Tough Mudder

[deadmau5]

dave_s13 said:

Alexw88 said:

www.spartanrace.com - It was voted best obstacle race US and UK

Bah....the Yorkshire one is only 5k....that sounds too short to me but then again I've never done one. Anyone any experience?

I definitely saw CHILDREN running in that video. Spartan Race<Tough Mudder.

[Tallow]

It does seem short, but on the other hand it's timed, which would make it quite fun I think, plus there's not that many obstacles less than a Tough Mudder. It could be more of a sprint course than the TM's endurance.

I did the South West Tough Mudder earlier in the year and the obstacles weren't really that challenging, especially as they were spread apart so far. In fact, the worst part of it I found was the section in the latter stages where you had to repeatedly run up and down a steep hilled field. That was pretty tiring. I reckon the obstacles would be tougher and more rewarding if they were closer together, giving you less time to recover. Perhaps with a few extra K each side for extra endurance testing would be good, so maybe a 10k run with 15-20 obstacles set over a 5km space in the middle.

If that event appears mysteriously over the next year whoever invents it owes me a share of the profits!

[22s]

Tallow said:

It does seem short, but on the other hand it's timed, which would make it quite fun I think, plus there's not that many obstacles less than a Tough Mudder. It could be more of a sprint course than the TM's endurance.

I did the South West Tough Mudder earlier in the year and the obstacles weren't really that challenging, especially as they were spread apart so far. In fact, the worst part of it I found was the section in the latter stages where you had to repeatedly run up and down a steep hilled field. That was pretty tiring. I reckon the obstacles would be tougher and more rewarding if they were closer together, giving you less time to recover. Perhaps with a few extra K each side for extra endurance testing would be good, so maybe a 10k run with 15-20 obstacles set over a 5km space in the middle.

If that event appears mysteriously over the next year whoever invents it owes me a share of the profits!

Those hill runs were by far, far, far the worst!

I agree - too much running, not enough action.

[Halb]

22s said:

I agree - too much running, not enough action.

Like my last 'date'.

[Halb]

Halb said:

http://www.mensfitness.com/leisure/outdoor/8-bruta...

http://ashotofadrenaline.net/10-obstacle-course-ra...

http://www.obstacleracers.com/rankings/

http://www.muddyrace.co.uk/blog-posts/quick-guide-...

http://xrunner.co.uk/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstacle_racing

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/11-great-obstacle-...

[Tallow]

I like the idea of a zombie themed obstacle course. Shame their website doesn't seem to work anymore...

[sammyboy]

Halb said:

Halb said:

http://www.mensfitness.com/leisure/outdoor/8-bruta...

http://ashotofadrenaline.net/10-obstacle-course-ra...

http://www.obstacleracers.com/rankings/

http://www.muddyrace.co.uk/blog-posts/quick-guide-...

http://xrunner.co.uk/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstacle_racing

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/11-great-obstacle-...

www.mudstacle.com - great site which reviews all races and has a race calender.

[ewenm]

There appears to be a UK Championships race in 2014

[itsnotarace]

Centurion07 said:

deadmau5 said:

If you go on the TM website and go on 'buy photos' you can put in your name and number and then select the ones you want to buy. No idea how much they cost though.

A huge amount of money. IIRC one photo was about £20! Obviously the more you buy the cheaper it is, but still.

I know somebody is trying to make a profit but the prices for the official pics are beyond taking the piss. Especially when the official ones are no better than your mates will take.

Late reply but having shot two Tough Guy (January) events, when you say "beyond taking the piss" I can tell you that you couldn't be more wrong

The cost is fair because

1) The agency contracted to supply the event photos are charged fees to the organisers for rights to be there
2) Your mates don't get to go on the actual course so won't get the same angle shots
3) Your mates don't rely on selling photos to put a roof over their heads
4) Your mates will unlikely be able to cover the entire course by themselves whereas we supplied 8 photographers who each have a daily rate to be paid, travelling costs, hotel, expenses
5) Your mates don't have to pay public liability insurance that each of those photographers will
6) Your mates probably don't have lenses long enough to catch the action or in the low light of a typical January day
7) Your mates standing behind the barriers won't get their camera equipment covered in mud and water, necessitating a 2 day clean or at worse total loss if a camera or lens gets dropped in water
8) Your mates don't have to provide a website, diskspace and bandwidth required to host 25000+ photos that will be taken at a single event, let alone the sorting / labelling and editing of each photo before it goes on
9) An average of 10% - 20% of competitors will actually buy photos after the event
10) Like any business, the agency will expect some return over and above the costs listed above.

Do you still think we should give the images away for free? Do you think you could do a better job? Good luck with that

Edited by itsnotarace on Friday 7th February 15:54

[Centurion07]

itsnotarace said:

Centurion07 said:

deadmau5 said:

If you go on the TM website and go on 'buy photos' you can put in your name and number and then select the ones you want to buy. No idea how much they cost though.

A huge amount of money. IIRC one photo was about £20! Obviously the more you buy the cheaper it is, but still.

