Fit but want to lose fat around waist... how?
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Hoofy said:
Don't over-think it.
A thousand times this. If your over thinking it then maybe you don't really want to diet and are looking for a reason, maybe you should just make an excuse up that would be easier wouldn't it, path of least resistance and all that.
Think of it this way, the food you eat is an energy source for your body plain and simple, electricity is the energy source for your house, any energy that you don't need to use is a waste of money, leaving all the lights on in your house 24/7 is something you don't do as it would be a waste of money. Likewise eating food beyond what your body requires for day to day running that is then stored as fat is a waste of money also, just think how much money over the years you've wasted on that flab?
Foliage said:
She is being sneaky, no question.
All the other points are wrong, 2) MFP works ive lost 3 stone since feb 3) no such thing, starvation mode is a myth, you will lose weight even if you eat too little, wont do your body much good though so best avoided 4) exercise is irrelevant to weight loss, a calorie deficit is what matters, don't eat extra calories to match what MFP says for the exercise as that defeats the purpose & mfp overstates the calories for exercise 5) Whats really to calculate? 1600 calories a day will see anyone no matter their body shape/size lose weight its a deficit. 6) Metabolism is complex but in reality is irrelevant again calorie deficit is what matters.
Soup is mainly water, I make my own soups its super easy and super easy to add to MFP.
I 3 biggest tips for using MFP to lose weight is
1) if your unsure add more, overstate the calories if your unsure how many you've had.
2) get used to feeling hungry, enjoy feeling hungry/empty, start to like it, it means your diet is heading the right way.
3) Cut out bread/rice/potatoes/pasta, eat salad, whole foods (bulgar wheat, quinou, pulses, nuts etc) & veg instead, for example I eat salad with curry instead of rice, bulgar wheat and grilled salmon, roast carrots and swede with roast chicken instead of roast potatoes, as for Italian food the Italians don't eat like we do, they have a pasta course then a meat course with a side dish (Primo, Secondo & Contorno) I don't/make pasta course.
As for alcohol, you either want to lose weight or you don't are you calorie counting that alcohol? if your not, then why bother calorie counting at all, alcohol is so high in calories you cant diet and drink, if you 'need' alcohol to make I through the week/month then you need to take a good look at yourself.
Thanks for that. Got most of your points covered I think. We don't use MFP to work out calories burned. We use BMR * activity factor. All the other points are wrong, 2) MFP works ive lost 3 stone since feb 3) no such thing, starvation mode is a myth, you will lose weight even if you eat too little, wont do your body much good though so best avoided 4) exercise is irrelevant to weight loss, a calorie deficit is what matters, don't eat extra calories to match what MFP says for the exercise as that defeats the purpose & mfp overstates the calories for exercise 5) Whats really to calculate? 1600 calories a day will see anyone no matter their body shape/size lose weight its a deficit. 6) Metabolism is complex but in reality is irrelevant again calorie deficit is what matters.
Soup is mainly water, I make my own soups its super easy and super easy to add to MFP.
I 3 biggest tips for using MFP to lose weight is
1) if your unsure add more, overstate the calories if your unsure how many you've had.
2) get used to feeling hungry, enjoy feeling hungry/empty, start to like it, it means your diet is heading the right way.
3) Cut out bread/rice/potatoes/pasta, eat salad, whole foods (bulgar wheat, quinou, pulses, nuts etc) & veg instead, for example I eat salad with curry instead of rice, bulgar wheat and grilled salmon, roast carrots and swede with roast chicken instead of roast potatoes, as for Italian food the Italians don't eat like we do, they have a pasta course then a meat course with a side dish (Primo, Secondo & Contorno) I don't/make pasta course.
As for alcohol, you either want to lose weight or you don't are you calorie counting that alcohol? if your not, then why bother calorie counting at all, alcohol is so high in calories you cant diet and drink, if you 'need' alcohol to make I through the week/month then you need to take a good look at yourself.
Edited by Foliage on Monday 28th July 13:47
I have no doubt MFP works for a lot of people. But the body is fickle. Beta-alanine is supposed to help you with lactic acid build up, lots of people benefit from it. I did a sports science study for a friend and I performed worse when using it. In fact for the whole time using it I felt lousy in the pool. So not everyone follows the simple A +/- B = Desired Result. I am not really arguing here, I just don't like the tone of "you're wrong, it worked for me" because I don't think that paints the full picture nor is it a cover-all.
As to your points in 3) plenty of people out there suggest avoiding pulses and grains... none of this is as straight forward as many make out (all IMO). But do agree with the rest of it. As I mentioned in a later post, I've gotten her to replace rice with grated cauliflower and we swap white potatoes for swede or sweet potatoes (limited sweet potatos as well).
As for alcohol... never even mentioned it but for completeness, we rarely drink and by rarely I mean we might have a cider a month. Also don't drink soft drinks, diet or otherwise.
As for being sneaky... I do try to keep an eye whats in fridges and cupboards day to day and I always ask what she had for breakfast and what she had for lunch, but at the end of the day I am not there so who knows. That is something I cannot do for her. I need her to get using MFP again, she gives up far too readily when nothing has changed after a month of being under the goal.
I kinda don't blame here, but something is amiss. Something is not being done right.
Anyway I am hijacking the OP's thread here so I will leave this here and may start my own thread.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Dont use MFP to guess how much you burn. Many people suggest finding your base metabolic rate (BMR) via an equation (plenty of calculators on line, but remember to use your lean mass, not total mass. This will likely mean guesstimating body fat % unless you can measure it yourself) and then using one of the multipliers.
