iliotibial band lengthening

iliotibial band lengthening

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mrpurple

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2,624 posts

188 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Have found lots of references to iliotibial band problems on here but none where anybody has had it operated on to be lengthened.

Consultant states 85% success rate but others tell me rate is much lower. Anyone on here had it it done? Had constant hip / thigh / groin pain & tightness and has been a major problem post a THR 4 years ago.

Digger

14,669 posts

191 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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I'm assuming you do plenty of stretching for it?

mrpurple

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2,624 posts

188 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Digger said:
I'm assuming you do plenty of stretching for it?
Has only just been diagnosed (after making a big fuss!!!) as the cause of the pain and not even previously raised as a possible cause.... after bursa infection and the back being ruled out, then steroid injections, Tens, and radiofrequency (plus masses of various painkillers) I was told 18 months ago it was chronic pain, ignore and learn to live with it without anyone actually being able to explain why it was occurring.

Only ever had 2 short physio sessions: One gave me some exercises that I could not do, the other a foam roller which was too painful....never stretching exercise which, having done some googling, I can see could be beneficial. New consultant was first to understand symptoms, in fact he described them 100% to me not the other way round!

edited to add

plus there are things like this: http://saveyourself.ca/articles/iliotibial-band-sy...

Edited by mrpurple on Tuesday 22 July 15:20

Four Litre

2,019 posts

192 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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What pain are you getting? IMHO Surgery should really be last resort.

I had a problem with running and had various sessions with docs and physio sessions to try to overcome it. None worked. Amazingly I looked on U-Tube for extercises and came across a guy with the same problem/symptoms in the states, he had also spent quite a bit of time trying to resolve the issue and had found a particular stretch. Within a week I was running again! I do them once a week to maintain flexibility.

Not saying you will find a miracle cure but at least explore other avenues before surgery.

NorthDave

2,366 posts

232 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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This is the best stretch I've found. Really works for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0e8FPL787E

Video isn't half bad either!

mrpurple

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2,624 posts

188 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Four Litre said:
What pain are you getting? IMHO Surgery should really be last resort.

I had a problem with running and had various sessions with docs and physio sessions to try to overcome it. None worked. Amazingly I looked on U-Tube for extercises and came across a guy with the same problem/symptoms in the states, he had also spent quite a bit of time trying to resolve the issue and had found a particular stretch. Within a week I was running again! I do them once a week to maintain flexibility.

Not saying you will find a miracle cure but at least explore other avenues before surgery.
Hard to explain pain which may not have helped the diagnosis.

Harsh, sore constantly nagging pain 24/7 over boney bit of hip which reduces and changes to tightness as it radiates down outside of thigh, across the groin and under buttock ending at the boney bit you sit on. This is at a constant level regardless of what I am doing, active, sitting, sleeping....... most ITB problems I have researched seem to involve the knee however my pain seems to stop just above it.

Not sure there are many other avenues to follow and surgery is probably my last chance before I am forced to accept what some have told me previously.... "ignore it and stop looking for cures / answers!!!!" - just not willing / ready / able to do that just yet.

ps this is pain that I did NOT have pre THR but have had ever since it was done over 4 years ago.


dreamer75

1,402 posts

228 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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I have problems with a tight ITB - historically have had a lot of back issues, back surgeries and various other issues which have contributed. The tight ITB is still an issue on and off.

There's lots you can do to stretch it yourself, and i would definitely be doing that before surgery! Find a good physio and get them to show you the exercises/stretching. The foam roller is indeed agony (even the cat trying to walk on it has been agony) but it does work and it does become less painful. I've gone from total agony, to being able to roll full body weight along it. There are also stretches, but good form is important for them.

Would definitely be seeing a good physio and doing stretches etc. before even contemplating something like surgery.

mrpurple

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2,624 posts

188 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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I take on board the comments about physio, stretching etc and already having had several operations in the last few years I don't particularly relish having another.

However I can't help wondering why this, new and highly respected, Ortho consultant went straight to having the ITB operation withing minutes of examining me and not and not suggest these alternatives first.

Clio200pat

143 posts

188 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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I'm in a similar position to you, I've had tightness and aching in my hip for the last 2.5 years. 3 months ago I had a hip arthroscopy for a femoroacetabular hip impingement where they shaved the hip and repaired the torn labrum.

Post surgery tightness doesn't seem to be much better. I've been given loads of stretches and strengthening work to do every day (which I do religiously) and while it loosens up for a bit it does go back to being very tight all the time. I find that while the NHS physio is good you don't get enough sessions and they don't offer anything to combat muscle tightness.

I've tried a few alternative practices and also been told to roll my ITB with a foam roller, though this is very painful. Sports massage sort of help, though I find it really winds up the area for a few days as they have to be quite aggressive to get to those muscles. The one thing I've found that does help is swimming.

From speaking to a few specialists it seems that if you've got tightness in these areas that have gone on for some time it is quite difficult to loosen them off. Treatment that's been suggested to me is dry needling, I've not actually had any done yet, but am off to my first appointment later today. All shall report back and let you know how it goes.

As others have said, surgery should be the last option. As frustrating as it is I think you just need to find the treatment that works best for you.

mrpurple

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2,624 posts

188 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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Clio200pat said:
I'm in a similar position to you, I've had tightness and aching in my hip for the last 2.5 years. 3 months ago I had a hip arthroscopy for a femoroacetabular hip impingement where they shaved the hip and repaired the torn labrum.

