What Are Your Gym/Fitness/Routine Moans?

[13m]

Halb said:

13m said:

Chap at our gym, bloody huge, ripped, ape. Awful form on every exercise I've seen him do. But it seems to work.

Juiced to the gills?

Definitely.

[popeyewhite]

13m said:

Halb said:

13m said:

Chap at our gym, bloody huge, ripped, ape. Awful form on every exercise I've seen him do. But it seems to work.

Juiced to the gills?

Definitely.

He must have used good form to get that big. He must also have considerable discipline and knowledge of nutrition to get ripped whether on gear or not.

[13m]

popeyewhite said:

13m said:

Halb said:

13m said:

Chap at our gym, bloody huge, ripped, ape. Awful form on every exercise I've seen him do. But it seems to work.

Juiced to the gills?

Definitely.

He must have used good form to get that big. He must also have considerable discipline and knowledge of nutrition to get ripped whether on gear or not.

Agreed.

[ORD]

13m said:

popeyewhite said:

13m said:

Halb said:

13m said:

Chap at our gym, bloody huge, ripped, ape. Awful form on every exercise I've seen him do. But it seems to work.

Juiced to the gills?

Definitely.

He must have used good form to get that big. He must also have considerable discipline and knowledge of nutrition to get ripped whether on gear or not.

Agreed.

Disagree. If you take enough juice, you can build muscle with horrendous form and getting lean becomes very easy, too.

There are plenty of YouTube stars who wouldn't know full ROM if it slapped them in the face and are still bloody massive.

It's a different game once you dont need to train in order to be in an anabolic state.

[didelydoo]

ORD said:

Disagree. If you take enough juice, you can build muscle with horrendous form and getting lean becomes very easy, too.

There are plenty of YouTube stars who wouldn't know full ROM if it slapped them in the face and are still bloody massive.

It's a different game once you dont need to train in order to be in an anabolic state.

I think you overestimate the power of gear..... No doubt it works wonders, but getting lean and huge over and above your natural max are mostly down hard work and discipline. Loads of folk juice nowadays, most of them look like st.

I also think people over worry about form and ROM- the end result is they simply don't lift heavy enough for fear of 'bad form', so don't get strong enough and simply don't progress. They then look at people who do, and say it must be the gear.

[chris watton]

didelydoo said:

I think you overestimate the power of gear..... No doubt it works wonders, but getting lean and huge over and above your natural max are mostly down hard work and discipline. Loads of folk juice nowadays, most of them look like st.

I also think people over worry about form and ROM- the end result is they simply don't lift heavy enough for fear of 'bad form', so don't get strong enough and simply don't progress. They then look at people who do, and say it must be the gear.

I have found that sometimes, it is better to go all out to lift as heavy as your body will allow, irrespective of form. It is the best way to really push yourself and break plateaus (once fully warmed up of course). There's always drop sets to make up for less than perfect form...At least, for me..

[popeyewhite]

ORD said:

Disagree. If you take enough juice, you can build muscle with horrendous form and getting lean becomes very easy, too.

How do you think steroids work? They are not a magic potion, if you don't stimulate a part of the muscle it won't grow. All steroids do is provide aggression, recovery and improve nitrogen balance in muscle cells. Don't stimulate the cell - and it won't grow. I wonder if the OP caught the 'ape' while he was completing some last heavy reps?

[lemmingjames]

chris watton said:

I have found that sometimes, it is better to go all out to lift as heavy as your body will allow, irrespective of form. It is the best way to really push yourself and break plateaus (once fully warmed up of course). There's always drop sets to make up for less than perfect form...At least, for me..

Let us know how it goes as you go for your 1RM PB Deadlift with complete lack correct form.

Theres bending Form to gaining a break in the plateau and then theres a complete lack of form

[didelydoo]

lemmingjames said:

Let us know how it goes as you go for your 1RM PB Deadlift with complete lack correct form.

Went great for me!

[chris watton]

lemmingjames said:

chris watton said:

I have found that sometimes, it is better to go all out to lift as heavy as your body will allow, irrespective of form. It is the best way to really push yourself and break plateaus (once fully warmed up of course). There's always drop sets to make up for less than perfect form...At least, for me..

Let us know how it goes as you go for your 1RM PB Deadlift with complete lack correct form.

Theres bending Form to gaining a break in the plateau and then theres a complete lack of form

For complete beginners, I would agree. However, for those who have been training for a while, any breakdown in form when going for PB's can be mitigated by spending months preparing for the big lifts, and making sure you are fully warmed up. Sometimes, you just know you can do it and you know when you can't. I probably did round my back when attempting a DL PB (although not sure), but I am also sure the surrounding muscles, which have been trained heavily all year, helped out and took some of the load off my spine.

The fact that I had no ill effects at all in the days after trying means that I probably did something right, whether I rounded my back slightly or not. I also probably arch my back too much when going for Bench PB's, but I also mitigate this by wearing a belt (although not sure how effective that really is), and, as long as I lower the bar to my chest and push it all the way back up, I'm happy..

I could be wrong, but this is just my own experiences.

[ORD]

It is always fine until it isn't. You could deadlift like a tool for years and never pop a disc, but the likelihood is that you will. The stronger you are, the more horrific the loading on your spine when it goes wrong.

As for steroids, they do a lot more than what is suggested above. They essentially put the body in a permanent state of (mild) anabolic balance (more muscle synthesis than breakdown), so the trigger stimulus for muscle growth need not be so acute. This is why juicers can get big arms without getting big legs - they simply 'switch on' growth in the arms by a bit of training stimulus, without having to shock the body into anabolic balance with big loads on the skeletal muscles.