I know somebody is trying to make a profit but the prices for the official pics are beyond taking the piss. Especially when the official ones are no better than your mates will take.

Late reply but having shot two Tough Guy (January) events, when you say "beyond taking the piss" I can tell you that you couldn't be more wrong

The cost is fair because

1) The agency contracted to supply the event photos are charged fees to the organisers for rights to be there

Yep, thought they probably would be.

2) Your mates don't get to go on the actual course so won't get the same angle shots

You can't get £20's worth per pic of better angles.

3) Your mates don't rely on selling photos to put a roof over their heads

True. Not denying anybody making a living.

4) Your mates will unlikely be able to cover the entire course by themselves whereas we supplied 8 photographers who each have a daily rate to be paid, travelling costs, hotel, expenses

Yep, fair enough. However, mates will know who they're looking for, can plan their spectating route roughly around the times you will be at each obstacle and are there solely for you.

5) Your mates don't have to pay public liability insurance that each of those photographers will

True. Not sure why it's needed for you guys on an event like this where YOU have paid to be there to take pics rather than having been "employed" as it were, but I accept the point

6) Your mates probably don't have lenses long enough to catch the action or in the low light of a typical January day

Possibly, but then I'm not stupid enough to do a winter Tough Mudder!

7) Your mates standing behind the barriers won't get their camera equipment covered in mud and water, necessitating a 2 day clean or at worse total loss if a camera or lens gets dropped in water

True. I thought you were a professional? What's all this "dropping stuff"?

8) Your mates don't have to provide a website, diskspace and bandwidth required to host 25000+ photos that will be taken at a single event, let alone the sorting / labelling and editing of each photo before it goes on

True. But why would I want to subsidise 24995 pics of other people?

9) An average of 10% - 20% of competitors will actually buy photos after the event

10) Like any business, the agency will expect some return over and above the costs listed above.

Do you still think we should give the images away for free?

Never said that.

Do you think you could do a better job? Good luck with that

Never said that either. Most of your points are perfectly valid FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, which is fair enough. My point was that £20 for a single photo of myself/team that my spectating friends can and did actually shoot themselves is a sum of money I was not prepared to pay. I liken it to seeing empty seats at sports events and wonder how many would actually be filled if the price was a little more reasonable? Obviously you have all your costs to consider and no doubt charge a price that you feel maximises your returns. As I alluded to earlier, the official 'togs at my event managed to capture all of about 3, possibly 4 shots of me and/or my 3-man team, and they were most definately NOT any better than any of the shots taken by my friends. Those pics below are most definately pro quality and in no way bear any resemblance to any of the ones I saw of me/my team. Had they been I may have been more tempted.

Edited by itsnotarace on Friday 7th February 15:54

[dave_s13]

Would you actually make it loss if you sold a £20 photo for 10?

You would sell fking thousands at ten quid a pop... I'd have bought one for sure.

I just don't care enough to spend what they currently cost.

[itsnotarace]

dave_s13 said:

Would you actually make it loss if you sold a £20 photo for 10?

We charge £9.75 for the first digital download, cheaper if you buy more. What other people charge is frankly none of my concern

[Centurion07]

itsnotarace said:

dave_s13 said:

Would you actually make it loss if you sold a £20 photo for 10?

We charge £9.75 for the first digital download, cheaper if you buy more. What other people charge is frankly none of my concern

Er, you made it your concern when you were the one defending someone else charging £20!

Your price of £9.75 plus discounting is more than reasonable & as I said, had there been any decent shots of me/my team I probably would have paid it had that been the price for my event.

Since you can manage to do the same job for half the price I stand by my original assertion that £20 per pic is taking the piss and I can only conclude you must think that too else you'd be charging £20pp!

[dave_s13]

itsnotarace said:

dave_s13 said:

Would you actually make it loss if you sold a £20 photo for 10?

We charge £9.75 for the first digital download, cheaper if you buy more. What other people charge is frankly none of my concern

I thought we were debating the twenty quid a pop photos I didn't buy.

You've a lovely turn of phrase btw... It really makes me feel like giving you money.

[Centurion07]

Well me and my team are going to be doing the Cirencester one tomorrow at 1140 if anyone's around to take some pics!

[Halb]

http://www.mensfitness.com/leisure/outdoor/8-bruta...

http://ashotofadrenaline.net/10-obstacle-course-ra...

http://www.obstacleracers.com/rankings/

http://www.muddyrace.co.uk/blog-posts/quick-guide-...

http://xrunner.co.uk/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstacle_racing

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/11-great-obstacle-...

http://brutalrun.co.uk/

www.mudstacle.com - great site which reviews all races and has a race calender.

[Halb]

Urban Attack

https://www.facebook.com/theurbanattack?fref=photo

[theshrew]

That looks like good fun

[Halb]

theshrew said:

That looks like good fun

Gonna enter?

[Saleen836]

Anyone entered the event near Winchester this coming Sunday? Mrs Saleen is entered and I will be spectating