurting...fantastic. Patient wanted me to fix them...BIG NO. Specialist is only way to redo them. So shes going back to her Polish "specialist" to get them done...even though they did them wrong in first place! Even though I have a well specced practice she was amazed we didnt have as specialised a dentist as hers!
didnt know whether to laugh or get angry. Not worth it cos shes convinced hers is better! Classic case of multi white fillings and crap underneath.
didnt know whether to laugh or get angry. Not worth it cos shes convinced hers is better! Classic case of multi white fillings and crap underneath.
MacGee said:
And another great bit of Polish work recently...pt had 4 root canaled teeth...one required extraction and 2 more are hurting...fantastic. Patient wanted me to fix them...BIG NO. Specialist is only way to redo them. So shes going back to her Polish "specialist" to get them done...even though they did them wrong in first place! Even though I have a well specced practice she was amazed we didnt have as specialised a dentist as hers!
didnt know whether to laugh or get angry. Not worth it cos shes convinced hers is better! Classic case of multi white fillings and crap underneath.
Are you anywhere near Bridlington? I know of a horror around there......didnt know whether to laugh or get angry. Not worth it cos shes convinced hers is better! Classic case of multi white fillings and crap underneath.
I really hate these which country has the better qualified dentist threads
The idea America uses superior materials etc is laughable. My guess for best quality dentistry would be the standard Germany/Swiss/Sweden/Japan, dare I say it the UK and the Italians always have cosmetic guru's.
I did my thesis in the states at a post-graduate training uni and the level of understanding/education of the qualified dr's was appalling. It could be why my study partner (who was Canadian)was instructed by his grandfather(dean of medicine) and father (city dentist) to study in the UK before considering returning.
I work almost exclusively in the NHS, and I feel people's pain for being let down by the system as I seem countless pt who have been treated at corporate practices usually by short term, and often European dentists. As these dentists are EU, they have no entry requirements or indeed don't even have to even pass a foundation year to practice like us UK graduates!
Essentially, lots of very good practices in the uk, often highly qualified and I really believe they are as good as it gets.
Either way, I hate practicing here more and more by the day, as do nearly all uk trained dr/dentists alike, most of whom are emigrating. Ive lost count of peers who are now down under or quitting surgical pathways to become gps with the hope to move.
hopefully the NHS and public attitudes will change in time before no bugger wants to do it!
The idea America uses superior materials etc is laughable. My guess for best quality dentistry would be the standard Germany/Swiss/Sweden/Japan, dare I say it the UK and the Italians always have cosmetic guru's.
I did my thesis in the states at a post-graduate training uni and the level of understanding/education of the qualified dr's was appalling. It could be why my study partner (who was Canadian)was instructed by his grandfather(dean of medicine) and father (city dentist) to study in the UK before considering returning.
I work almost exclusively in the NHS, and I feel people's pain for being let down by the system as I seem countless pt who have been treated at corporate practices usually by short term, and often European dentists. As these dentists are EU, they have no entry requirements or indeed don't even have to even pass a foundation year to practice like us UK graduates!
Essentially, lots of very good practices in the uk, often highly qualified and I really believe they are as good as it gets.
Either way, I hate practicing here more and more by the day, as do nearly all uk trained dr/dentists alike, most of whom are emigrating. Ive lost count of peers who are now down under or quitting surgical pathways to become gps with the hope to move.
hopefully the NHS and public attitudes will change in time before no bugger wants to do it!
Don't really trust any dentist in the UK as I had a rotten tooth and with major infection to a point I could taste it in my mouth, told my dentist and he told me everything was fine and I just needed to use Sensodyne. A few weeks went to Iran with awful tooth ache, turns out my filling was done bad and it was just rotting away and was badly infected, had root canal over there and it's been fine for 5 years now.
z4chris99 said:
my brief assumption on UK dentistry
NHS - get you out the door quickly while trying to flog you private treatments
Private 95% - flog you everything under the sun because your mouth is falling apart
Private 5% - do a good job, give you only what you need and don't rip you off
AgreeNHS - get you out the door quickly while trying to flog you private treatments
Private 95% - flog you everything under the sun because your mouth is falling apart
Private 5% - do a good job, give you only what you need and don't rip you off
markcollings7890 said:
z4chris99 said:
my brief assumption on UK dentistry
NHS - get you out the door quickly while trying to flog you private treatments
Private 95% - flog you everything under the sun because your mouth is falling apart
Private 5% - do a good job, give you only what you need and don't rip you off
AgreeNHS - get you out the door quickly while trying to flog you private treatments
Private 95% - flog you everything under the sun because your mouth is falling apart
Private 5% - do a good job, give you only what you need and don't rip you off
pomp1 said:
Obviously I am pitiful! A martyr to the cause I would say. I just really love the way that your expert opinions able to tar every NHS dentist with the same brush yet your tv-clad private dentist is/ was perfect.
However, I am pleased you have recognised how much investment we put into our practices. Thank you.
Not every dentist, not even specifically NHS dentists, just the ones who come on here spouting off so pathetically defensive. However, I am pleased you have recognised how much investment we put into our practices. Thank you.
And investing loads of money in your practise, having all sorts of fancy equipment, doesn't mean you are any good though, does it? Touché.
MacGee said:
The ill informed and those who believe the hype regarding foreign greatness.....it's too late to help, so why bother. Let them go over and when they return to us for repairs and emergencies, lets charge them more! I see so many adventurous bridges, veneers and crowns which send a shiver up my back. But, guess what? They loved the dentist wot done it and it was so cheap!
And yes! I've seen loads of foreign stuff. USA, Poland, Germany, China and many more. The Poles do love their white fillings. Many of which have fractured with curly edges. But they look nice and the dentist was lovely!
Guys! Don't bother with the non believers!
FFS, I LIVE in the Philippines, which is why I use the dentists here. I was very happy with my UK dentist before we moved. I'm not advocating that people dump their UK dentist and fly all the way over here to go to a superior but far cheaper dentist, as the ticket alone will bang them £850.And yes! I've seen loads of foreign stuff. USA, Poland, Germany, China and many more. The Poles do love their white fillings. Many of which have fractured with curly edges. But they look nice and the dentist was lovely!
Guys! Don't bother with the non believers!
I was simply trying to show that the dentists out here in the wild are not some witch doctor in a mud hut, with a cold chisel and toffee hammer, but have as much equipment and paraphernalia as any dentist in the UK.
Of course I was immediately shot down by the dental 'defenders', proclaiming that having all that equipment means nothing, that me pointing out they have two monitors in the surgery means means I am a pillock.
Fully expected though, a very British attitude.
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