Post surgery tightness doesn't seem to be much better. I've been given loads of stretches and strengthening work to do every day (which I do religiously) and while it loosens up for a bit it does go back to being very tight all the time. I find that while the NHS physio is good you don't get enough sessions and they don't offer anything to combat muscle tightness.

I've tried a few alternative practices and also been told to roll my ITB with a foam roller, though this is very painful. Sports massage sort of help, though I find it really winds up the area for a few days as they have to be quite aggressive to get to those muscles. The one thing I've found that does help is swimming.

From speaking to a few specialists it seems that if you've got tightness in these areas that have gone on for some time it is quite difficult to loosen them off. Treatment that's been suggested to me is dry needling, I've not actually had any done yet, but am off to my first appointment later today. All shall report back and let you know how it goes.

As others have said, surgery should be the last option. As frustrating as it is I think you just need to find the treatment that works best for you.
Hope this doesn't come over wrongly but in a way I am glad I have found somebody in a similar position. I tried swimming last week (never was my strongpoint) struggled to do more than a few strokes before floundering.

Not sure what is "dry needling" but look forward to hearing your report (I have had radiofrequency where needles were inserted - sort of electric shock therapy).

Didn't want to go into too much depth and bore people but perhaps I should have stated the reason for my THR was based on a hip deformity from birth so not only was my hip replaced, it was also repositioned slightly and my leg was lengthened... an analogy in my mind perhaps a bit like trying to get an old (well worn) fan belt to stretch a bit further and to a slightly different position than it had been for the last 50+ years?

Genuinely hope the dry needling works for you.

edited to add:

Just googled dry needling....very interesting indeed.

Edited by mrpurple on Wednesday 23 July 12:30

Clio200pat

143 posts

188 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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mrpurple said:
Hope this doesn't come over wrongly but in a way I am glad I have found somebody in a similar position. I tried swimming last week (never was my strongpoint) struggled to do more than a few strokes before floundering.
I know exactly what you mean. There seems to be a lot of advice out there, but not from people going throught the same thing at the moment.

Have you tried swimming with a float? I swim with one, that's because I've been told not to do breast stroke at the moment and crawl kills me after a few lengths. My main aim was to get back into cycling which annoyingly really winds it up at the moment.

Dry needling is a bit like acupuncture, but instead they target the muscle trigger points to get them to ease off. anyway I'll let you know how it goes.

dreamer75

1,402 posts

228 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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I had dry needling and it does help - think acupuncture with long thin needles. They get stuck into the tight muscles and left, then after a few mins twisted a bit, then a few minutes later taken out. Nice red marks left for a little while! Does help too.

It isn't impossible to stretch out - honestly I couldn't even bare the cat's pressure on my legs but now I can roller then and a lot of the pain they caused has gone. This was after years of pain. It took patience and perseverance, daily stretching and rolling, weekly physio for quite a while, but I got there. That and Pilates and Yoga. All worth it to avoid any sort of surgery (I can't even figure out how surgery would help lengthen something?)

Can you call the ortho's secretary and leave hims message, asking his opinion on a physio programme? I found once referred to the back specialist his answer to most things was surgery, because he's a surgeon. I was only referred to him after the original guy I saw (also a consultant) had exhausted all other options. I would certainly be discussing other methods of treatment before agreeing to surgery!

Not sure where you're based, but Activ8 in Chertsey are a physio who are very good at this sort of thing, and specialise in sports people - keeping you moving and active, not mollycoddling you smile

dreamer75

1,402 posts

228 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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PS Clio - I've got into mountain biking and it does flare it up so I need to keep up with the stretching and occasional rolling.

mrpurple

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2,624 posts

188 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Many thanks for the comments....given me food for thought that's for sure. Would be nice if I could have spoken to someone that has already had it done before making a final decision.

RRLover

450 posts

202 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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My IT band has actually got a tear in it near the hip joint, i've had close to 20 years of niggling pain on it, been to numerous "specialists" & its not repairable.
PT told me to use a foam roller & try & stretch it out. Seems to help slightly

Driller

8,310 posts

278 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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I've this for years and didn't even know that's what it was-thanks op!

Best stretch I've found ( fitness instructor bil showed me) is the following, if for example you want to stretch the outside of your right leg:

Step slightly forward and to the right with your left leg and bend at the knee a bit. Cross your right leg behind and about 2 feet to the left of the right foot and place it with its out edge touching the ground.

Now, keeping the right leg straight, lean over to the left with your right arm curving over your head to the left as if stretching the right latisimus dorsi and feel the stretch all the way down the outside of your right leg to your right foot.

Sounds complicated but it really works.

mrpurple

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2,624 posts

188 months

Sunday 27th July 2014
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Booked in for the operation in just over 2 weeks time irked

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Sunday 27th July 2014
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Driller said:
I've this for years and didn't even know that's what it was-thanks op!

Best stretch I've found ( fitness instructor bil showed me) is the following, if for example you want to stretch the outside of your right leg:

Step slightly forward and to the right with your left leg and bend at the knee a bit. Cross your right leg behind and about 2 feet to the left of the right foot and place it with its out edge touching the ground.

Now, keeping the right leg straight, lean over to the left with your right arm curving over your head to the left as if stretching the right latisimus dorsi and feel the stretch all the way down the outside of your right leg to your right foot.

Sounds complicated but it really works.
Sounds good. biggrin

mrpurple

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2,624 posts

188 months

Monday 18th August 2014
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6 days post op.........too early to say how successful.........still sore, black, blue and yellow......... epidural was interesting sensation i must say frown

RRLover

450 posts

202 months

Wednesday 8th October 2014
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Any updates ?