cardiac arrest during op
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what is the long term health implications to having a cardiac arrest while under general anaesthetic?
I ask cause its happened to me yesterday and was found out when the nurse was telling another nurse when I was in recovery that I had had adrenalin, an that was what it was for.
dont know how long I was out for but i dont think it was that long, well, not long enough for brain damage cause im still the same and havnt noticed any difference.
will it affect the heart as I started training again a while before my op and want to know if it will effect that.
I ask cause its happened to me yesterday and was found out when the nurse was telling another nurse when I was in recovery that I had had adrenalin, an that was what it was for.
dont know how long I was out for but i dont think it was that long, well, not long enough for brain damage cause im still the same and havnt noticed any difference.
will it affect the heart as I started training again a while before my op and want to know if it will effect that.
I'd be extremely surprised if you'd had a cardiac arrest yesterday and be fit for discharge today.
I'd expect that you would undergo a load of tests before being discharged. I would be asking your consultant exactly what happened.
If you were having cardiac surgery then I expect it could be common, but if you were having minor knee surgery I'd be more concerned.
Did they definitely say you'd had a cardiac arrest or could you have been peri-arrest?
I'd expect that you would undergo a load of tests before being discharged. I would be asking your consultant exactly what happened.
If you were having cardiac surgery then I expect it could be common, but if you were having minor knee surgery I'd be more concerned.
Did they definitely say you'd had a cardiac arrest or could you have been peri-arrest?
K77 CTR said:
I'd be extremely surprised if you'd had a cardiac arrest yesterday and be fit for discharge today.
I'd expect that you would undergo a load of tests before being discharged. I would be asking your consultant exactly what happened.
If you were having cardiac surgery then I expect it could be common, but if you were having minor knee surgery I'd be more concerned.
Did they definitely say you'd had a cardiac arrest or could you have been peri-arrest?
exactly...I'd expect that you would undergo a load of tests before being discharged. I would be asking your consultant exactly what happened.
If you were having cardiac surgery then I expect it could be common, but if you were having minor knee surgery I'd be more concerned.
Did they definitely say you'd had a cardiac arrest or could you have been peri-arrest?
I've seen a fit healthy 28yo arrest on the table during a knee ligament repair (he was discharged the next day), it does happen albeit rarely.
Only one way to find out - ask the anaesthetist who was in charge of your op, anything else is just speculation.
In terms of damage to your heart, if it was quick then unlikely, I believe. If it was long enough to be potentially damaging then they wouldn't have discharged you!
Only one way to find out - ask the anaesthetist who was in charge of your op, anything else is just speculation.
In terms of damage to your heart, if it was quick then unlikely, I believe. If it was long enough to be potentially damaging then they wouldn't have discharged you!
mph1977 said:
K77 CTR said:
I'd be extremely surprised if you'd had a cardiac arrest yesterday and be fit for discharge today.
I'd expect that you would undergo a load of tests before being discharged. I would be asking your consultant exactly what happened.
If you were having cardiac surgery then I expect it could be common, but if you were having minor knee surgery I'd be more concerned.
Did they definitely say you'd had a cardiac arrest or could you have been peri-arrest?
exactly...I'd expect that you would undergo a load of tests before being discharged. I would be asking your consultant exactly what happened.
If you were having cardiac surgery then I expect it could be common, but if you were having minor knee surgery I'd be more concerned.
Did they definitely say you'd had a cardiac arrest or could you have been peri-arrest?
If you had had a "Cardiac Arrest" I think you'd have needed more than just adrenaline. I once saw a lady go in to "extreme bradycardia" during a routine laparoscopy. She needed adrenaline and if she had arrested she would have known about it afterwards from the enormous bruise she'd have got from the carefully poised fist of the ODP.
Ask the anaesthetist what happened during your op.
Antonia said:
mph1977 said:
K77 CTR said:
I'd be extremely surprised if you'd had a cardiac arrest yesterday and be fit for discharge today.
I'd expect that you would undergo a load of tests before being discharged. I would be asking your consultant exactly what happened.
If you were having cardiac surgery then I expect it could be common, but if you were having minor knee surgery I'd be more concerned.
Did they definitely say you'd had a cardiac arrest or could you have been peri-arrest?
exactly...I'd expect that you would undergo a load of tests before being discharged. I would be asking your consultant exactly what happened.
If you were having cardiac surgery then I expect it could be common, but if you were having minor knee surgery I'd be more concerned.
Did they definitely say you'd had a cardiac arrest or could you have been peri-arrest?
