Body fat target.

[Eleven]

ewenm said:

Eleven said:

I think I still prefer the opinion of a professional nutritionist and a doctor over second-hand discussion from an Internet chat room.

"Nutritionist" isn't a reserved term in the UK - "professionalism" may vary. You want a "Dietician" really as my registered dietician friend keeps banging on about

I saw a dietician once. Utterly useless. Whatever happens from here my chap would run circles around the dietician. Big circles mind you, she was quite fat.

[Westy Carl]

Eleven said:

I saw a dietician once. Utterly useless. Whatever happens from here my chap would run circles around the dietician. Big circles mind you, she was quite fat.

In a social setting I was introduced to a "Nutritionist", must have been as least 18st, it was all I could do not to say anything.

The "diet" you are following seems like hard work (for me), what do you plan to do after reaching your target?

[ewenm]

Eleven said:

ewenm said:

Eleven said:

I think I still prefer the opinion of a professional nutritionist and a doctor over second-hand discussion from an Internet chat room.

"Nutritionist" isn't a reserved term in the UK - "professionalism" may vary. You want a "Dietician" really as my registered dietician friend keeps banging on about

I saw a dietician once. Utterly useless. Whatever happens from here my chap would run circles around the dietician. Big circles mind you, she was quite fat.

Whereas my dietician friend is an ultra-marathoner and mostly works with the English Institute of Sport to advise on athlete nutrition. Takes all sorts I guess, but at least a Registered Dietician comes with a recognised meaningful qualification.

[Eleven]

Westy Carl said:

In a social setting I was introduced to a "Nutritionist", must have been as least 18st, it was all I could do not to say anything.

The "diet" you are following seems like hard work (for me), what do you plan to do after reaching your target?

It's not that hard outside of the fact that it changes every two weeks at the moment.

What do I plan to do after reaching my target? That's when the fun starts.

[Chapppers]

This sounds like Poliquin biosignature?

[Eleven]

Chapppers said:

This sounds like Poliquin biosignature?

Correct.

[goldblum]

Eleven said:

Chapppers said:

This sounds like Poliquin biosignature?

Correct.

Will you be doing exercise and the diet or just the diet?

[Chapppers]

Eleven said:

Chapppers said:

This sounds like Poliquin biosignature?

Correct.

Sorry, meant to reply earlier. My question is, what's the "end game" - my gym does the Poliquin BioSig stuff alongside the various PT packages and I've always wondered if it's a good (expensive) thing to do to really kick start a change in your health or if it would be a temporary fix that would last a while and then slowly diminish as the person drifted back into their bad habits and no longer had access to all the supplements and advice.

It does seem like genuine good advice, and very clever stuff though. I think my problem would be I couldn't fit it around my lifestyle and I don't know if it could overrule my appetite!

[Eleven]

goldblum said:

Eleven said:

Chapppers said:

This sounds like Poliquin biosignature?

Correct.

Will you be doing exercise and the diet or just the diet?

I am training 4 times per week.

[Eleven]

Chapppers said:

Eleven said:

Chapppers said:

This sounds like Poliquin biosignature?

Correct.

Sorry, meant to reply earlier. My question is, what's the "end game" - my gym does the Poliquin BioSig stuff alongside the various PT packages and I've always wondered if it's a good (expensive) thing to do to really kick start a change in your health or if it would be a temporary fix that would last a while and then slowly diminish as the person drifted back into their bad habits and no longer had access to all the supplements and advice.

It does seem like genuine good advice, and very clever stuff though. I think my problem would be I couldn't fit it around my lifestyle and I don't know if it could overrule my appetite!

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I am not doing any of the PT stuff, just the nutrition. The gym where this is based is not my cup of tea. That said, the chap has given me a few excellent training tips too.

The end game is 11% body fat by June 2015. After that, staying there (the bigger challenge!).

Right now I feel a bit like I am training for a sporting event, which is probably good.

