PH 2014 Goals, Progress & Transformations Thread
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Art0ir said:
I've been taking maximuscle cyclone in the morning with oats and natural yogurt and then post workout as a shake. It's expensive but i got a few tubs at near half price so thought I'd try it. Has creation and lots of amino acids, etc and has been working well for me.
It's loaded with dextrose though so not ideal for cutting!
I have a couple of tubs of this, too (bought in the Amazon Black Friday sales), chocolate and banana. haven't tried them yet, though.It's loaded with dextrose though so not ideal for cutting!
OK, I signed up to My Fitness Pal and entered all the info about my daily intake.
It says my aim should be to consume around 1200 calories per day, if I do this, I should weigh 12st in 5 weeks.
The supplements (capsules) don't even register for anything (apart from CLA). Didn't realise that just one banana is 200 calories!
Based on what I put in for food, my calorie intake is 1,147 per day, and suggests that 'Based on your total calories consumed today, you are likely not eating enough'!
If I add crayfish with the prawns, it's fine and everything looks OK, apart from sodium, where I have a 1,284 deficit!
Another thing is, I added my exercises, but they do not reduce my calories, only the cardio does this. Is that right - if I am weight training 1.5 hours per day for 5 days, should that not decrease my calories?
I weighed myself this morning and was just over 12 stone 3, 77.5kg!
It says my aim should be to consume around 1200 calories per day, if I do this, I should weigh 12st in 5 weeks.
The supplements (capsules) don't even register for anything (apart from CLA). Didn't realise that just one banana is 200 calories!
Based on what I put in for food, my calorie intake is 1,147 per day, and suggests that 'Based on your total calories consumed today, you are likely not eating enough'!
If I add crayfish with the prawns, it's fine and everything looks OK, apart from sodium, where I have a 1,284 deficit!
Another thing is, I added my exercises, but they do not reduce my calories, only the cardio does this. Is that right - if I am weight training 1.5 hours per day for 5 days, should that not decrease my calories?
I weighed myself this morning and was just over 12 stone 3, 77.5kg!
It's quite a simple calculation so if you say you want to lose 5000kg by tomorrow it will advise 1200. That it advises 1200 suggests you're aiming for too sharp a drop in weight. This will have the following effects:
-you'll be hangry everyday and short-tempered
-you can suffer muscle loss
-you can feel weak and tired even after sleeping solidly for 8 hours
-your hair may fall out
-you may miss your periods.
And after you've hit your target, you'll binge eat and quickly put it all back.
Work out your TDEE and knock off 20%. That should be your target.
Edit: Oh, yeah, MFP doesn't include strength work as calorie burning.
-you'll be hangry everyday and short-tempered
-you can suffer muscle loss
-you can feel weak and tired even after sleeping solidly for 8 hours
-your hair may fall out
-you may miss your periods.
And after you've hit your target, you'll binge eat and quickly put it all back.
Work out your TDEE and knock off 20%. That should be your target.
Edit: Oh, yeah, MFP doesn't include strength work as calorie burning.
Edited by Hoofy on Saturday 13th December 14:06
Hoofy said:
It's quite a simple calculation so if you say you want to lose 5000kg by tomorrow it will advise 1200. That it advises 1200 suggests you're aiming for too sharp a drop in weight. This will have the following effects:
-you'll be hangry everyday and short-tempered
-you can suffer muscle loss
-you can feel weak and tired even after sleeping solidly for 8 hours
-your hair may fall out
-you may miss your periods.
And after you've hit your target, you'll binge eat and quickly put it all back.
Work out your TDEE and knock off 20%. That should be your target.
Edit: Oh, yeah, MFP doesn't include strength work as calorie burning.
Cheers -you'll be hangry everyday and short-tempered
-you can suffer muscle loss
-you can feel weak and tired even after sleeping solidly for 8 hours
-your hair may fall out
-you may miss your periods.
And after you've hit your target, you'll binge eat and quickly put it all back.
