Deadlifting! Anyone know much about it?

[didelydoo]

For deadlifts I'd say 200kg is strong. Triple body weight is very strong. Triple body weight for 5 is coming up to world class. (I've done triple bodyweight- 265kg at 89kg)

[BenM77]

amare32 said:

Regiment said:

I doubt she could lift close to that, if she did, she'd be world record holder at her weight class and giving the 198lb+ weight class a run for their money.

Sorry got it wrong It was 260kg squats. If that is true that is mightily impressive. But it wouldnt surprise me as these are elite cyclists setting world records.

I think you are talking pounds, an article here quotes 130kg as her one rep max.

http://www.mensfitness.co.uk/exercise/sports/8461/...

[Regiment]

amare32 said:

Sorry got it wrong It was 260kg squats. If that is true that is mightily impressive. But it wouldnt surprise me as these are elite cyclists setting world records.

Chris Hoy was talking about his training regime for the Olympics and he stated he could squat a 220kg bar for 1 rep. It'd be lbs most probably.

[Liokault]

So, what would be a good weight to start with for a total noob to deadlifting?

I'v been messing around with the bar and a few plates to get the form correct, how much should I go in with to start?

[ApexJimi]

Liokault said:

So, what would be a good weight to start with for a total noob to deadlifting?

I'v been messing around with the bar and a few plates to get the form correct, how much should I go in with to start?

Lots of variables here - what do you want to achieve? How many reps are you aiming for?

Not giving us any details and asking this question is akin to asking the length of a piece of string!

[deadmau5]

Regiment said:

amare32 said:

Sorry got it wrong It was 260kg squats. If that is true that is mightily impressive. But it wouldnt surprise me as these are elite cyclists setting world records.

Chris Hoy was talking about his training regime for the Olympics and he stated he could squat a 220kg bar for 1 rep. It'd be lbs most probably.

I would have thought he could squat more than that, considering how much he can leg press:

[Tiggsy]

My mate is Hoy's sprint coach - he squats around 220-230KG for 1rep max and Pendleton is NOT squatting more than Hoy!

[Liokault]

ApexJimi said:

Liokault said:

So, what would be a good weight to start with for a total noob to deadlifting?

I'v been messing around with the bar and a few plates to get the form correct, how much should I go in with to start?

Lots of variables here - what do you want to achieve? How many reps are you aiming for?

Not giving us any details and asking this question is akin to asking the length of a piece of string!

How long is a piece of string?

My main goal initially is to not mess my back up until I get properly into this. How much weight is too much/little to use until I have my form properly down?

I'm 5'9" and 80kg and relatively muscular, but not from weights.

[pilchardthecat]

I've been doing reverse pyramid deads for a while now (3 sets heavy, dropping a little weight each set). I am lifting 2.5x my body weight in my top set, for 3-4 reps. I much prefer reverse pyramid to any other method, but you must warm up properly

The only downside to heavy deadlifts is recovery - i find my other lifts suffer for 5+ days and so i really only do them every 2 weeks now.

This is pretty good for standards

http://www.strstd.com/

Edited by pilchardthecat on Monday 26th November 11:37

[Regiment]

deadmau5 said:

I would have thought he could squat more than that, considering how much he can leg press:

Leg press bares no meaning to squats, I can leg press 450kg+ yet only squat 165kg.

[didelydoo]

Regiment said:

Leg press bares no meaning to squats, I can leg press 450kg+ yet only squat 165kg.

I'd second this, I found very little carry over. When I stopped squatting and did leg press instead (due to an injury)- my leg press shot up, but my squat shot down. I can only squat around 50% of what I can probably leg press

[ApexJimi]

Thirded ^

In my experience, leg press gets you stronger.... at leg pressing.


I fine the trap bar deadlift to be more useful in terms of crossover, moreover if you're lifting heavy, the leg press tends to place a lot of unnecessary pressure on the lower back.

[LordGrover]

Liokault said:

How long is a piece of string?

My main goal initially is to not mess my back up until I get properly into this. How much weight is too much/little to use until I have my form properly down?

I'm 5'9" and 80kg and relatively muscular, but not from weights.

If you've been practising, you ought to have a good idea, surely?
If in doubt, go light and build up. It really doesn't take long, especially if you're just starting out.
If you want a figure, I'd start at 60kgs, i.e. bar + 2 x 20kgs plates. That'll have the bar at the right height to begin with. Add 5-10 kgs per week while you can, then 2.5-5kgs and ultimately 1.25-2.5kgs when you get near your limit. When you stop gaining, take a week or two off then start building up again from say, 85% of previous maximum.
Plenty of other ways to do the same thing, but it's vital you get your form spot on and you don't over do it.

[Liokault]

LordGrover said:

If you've been practising, you ought to have a good idea, surely?
.

No, I have just been using a bar with very few weights on to get the form right, but with no option to add much to the weight.

Now I have access to more plates I dont want to over load it and mess my back up.

[didelydoo]

Liokault said:

No, I have just been using a bar with very few weights on to get the form right, but with no option to add much to the weight.

Now I have access to more plates I dont want to over load it and mess my back up.

If it feels too heavy, take some weight off. If it feels too light, put some weight on.

[ApexJimi]

Liokault said:

LordGrover said:

If you've been practising, you ought to have a good idea, surely?
.

No, I have just been using a bar with very few weights on to get the form right, but with no option to add much to the weight.

Now I have access to more plates I dont want to over load it and mess my back up.

Apologies, but you're still asking us to measure a piece of string.

You haven't told us exactly what weight you're using, and how it feels to you at the moment, and how many reps you want to achieve.

Edit: in the absence of that info, Grover & didely's answers are the best you're going to get.

Edited by ApexJimi on Tuesday 27th November 11:27