Will the benefits diminish if someone doesn't stick with the program? Inevitably, yes. But that is true of any nutrition and fitness regime isn't it.

[goldblum]

Eleven said:

goldblum said:

Eleven said:

Chapppers said:

This sounds like Poliquin biosignature?

Correct.

Will you be doing exercise and the diet or just the diet?

I am training 4 times per week.

How will you know if it's the diet or the training that's effective if you detect a measurable effect?

[Eleven]

goldblum said:

Eleven said:

goldblum said:

Eleven said:

Chapppers said:

This sounds like Poliquin biosignature?

Correct.

Will you be doing exercise and the diet or just the diet?

I am training 4 times per week.

How will you know if it's the diet or the training that's effective if you detect a measurable effect?

Because I was training prior to starting with the nutritionist.

[Hoofy]

Deja vu?

[goldblum]

Eleven said:

goldblum said:

Eleven said:

goldblum said:

Eleven said:

Chapppers said:

This sounds like Poliquin biosignature?

Correct.

Will you be doing exercise and the diet or just the diet?

I am training 4 times per week.

How will you know if it's the diet or the training that's effective if you detect a measurable effect?

Because I was training prior to starting with the nutritionist.

And? That doesn't mean you won't still experience gains from training. Quite likely you'll train harder knowing you're on a 'special' diet. And as hormonal releases are similar with the Poliquin protocol and exercise you won't know which actually worked. I'd be interested to read of someone who lost weight from specific areas via Poliquin without doing any exercise at all.

[Eleven]

goldblum said:

And as hormonal releases are similar with the Poliquin protocol and exercise you won't know which actually worked.

There isn't a "Poliquin protocol" as far as I am aware.

I am training differently, yes. But there again it is only due to the advice of the nutritionist. So any gains are attributable to his advice. I am training no harder, in fact I am training less hard, less often and for a shorter period.

[otolith]

I don't see the problem with a dietitian not practicing what he preaches, so long as the advice given is sound. You doctor won't change his advice on smoking, even if he's prone to nip out the back of the surgery and come back in sucking polo mints.

[goldblum]

Eleven said:

There isn't a "Poliquin protocol" as far as I am aware.

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Eleven said:

I am training differently, yes. But there again it is only due to the advice of the nutritionist. So any gains are attributable to his advice. I am training no harder, in fact I am training less hard, less often and for a shorter period.

So a nutritionist gave you training advice and this includes more recovery? Hormone levels will change, particularly testosterone, and this will negate any effect the Poliquin protocol might have on t levels surely? Call me sceptical... .

Again - my question is how will you know whether any gains are down to the diet or the training as they both can alter hormone levels. Friendly question BTW - I'm curious why don't you find a good gym plan and stick to it, how many different regimes have you followed now?

[Eleven]

goldblum said:

Eleven said:

There isn't a "Poliquin protocol" as far as I am aware.

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Eleven said:

I am training differently, yes. But there again it is only due to the advice of the nutritionist. So any gains are attributable to his advice. I am training no harder, in fact I am training less hard, less often and for a shorter period.

So a nutritionist gave you training advice and this includes more recovery? Hormone levels will change, particularly testosterone, and this will negate any effect the Poliquin protocol might have on t levels surely? Call me sceptical... .

Again - my question is how will you know whether any gains are down to the diet or the training as they both can alter hormone levels. Friendly question BTW - I'm curious why don't you find a good gym plan and stick to it, how many different regimes have you followed now?

There isn't a "Poliquin Protocol" as far as I am aware. There are different protocols depending upon the requirement of the client.

I have tried training regimes over the years and none of them has addressed my current requirement. In fact quite specifically none of the things I used to do have recently helped me. Which is why I sought professional advice.

Q: "why don't I just find a good gym plan and stick to it"

A: Partly answered above. Also, I was fairly certain that my problems weren't exercise based, but diet based and it seems I was correct.

Also "finding a good gym plan" is not straightforward. A great deal of the "good advice" available online is of limited use. There are some PTs at our gym who probably know their stuff, most I suspect don't.