Work out your TDEE and knock off 20%. That should be your target.
Edit: Oh, yeah, MFP doesn't include strength work as calorie burning.
Edited by Hoofy on Saturday 13th December 14:06
It's difficult for me to know what's best, as I work from home and am sitting most of the day, either at my PC or workbench, so I use very little energy.
I could understand fully if I had a different job, where more energy would be expended, but, apart from the training I do, I cannot believe I need so much food!
And about the hair loss - too late for that one!
chris watton said:
Cheers
It's difficult for me to know what's best, as I work from home and am sitting most of the day, either at my PC or workbench, so I use very little energy.
I could understand fully if I had a different job, where more energy would be expended, but, apart from the training I do, I cannot believe I need so much food!
And about the hair loss - too late for that one!
Quit your job and get a job stacking shelves in Tesco, then. It's difficult for me to know what's best, as I work from home and am sitting most of the day, either at my PC or workbench, so I use very little energy.
I could understand fully if I had a different job, where more energy would be expended, but, apart from the training I do, I cannot believe I need so much food!
And about the hair loss - too late for that one!
The way I see it, as you build muscle, because you weigh heavier (due to more muscle) you increase your TDEE. Fat people have a higher TDEE than slim people. Dunno what they're complaining about TBH. It's easier for them to lose weight without dropping the calories significantly.
Anyway, if you work from home then you could sneak out for 10 minute walks or some HIIT.
Hoofy said:
Quit your job and get a job stacking shelves in Tesco, then.
The way I see it, as you build muscle, because you weigh heavier (due to more muscle) you increase your TDEE. Fat people have a higher TDEE than slim people. Dunno what they're complaining about TBH. It's easier for them to lose weight without dropping the calories significantly.
Anyway, if you work from home then you could sneak out for 10 minute walks or some HIIT.
The way I see it, as you build muscle, because you weigh heavier (due to more muscle) you increase your TDEE. Fat people have a higher TDEE than slim people. Dunno what they're complaining about TBH. It's easier for them to lose weight without dropping the calories significantly.
Anyway, if you work from home then you could sneak out for 10 minute walks or some HIIT.
My initial aim (probably stupid, after what I have learned since) was to lose all of the fat and build up after this, but at the same time as losing the fat (I must be over 80% there), build up muscle with the diet and plenty of protein. I has assumed (probably wrongly) that muscle would not be shed until all body fat was used up.
I did do weight training from the age of 13 (my dad was a bodybuilder, he taught me) until about 18/19 (when nightclubs were more preferable..), and I did end up at about 12 stone (I remember I was 7 stone when I started at 13), so I assume this would be my optimum weight as , because of my previous training, albeit almost three decades ago, I never lost all of it.
chris watton said:
My initial aim (probably stupid, after what I have learned since) was to lose all of the fat and build up after this, but at the same time as losing the fat (I must be over 80% there), build up muscle with the diet and plenty of protein. I has assumed (probably wrongly) that muscle would not be shed until all body fat was used up.
I did do weight training from the age of 13 (my dad was a bodybuilder, he taught me) until about 18/19 (when nightclubs were more preferable..), and I did end up at about 12 stone (I remember I was 7 stone when I started at 13), so I assume this would be my optimum weight as , because of my previous training, albeit almost three decades ago, I never lost all of it.
http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2014/04/29/fat...
Art0ir said:
This might be an interesting article for you Chris
http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2014/04/29/fat...
Thank you, an interesting read, and it echoes what other's have said regarding 'short fast bursts' on the bike rollers, rather than longer at a normal pace.http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2014/04/29/fat...
(I did 4 sets of deadlifts yesterday for the first time!)
What do you lot think of this: http://www.muscleandfitness.com/workouts/workout-t...
Hoofy said:
What do you lot think of this: http://www.muscleandfitness.com/workouts/workout-t...
Enjoyed reading that I am coming to the conclusion that you can't really go wrong if you exercise regularly and have a decent diet.
