Advice on cutting / getting shredded!

Advice on cutting / getting shredded!

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Eleven

26,271 posts

221 months

Friday 21st March 2014
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goldblum said:
Eleven said:
Personal experience makes me doubt what you are saying.
What experience is that then?
Just spending the last 25 years in gyms. I am no expert and don't claim to be one.

How about you?



didelydoo

5,528 posts

209 months

Friday 21st March 2014
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Eleven said:
Just spending the last 25 years in gyms. I am no expert and don't claim to be one.

How about you?
Goldblum is never wrong, to argue will be futile wink

Eleven

26,271 posts

221 months

Friday 21st March 2014
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didelydoo said:
Goldblum is never wrong, to argue will be futile wink
I am beginning to understand this.

FwdConvert

305 posts

121 months

Friday 21st March 2014
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Eleven said:
didelydoo said:
Goldblum is never wrong, to argue will be futile wink
I am beginning to understand this.
Ah, but is that because you read it in a book, learned it on a course, got told so by your 'bro didelydoo or from personal experience?

goldblum

10,272 posts

166 months

Friday 21st March 2014
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Eleven said:
goldblum said:
Eleven said:
Personal experience makes me doubt what you are saying.
What experience is that then?
Just spending the last 25 years in gyms. I am no expert and don't claim to be one.
Anyway, so you think this:
Eleven said:
But if he starts using muscles that were previously less used they will grow.
When applied to 6 weeks HIIT,

and then you say this:
Eleven said:
Just spending the last 25 years in gyms. I am no expert and don't claim to be one.
What have you been doing for the last 25 years in the gym that you don't know a bit about human physiology? Zumba?



jimbobsimmonds

1,824 posts

164 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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Wow I opened a can of worms.

I have lifted weights for 5 years now (im 23) but have neglected cardio for the last 18 months. I am now putting HIIT into the mix post weights. Diet and my weight training havent changed.

Digger

14,591 posts

190 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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jimbobsimmonds said:
Wow I opened a can of worms.

I have lifted weights for 5 years now (im 23) but have neglected cardio for the last 18 months. I am now putting HIIT into the mix post weights. Diet and my weight training havent changed.
To be highly recommended.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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Zumba made me laugh.

FwdConvert

305 posts

121 months

Saturday 22nd March 2014
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Digger said:
jimbobsimmonds said:
Wow I opened a can of worms.

I have lifted weights for 5 years now (im 23) but have neglected cardio for the last 18 months. I am now putting HIIT into the mix post weights. Diet and my weight training havent changed.
To be highly recommended.
Ah, but what evidence do you have for that? Some Zumba Instructor's 'bro science?

jimbobsimmonds

1,824 posts

164 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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FwdConvert said:
Digger said:
jimbobsimmonds said:
Wow I opened a can of worms.

I have lifted weights for 5 years now (im 23) but have neglected cardio for the last 18 months. I am now putting HIIT into the mix post weights. Diet and my weight training havent changed.
To be highly recommended.
Ah, but what evidence do you have for that? Some Zumba Instructor's 'bro science?
As promised the results from the University with regard to my bodpod. Column 1 is me last week, Column 2 is me in November and Column 3 is the average UK Male (16-24)

Apologies about the formatting. Copying from PDF's is a pain!

SPORT ] ] ]
AGE 23 23 16-24
HEIGHT ^ 179.3 cm 179.2 cm 177.4 cm
MASS v 88.5 kg 90.5 kg 76.8 kg
BMI v 27.5 kg/m2 28.2 kg/m2 24.4 kg/m2
BODY FAT % v 9.9 % 11.0 % 15-20 %
FAT MASS v 8.8 kg 10.0 kg 11.5-15.4 kg
LEAN MASS v 79.7 kg 80.5 kg 61.4-65.3 kg
BODY DENSITY £ 1.0763 kg/L 1.0736 kg/L 1.053-1.065 kg/L
BODY VOLUME v 81.698 L 83.313 L 72.15-72.92 L


Despite the 10% increase in strength lean mass has actually decreased slightly along with fat mass and a slightly improved bf% (now 9.9%).

What was interesting in discussion is that sometimes it's not how much muscle you have but how well they work and how well they work together. The mixup in my training and the effects that this may be having on my CNS efficiency could explain the increase in strength. Ie I don't have more muscle but what I do have is working better. My body metrics (ie chest, thighs measurements etc) do also suggest I have lost weight round the middle and maintained in the upper limbs and gained some around my arse and things).

And despite the overall 1% drop in bf I now have the blurry outline of some abdominals. Going in the right direction! As an engineer seeing yourself in data form makes for interesting reading!

Edited by jimbobsimmonds on Monday 7th April 15:08

Foliage

3,861 posts

121 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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Where do you start with cutting? im currently dieting and have lost a good amount of weight and have started couch to 5k, I don't want to be massive but I want to be lean and have shape (id love a bit of a 6 pack). Do I need to try to get down to a certain % body fat?

My diet is currently 1700 calories a day, no rice/pasta/bread.