Q: How many different regimes have I followed now?

A: It depends upon how you define regime. I have been training for about 30 years during which time I have trained myriad ways. Diet wise I've pursued different ones for different requirements. That's perfectly normal. I haven't been jumping on every latest fad going if that's what you mean.

I would go on to say that the nutritionist I am seeing has barely mentioned Poliquin and not really pushed those supplements. I have bought them, but he has usually told me where else I can buy equivalent products. Furthermore none of the written stuff is Poliquin branded, it's all his own stuff.

[goldblum]

Eleven said:

There isn't a "Poliquin Protocol" as far as I am aware. There are different protocols depending upon the requirement of the client.

Protocol: The accepted or established code of procedure or behaviour in any group, organization, or situation.
The protocol involves taking skin calliper measurements and adjustments in diet and exercise in order to spot reduce fat through hormone level adaptation. The procedure is client specific but clear.
I only mentioned this because chappers previously said it sounded like you were doing Poliquin Biosignature and you replied 'correct'. I understand now that you are not actually following Poliquin, but an adaptation designed by your nutritionist.

Eleven said:

Also, I was fairly certain that my problems weren't exercise based, but diet based and it seems I was correct.

What problems, if you don't mind me asking?

Eleven said:

Also "finding a good gym plan" is not straightforward.

Lots of good information out there, along with the rubbish. If you've been training for as long as you say you have you must have an idea what works?

Eleven said:

I haven't been jumping on every latest fad going if that's what you mean.

It wasn't actually, I was just a bit puzzled. If, as you say, other diets/regimes have worked then why try something unproven based on Poliquin/Biosig?

[Eleven]

goldblum said:

Eleven said:

There isn't a "Poliquin Protocol" as far as I am aware. There are different protocols depending upon the requirement of the client.

Protocol: The accepted or established code of procedure or behaviour in any group, organization, or situation.
The protocol involves taking skin calliper measurements and adjustments in diet and exercise in order to spot reduce fat through hormone level adaptation. The procedure is client specific but clear.
I only mentioned this because chappers previously said it sounded like you were doing Poliquin Biosignature and you replied 'correct'. I understand now that you are not actually following Poliquin, but an adaptation designed by your nutritionist.

Eleven said:

Also, I was fairly certain that my problems weren't exercise based, but diet based and it seems I was correct.

What problems, if you don't mind me asking?

Eleven said:

Also "finding a good gym plan" is not straightforward.

Lots of good information out there, along with the rubbish. If you've been training for as long as you say you have you must have an idea what works?

Eleven said:

I haven't been jumping on every latest fad going if that's what you mean.

It wasn't actually, I was just a bit puzzled. If, as you say, other diets/regimes have worked then why try something unproven based on Poliquin/Biosig?

You've not grasped what protocol means in this context. Poliquin, it would appear, has a number of protocols that can be applied to a specific requirement. Saying that someone is on "The Poliquin Protocol" is like saying that someone is on the "food diet". It's meaningless.

The approach is not to spot reduce fat, it's to use measurement of fat at prescribed locations to obtain an indication of the cause of fat accumulation.

You asked:

Q: What problems, if you don't mind me asking?

A: Trouble shifting accumulated body fat whilst apparently training very hard, eating cleanly and not over eating.

You said: "Lots of good information out there, along with the rubbish".

The problem being that everyone on the Internet is an expert. Everyone thinks they know the answers, and wants to pooh-pooh any theory that is incongruous with their own. Present company excepted obviously.

You also said: "If you've been training for as long as you say you have you must have an idea what works?"

Well I have been training for as long as that and as I mention above what used to work for me has ceased to be effective. Hence my quest for a solution. Which also answers I think your question:

"If, as you say, other diets/regimes have worked then why try something unproven based on Poliquin/Biosig?"

I would add that I didn't seek out this chap because he is a Poliquin bod, he was recommended to me by a sports physio whose opinion I trust.

That help?