Also, I think I am being too hard on myself, regarding the last vestiges of fat. When I started this in May, I was convinced that it would take a full 12 months before I seen real change from exercise and diet, I was that out of shape. Seven months in, the change is quite big, so after another 5 months, I am hoping to be the same weight I am now, but less body fat. (77.5kg)
I also think that, because we are all different, we have to do what is best for us, without it becoming boring or uncomfortable - what works for some may not necessarily work so well for others, so I pick and choose what I have learned, and see what best works for me. But ultimately, it always comes down to regular exercise and healthy diet.
Is that the best way to look at it?
Edited by chris watton on Sunday 14th December 11:52
Yeah, I'm not bothered with HIIT (used to do a lot) as I started thinking about what I'm likely to still do in 10 years' time. I mean, what is the point in putting yourself through all the struggle if 5 years later your life is going to change (eg having a baby or a new job that requires a lot of travel) and you just bin all your hard work? You might as well have spent the last year in the pub gorging on pies and ale. Also, I work a lot with over 60s and can see what happens when life and/or injury/illness gets in the way. Whilst we can't avoid the latter, we can certainly gain the knowledge to reduce the impact some things have on our health, fitness and physical appearance.
So, I tend to do stuff that is both interesting/entertaining/fun and burns calories. Whether that's Sunday league football or kettlebell training, if you want to do it then you're more likely to stick with it even when the weather's s
t and you previously would have rather just sit in front of the TV stuffing your face with crisps.
In that regard, we're all the same - nobody will do something for long that they really have no motivation to do.
So, I tend to do stuff that is both interesting/entertaining/fun and burns calories. Whether that's Sunday league football or kettlebell training, if you want to do it then you're more likely to stick with it even when the weather's s
t and you previously would have rather just sit in front of the TV stuffing your face with crisps.In that regard, we're all the same - nobody will do something for long that they really have no motivation to do.
Edited by Hoofy on Sunday 14th December 11:55
Hoofy said:
What do you lot think of this: http://www.muscleandfitness.com/workouts/workout-t...
"Diet is key, be consistent with training and don't get suckered into every latest fad." Straight forward enough!Art0ir said:
Hoofy said:
What do you lot think of this: http://www.muscleandfitness.com/workouts/workout-t...
"Diet is key, be consistent with training and don't get suckered into every latest fad." Straight forward enough!goldblum said:
*cough* Training is key, be consistent with diet etc etc. Incidentally runners, both recreational and competitive, have been using interval training (or HIIT) for decades. To them HIIT is a 'fad'. The concept is also misunderstood in its application and affect by 90% of weight trainers.
I don't follow, are you disagreeing with me? Looks like a typical "fitness" magazine 10 Steps to... article wrapping up common sense as some new found truths.Art0ir said:
goldblum said:
*cough* Training is key, be consistent with diet etc etc. Incidentally runners, both recreational and competitive, have been using interval training (or HIIT) for decades. To them HIIT is a 'fad'. The concept is also misunderstood in its application and affect by 90% of weight trainers.
I don't follow, are you disagreeing with me? Looks like a typical "fitness" magazine 10 Steps to... article wrapping up common sense as some new found truths.
Art0ir said:
140kgx4 box squat tonight. Only thing I did differently was use a belt. The core stability it gives you is incredible but don't want to rely on it more than I have to.
Did 4x120kg below parallel normal squat after (without belt) which is still a PR so all good.
I've bought a reasonably priced pair of lifting shoes which I'm going to try next week and experiment with more knee flexion and a more upright torso instead of being so hip dominant.
Make and model?Did 4x120kg below parallel normal squat after (without belt) which is still a PR so all good.
I've bought a reasonably priced pair of lifting shoes which I'm going to try next week and experiment with more knee flexion and a more upright torso instead of being so hip dominant.
And how does the sizing go, vis-a-vis your normal shoe/trainer sizing?
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