[joshcowin]

I think you are still overestimating the steroid aspect, hard work is still required to get huge, as was suggested originally!

Our gym is usually pretty good but recently there has been loads of plates and dumbbells strewn around 1st thing in the morning!! Meaning the cleaner hasn't bothered and the staff haven't even been in the gym before anyone starts training in there! Just annoying and completely avoidable!

Not annoying but very funny, recently have witnessed a bloke training and eating a protein bar at the same time, I mean, still chewing whilst mid set, was funny! I find it hard to get annoyed at anyone else there as I am sure they are fed up of me training in my baggy hoodies doing super sets that take up a bench and floor space!

[popeyewhite]

ORD said:

As for steroids, they do a lot more than what is suggested above. They essentially put the body in a permanent state of (mild) anabolic balance (more muscle synthesis than breakdown),

And they do this by providing a positive nitrogen balance. As I said.

ORD said:

so the trigger stimulus for muscle growth need not be so acute. This is why juicers can get big arms without getting big legs

Same occurs without steroids

ORD said:

- they simply 'switch on' growth in the arms by a bit of training stimulus, without having to shock the body into anabolic balance with big loads on the skeletal muscles.

And that stimulus needs to be applied to all of the muscle, not part of it. As I said. Not seen many juicers going for "a bit of training stimulus " recently. All I've seen lift very heavy. Are you suggesting they don't really need to bother?

[joshcowin]

Also what 'steroids' are you talking about?

[ORD]

popeyewhite said:

And that stimulus needs to be applied to all of the muscle, not part of it. As I said. Not seen many juicers going for "a bit of training stimulus " recently. All I've seen lift very heavy. Are you suggesting they don't really need to bother?

They don't need to bother anything like as much as they would without the assistance.

My point is not that all juicers make gains. That's silly. But I have seen plenty of juicers who are clearly building plenty of muscle and simply would not if they had no help: atrocious form, light weights, lots of isolation exercises, ego lifting, etc etc. Doing it all wrong and yet seeing great results.

I guess my point is that I have never seen a natural lifter make amazing gains without doing loads of hard work, whereas some juicers do exactly that.

[Pvapour]

chris watton said:

didelydoo said:

I think you overestimate the power of gear..... No doubt it works wonders, but getting lean and huge over and above your natural max are mostly down hard work and discipline. Loads of folk juice nowadays, most of them look like st.

I also think people over worry about form and ROM- the end result is they simply don't lift heavy enough for fear of 'bad form', so don't get strong enough and simply don't progress. They then look at people who do, and say it must be the gear.

I have found that sometimes, it is better to go all out to lift as heavy as your body will allow, irrespective of form. It is the best way to really push yourself and break plateaus (once fully warmed up of course). There's always drop sets to make up for less than perfect form...At least, for me..

[Burwood]

Some amusing comments on steroids. Never taken them, thought about it. I'd be huge if I did. Know a lot of people who have taken them. For those that don't know, they work by synthesising more protein and ATP. Essential for muscles. They also vastly reduce inflammation. The soreness you get after heavy weights so you could hit a muscle group every day if you wanted to.

Getting ultra lean is not easy but it's simply calories not nutrition exactly. I could eat pies and get lean so long as I stick to my kcal count.

Most people in my gym are pussies wasting their time, don't do much, ass around and think they can eat what ever they want and get fit.

[Efbe]

13m said:

popeyewhite said:

13m said:

Halb said:

13m said:

Chap at our gym, bloody huge, ripped, ape. Awful form on every exercise I've seen him do. But it seems to work.

Juiced to the gills?

Definitely.

He must have used good form to get that big. He must also have considerable discipline and knowledge of nutrition to get ripped whether on gear or not.

Agreed.

I disagree, on a different basis to others.

Muscles don't only grow through perfect form, otherwise muscle would be completely pointless biologically. Muscles grow to held the body perform repeated actions. A baby does not have perfect form when it is learning to walk, but building muscle is exactly what it is doing(a well as learning to co-ordinate/control etc).

Muscle may gro better/faster through good form, but will still grow with bad form, form will just help you get the full benefit of your time training, and more importantly stop you from injuring yourself.

[popeyewhite]

Efbe said:

I disagree, on a different basis to others.
Muscles don't only grow through perfect form, otherwise muscle would be completely pointless biologically.

Could you explain that please? Anyway most bodybuilding muscle is and most non-athletes don't have much muscle, do they? Well it's pointless on a present day evolutionary scale. Only weightlifters and athletes need it.

Efbe said:

Muscles grow to held the body perform repeated actions.

The purpose of muscle is to allow the body to move and hold position.

Efbe said:

A baby does not have perfect form when it is learning to walk, but building muscle is exactly what it is doing(a well as learning to co-ordinate/control etc).

You have that a bit muddled: A baby is building co-ordination and neural pathways when it learns to walk. When it actually walks it builds muscle to cope with that exercise (holding its bodyweight upright and keeping in position) and no other. In that respect once it's walking it's showing pretty good form!

Efbe said:

Muscle may gro better/faster through good form, but will still grow with bad form,

If bad form means parts of the muscle don't get any exercise, ie you swing the weight up, jump in some way or only do cheat reps then no, it won't grow with bad form. This is very basic human physiology, but to stimulate muscle growth you have to damage individual muscle cells for them to grow back stronger, so no stimulation = no growth!

[Burwood]

Bad form has been rebuked. Half bench reps will develop the check. In my opinion incline, decline, flat....just do one of them and you'll get a great chest. My advice is just get stuck in as opposed tea talking about various techniques.