Using the 1.2 factor for fairly sedentary the BMR than a couple of online calculators come up with, multiplied by 1.2, and then subtracting 500cal (1 lb/week weight loss assumption), gets pretty close (within about 30 cal) to what MFP reckons for the same activity level and 1 lb/week loss so I don't think it's a bad measure. However that was using my total weight, neither calculator mentioned anything about lean weight.I tend to run 10-20km per week (at about 100cal/km according to my garmin) so I plan to enter that separately. It seems to be to be good motivation to either eat less or run more if I track them separately like that.
After 1.5 days of use my conclusion so far is that my bowl of cereal for breakfast and boots meal deal of sandwich, yoghurt and smoothie, which I thought was reasonably healthy, is way too much. I've had over 1500 calories already today and there's no way my dinner's going to be under 420, so I need to cut back a bit or exercise more (not that I didn't already know that).
RizzoTheRat said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Dont use MFP to guess how much you burn. Many people suggest finding your base metabolic rate (BMR) via an equation (plenty of calculators on line, but remember to use your lean mass, not total mass. This will likely mean guesstimating body fat % unless you can measure it yourself) and then using one of the multipliers.
Using the 1.2 factor for fairly sedentary the BMR than a couple of online calculators come up with, multiplied by 1.2, and then subtracting 500cal (1 lb/week weight loss assumption), gets pretty close (within about 30 cal) to what MFP reckons for the same activity level and 1 lb/week loss so I don't think it's a bad measure. However that was using my total weight, neither calculator mentioned anything about lean weight.I tend to run 10-20km per week (at about 100cal/km according to my garmin) so I plan to enter that separately. It seems to be to be good motivation to either eat less or run more if I track them separately like that.
After 1.5 days of use my conclusion so far is that my bowl of cereal for breakfast and boots meal deal of sandwich, yoghurt and smoothie, which I thought was reasonably healthy, is way too much. I've had over 1500 calories already today and there's no way my dinner's going to be under 420, so I need to cut back a bit or exercise more (not that I didn't already know that).
RizzoTheRat said:
After 1.5 days of use my conclusion so far is that my bowl of cereal for breakfast and boots meal deal of sandwich, yoghurt and smoothie, which I thought was reasonably healthy, is way too much.
But it IS healthy (relatively). You can be healthy and overweight. You can be overweight and complete marathons.Define what you really want.
Hoofy said:
RizzoTheRat said:
After 1.5 days of use my conclusion so far is that my bowl of cereal for breakfast and boots meal deal of sandwich, yoghurt and smoothie, which I thought was reasonably healthy, is way too much.
But it IS healthy (relatively). You can be healthy and overweight. You can be overweight and complete marathons.Define what you really want.
d, I almost never got ill.Hoofy said:
RizzoTheRat said:
After 1.5 days of use my conclusion so far is that my bowl of cereal for breakfast and boots meal deal of sandwich, yoghurt and smoothie, which I thought was reasonably healthy, is way too much.
But it IS healthy (relatively). You can be healthy and overweight. You can be overweight and complete marathons.Define what you really want.
I know it's not enough data to extrapolate, but 2 days use of MFP I'm pretty much spot on my target, however it appears I need to be running 25km every week rather then 10-20 I do now
You can't have your cake and eat it, but you can have your cake and run with it 
Efbe said:
Pit Pony said:
Hoofy said:
Pit Pony said:
My fat is on my tummy. I guess that at some point, sit ups would be the way forward.
At no point would sit ups be the way forward. Can't spot-burn.Eleven said:
When I was properly fit I used to catch regular colds and sundry diseases. During my time working in the City, enjoying the excesses on offer and being a fat bd, I almost never got ill.
I can believe it - I wonder if it's because you were always pushing yourself ie overtraining. A buggered immunity is a sign of overtraining. d, I almost never got ill.RizzoTheRat said:
Valid point, healthy's not the word I meant. Less fattening than Subway would probably be a better description
I know it's not enough data to extrapolate, but 2 days use of MFP I'm pretty much spot on my target, however it appears I need to be running 25km every week rather then 10-20 I do now You can't have your cake and eat it, but you can have your cake and run with it
Yep! I've got a bit more relaxed with my eating these days. I just make sure I train hard. I'll use a mirror to monitor things.I know it's not enough data to extrapolate, but 2 days use of MFP I'm pretty much spot on my target, however it appears I need to be running 25km every week rather then 10-20 I do now
You can't have your cake and eat it, but you can have your cake and run with it Another big fan of MFP here, I've lost just under a stone in 3 weeks by using it which I'm pretty happy with as I was just under 14st to begin with. I realised I'm pretty crap at guessing what foods are pretty good or bad for me.
The big bonus is that if you go out for a meal at any sort of chain restaurant then the chances are the menu will be on there which has saved me over 500 calories in one meal as I was thinking the other one was better for me!
The big bonus is that if you go out for a meal at any sort of chain restaurant then the chances are the menu will be on there which has saved me over 500 calories in one meal as I was thinking the other one was better for me!
Hoofy said:
Efbe said:
Pit Pony said:
Hoofy said:
Pit Pony said:
My fat is on my tummy. I guess that at some point, sit ups would be the way forward.
At no point would sit ups be the way forward. Can't spot-burn.Pit Pony said:
I was 105 kg on Boxing day, and 93 kg this morning, and have gone from struggling to climb a 3 to being able to climb a 5. Cycling ? I just cycle as fast as I can for 30 mins, stop for a pint of bitter, and cycle back as slow as I can.
Thing about those sports is that you obviously enjoy them. Imagine trying to do 30 minutes of sit ups and so on. B-o-r-i-n-g!
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