Eleven

26,271 posts

221 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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jimbobsimmonds said:
As promised the results from the University with regard to my bodpod. Column 1 is me last week, Column 2 is me in November and Column 3 is the average UK Male (16-24)

Apologies about the formatting. Copying from PDF's is a pain!

SPORT ] ] ]
AGE 23 23 16-24
HEIGHT ^ 179.3 cm 179.2 cm 177.4 cm
MASS v 88.5 kg 90.5 kg 76.8 kg
BMI v 27.5 kg/m2 28.2 kg/m2 24.4 kg/m2
BODY FAT % v 9.9 % 11.0 % 15-20 %
FAT MASS v 8.8 kg 10.0 kg 11.5-15.4 kg
LEAN MASS v 79.7 kg 80.5 kg 61.4-65.3 kg
BODY DENSITY £ 1.0763 kg/L 1.0736 kg/L 1.053-1.065 kg/L
BODY VOLUME v 81.698 L 83.313 L 72.15-72.92 L


Despite the 10% increase in strength lean mass has actually decreased slightly along with fat mass and a slightly improved bf% (now 9.9%).

What was interesting in discussion is that sometimes it's not how much muscle you have but how well they work and how well they work together. The mixup in my training and the effects that this may be having on my CNS efficiency could explain the increase in strength. Ie I don't have more muscle but what I do have is working better. My body metrics (ie chest, thighs measurements etc) do also suggest I have lost weight round the middle and maintained in the upper limbs and gained some around my arse and things).

And despite the overall 1% drop in bf I now have the blurry outline of some abdominals. Going in the right direction! As an engineer seeing yourself in data form makes for interesting reading!

Edited by jimbobsimmonds on Monday 7th April 15:08
You're under 10%BF and only have blurry abs? I have no idea what BF I am, mid teens I would estimate, and I have the blurry makings of a 6-pack.


Hoofy

76,253 posts

281 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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Jimbob, is that relaxed or flexed?

Edit: as in can you only see a vague outline when relaxed or flexed?

Edited by Hoofy on Monday 7th April 17:13

jimbobsimmonds

1,824 posts

164 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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Hoofy said:
Jimbob, is that relaxed or flexed?

Edit: as in can you only see a vague outline when relaxed or flexed?

Edited by Hoofy on Monday 7th April 17:13
Relaxed and obviously a little better when flexed.

As for those saying I am x% bf but abs etc, everybody carries fat differently, i just seem to carry it all in the wrong place smile. Until I was 18 I weighed 123kgs at my peak so have some issues I suspect related to that.

The chap suggested a DEXA to see what it actually is around there.

torqueofthedevil

Original Poster:

2,068 posts

176 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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How on earth do people cut bread out of their diet?!? I pretty much eat it with every meal! And certainly lots of carbs -
Example of today's food which I consider healthy:

2 x slices brown bread with peanut butter
1 x bowl of bran flakes
1 x portion of beef goulash with new potatoes and rice
1 x salmon, new potatoes, asparagus and sugar snaps
1 x yoghurt
Some grapes


Normally I would also have 2 x slices of brown bread with macrel.

At weekend have bagels and croissants. Toast as snacks, bread to mop up tea, naans with curries etc.

Can't imaging going much more than a day without it!

Hoofy

76,253 posts

281 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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Someone will be along shortly to tell you to cut out the potatoes. biggrin

Today's food certainly does sound healthy but without knowing the calorie count for everything, I couldn't tell you whether you'll get fat or lose weight. But it's all about health, right? wink

torqueofthedevil

Original Poster:

2,068 posts

176 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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True, being healthy is most important bit. I've pretty much cut out all fast food, processed food, sugary drinks etc and after about 3 months of that I'm definitely trimmer. It's just the final push now tho - 6 weeks till I go on holiday so just want that extra mile to get the best results. I feel like if I cut bread out ill just be hungry and then more likely to snack / eat badly.

joshcowin

6,775 posts

175 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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torqueofthedevil said:
True, being healthy is most important bit. I've pretty much cut out all fast food, processed food, sugary drinks etc and after about 3 months of that I'm definitely trimmer. It's just the final push now tho - 6 weeks till I go on holiday so just want that extra mile to get the best results. I feel like if I cut bread out ill just be hungry and then more likely to snack / eat badly.
To really cut, drop the carbs, sub in sweet potatoes, brown rice! Also oats in the morning would be better than bran flakes!

Limit your carbs to post workout meals. This works for me.

No doubt someone will disagree however I think nutrition is different for everybody!

I wish you luck and I'm sure in 6 weeks time it will be worth all the sacrifice!

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 7th April 2014
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joshcowin said:
To really cut, drop the carbs, sub in sweet potatoes, brown rice! Also oats in the morning would be better than bran flakes!

Limit your carbs to post workout meals. This works for me.
You know that all those items are carbs?

Foliage

3,861 posts

121 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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torqueofthedevil said:
How on earth do people cut bread out of their diet?!?
Its easy cutting something out of your diet, you don't stick it in your gob.