If you had had a "Cardiac Arrest" I think you'd have needed more than just adrenaline. I once saw a lady go in to "extreme bradycardia" during a routine laparoscopy. She needed adrenaline and if she had arrested she would have known about it afterwards from the enormous bruise she'd have got from the carefully poised fist of the ODP.
Ask the anaesthetist what happened during your op.
mph1977 said:
Antonia said:
mph1977 said:
K77 CTR said:
I'd be extremely surprised if you'd had a cardiac arrest yesterday and be fit for discharge today.
I'd expect that you would undergo a load of tests before being discharged. I would be asking your consultant exactly what happened.
If you were having cardiac surgery then I expect it could be common, but if you were having minor knee surgery I'd be more concerned.
Did they definitely say you'd had a cardiac arrest or could you have been peri-arrest?
exactly...I'd expect that you would undergo a load of tests before being discharged. I would be asking your consultant exactly what happened.
If you were having cardiac surgery then I expect it could be common, but if you were having minor knee surgery I'd be more concerned.
Did they definitely say you'd had a cardiac arrest or could you have been peri-arrest?
If you had had a "Cardiac Arrest" I think you'd have needed more than just adrenaline. I once saw a lady go in to "extreme bradycardia" during a routine laparoscopy. She needed adrenaline and if she had arrested she would have known about it afterwards from the enormous bruise she'd have got from the carefully poised fist of the ODP.
Ask the anaesthetist what happened during your op.
You didn't have a cardiac arrest. You may have had somewhat of a bumpy anaesthetic.
[moves all his chips onto the board on this one]
Most likely your blood pressure dropped to low levels or your heart rate dropped to low level, or both, which is common peri-operative or post-operative and therefore required 'IV adrenaline' or 'IM adrenaline to boost the heart rate and blood pressure up so that the circulation is maintained.
If you had a proper ' cardiac arrest' that was unexpected...they would have kept you in to be investigated by the local cardiology/acute medical team before letting you out.
If it is the former scenario...you will have no subsequent sequelae.
SS
If you had a proper ' cardiac arrest' that was unexpected...they would have kept you in to be investigated by the local cardiology/acute medical team before letting you out.
If it is the former scenario...you will have no subsequent sequelae.
SS
Its very common for patients' pulse and/or blood pressure to drop during induction and maintenance of anaesthesia. Adrenaline/epinephrine is always on hand and is routinely used in small doses throughout surgery to maintain pulse and blood pressure. Having received adrenaline doesn't mean you've had a heart attack. The agonising pain of broken ribs and a bed on ITU/HDU would be proof if you had. Also, adrenaline is very short acting, and has no long term side effects - its part of your body's normal hormonal response, and so won't have any effect on your training.
Slink said:
hmm, ok then, might not have had a full on arrest then, might have just been something funky going on but not a full 'stop'.
will find out in a week when i see my surgeon.
Best of luck with that! will find out in a week when i see my surgeon.
You know the screen/drapes between the surgeon and the anaesthetist during the op? We call it the blood brain barrier....
And I'm on the red side of it!
umm, dont know what your talking about regarding drapes?
before the op when i was taking to the anaesthetist and he was about to give me the knock out juice, my surgeon came out, said hello and shook my hand an said how am i sort of thing. next i know after going "whoooooo" when the profopol was kicking in and buzzing me out i came round in recovery. never actually saw the inside of the theatre
before the op when i was taking to the anaesthetist and he was about to give me the knock out juice, my surgeon came out, said hello and shook my hand an said how am i sort of thing. next i know after going "whoooooo" when the profopol was kicking in and buzzing me out i came round in recovery. never actually saw the inside of the theatre
MercV8 said:
Propofol is why you had adrenaline, so no heart attack then.
Cardiac arrest isn't heart attack. A heart attack may lead to cardiac arrest but they're not the same thing - although people often think they are.You get the jump-start pads stuck on you if you're having a severe attack, but they mostly don't need to use them. You'd know about it if they did, though.
I dont know any anaesthetist that routinely uses adrenaline for BP and pulse maintanence intra-op for short daycase procedures.
It's far too potent and short acting to be useful.
You may well have had adrenaline into the joint at arthroscopy and the nurse may have simply been commenting that adrenaline is also used during a cardiac arrest.
It's far too potent and short acting to be useful.
You may well have had adrenaline into the joint at arthroscopy and the nurse may have simply been commenting that adrenaline is also used during a cardiac arrest.
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