Suprised after using Myfitnesspal

[Hoofy]

Sustainable? Well, that depends - to maintain your mass, you get to eat 3000 kcals a day. That's quite a lot of food so should be easy to maintain.

PS If you're 86kg 5'9 and lean you must have loads of muscle.

[Burwood]

Waist now 34, body fat 16% aiming for 10 at 180lb by my calls. Carrying quite a bit of muscle, 45 yo. As strong as I was at 30 although limited to dumbells on upper body and gym only has 40s.

[Hoofy]

[RobM77]

Opara said:

Hi, after reading on here about this app I decided to start using it to tune up my diet.I put in my stats and it included the deficit required and estimated I should be eating around 2300.

I was kind of winging it before, mainly by trying to work in extra protein as I live weights a few times a week.When it was all added up on myfitnesspal I was always coming in at under 2000 a day, this was from 3 main meals and some snacking.

What I'm wondering is if my usual routine leaves me with a calorific deficit why am I not underweight? I have a usual blowout at the weekend, bacon sarnies, takeaway but I don't drink heavily maybe 4 beers a week.

I was under the impression that calories in vs calories out was the be all and end all.

'My Fitness Pal' is a great tool for tracking calories, but I wouldn't rely too much on its estimates of your calorific needs - I'd work that one out yourself with scales, regular weigh ins and regular calorie counting. I weigh myself every morning and my scales automatically log my weight in my iPhone so usin that data and MFP I've worked out exactly what my calorific intake needs to be to remain the same weight. Everyone's going to have a different BMR and different underlying activity levels during the day (e.g. deskbound, stairs or lift etc).

Regarding your last comment, that message is stressed over and over again because most people like to think that their failure to lose weight is down to something obscure or complicated, because it makes them seem less stupid than just admitting they can't count calories. Counting calories is 95% of the story, but there are of course lots of factors because the human body is a complicated machine - types of fat, sugar vs fat (insulin etc), types of exercise, types of fat, etc etc. By and large though, if you count calories you won't be far off.

[DervVW]

Hoofy said:

DervVW said:

bowl of cereals for example, the recomended amount is usually 30g, thats tiny... I'd had twice as much and maybe more for years!

I'm starting to think it's a marketing scam.

For instance, there's a savoury snack you can buy that's 120g. It says something like "ONLY 95 CALORIES per 50g serving".

1) 50g from 120g is a bugger to measure without a scale.
2) You might as well hide the "per 50g serving" as it's always tiny.

Im sure it is a scam on 'health' food, as is 'health' food in my opinion anyway...

[Hoofy]

DervVW said:

Im sure it is a scam on 'health' food, as is 'health' food in my opinion anyway...

[Burwood]

DervVW said:

Hoofy said:

DervVW said:

bowl of cereals for example, the recomended amount is usually 30g, thats tiny... I'd had twice as much and maybe more for years!

I'm starting to think it's a marketing scam.

For instance, there's a savoury snack you can buy that's 120g. It says something like "ONLY 95 CALORIES per 50g serving".

1) 50g from 120g is a bugger to measure without a scale.
2) You might as well hide the "per 50g serving" as it's always tiny.

Im sure it is a scam on 'health' food, as is 'health' food in my opinion anyway...

Have you just realised that mate

[DervVW]

Burwood said:

DervVW said:

Hoofy said:

DervVW said:

bowl of cereals for example, the recomended amount is usually 30g, thats tiny... I'd had twice as much and maybe more for years!

I'm starting to think it's a marketing scam.

For instance, there's a savoury snack you can buy that's 120g. It says something like "ONLY 95 CALORIES per 50g serving".

1) 50g from 120g is a bugger to measure without a scale.
2) You might as well hide the "per 50g serving" as it's always tiny.

Im sure it is a scam on 'health' food, as is 'health' food in my opinion anyway...

Have you just realised that mate

Never was the sharpest tool in the box

[Foliage]

The Health food industry is massive and a big lie. The current push pack in science about 'fat free' says a lot, with fat free products now being sort of linked to diabetes.

The healthiest foods are those that haven't been dicked around with, cuts of meats, veg, fruit, nuts, milk, grains etc

[RobM77]

Foliage said:

The Health food industry is massive and a big lie. The current push pack in science about 'fat free' says a lot, with fat free products now being sort of linked to diabetes.

The healthiest foods are those that haven't been dicked around with, cuts of meats, veg, fruit, nuts, milk, grains etc

You really can't go wrong with a healthy balanced diet and regular exercise. I put on weight quite easily and adore beer and wine, but my diet consists almost entirely of unprocessed natural food (fresh fruit, fish, meat and veg) and my BMI is bang in the middle of the range. My diet's not boring either - I love Asian food so eat Indian, Thai and Malay style food every day. I can't stand plain cooked meat and veg :yuk:

As I said above, the diet and to some extent the food industry preys on people who like to think there's a complicated answer to their self-labelled 'complicated' problem. The truth is that there isn't, the answer's pretty simple.

[Burwood]

RobM77 said:

Foliage said:

The Health food industry is massive and a big lie. The current push pack in science about 'fat free' says a lot, with fat free products now being sort of linked to diabetes.

The healthiest foods are those that haven't been dicked around with, cuts of meats, veg, fruit, nuts, milk, grains etc

You really can't go wrong with a healthy balanced diet and regular exercise. I put on weight quite easily and adore beer and wine, but my diet consists almost entirely of unprocessed natural food (fresh fruit, fish, meat and veg) and my BMI is bang in the middle of the range. My diet's not boring either - I love Asian food so eat Indian, Thai and Malay style food every day. I can't stand plain cooked meat and veg :yuk:

As I said above, the diet and to some extent the food industry preys on people who like to think there's a complicated answer to their self-labelled 'complicated' problem. The truth is that there isn't, the answer's pretty simple.

Yep- i love food and generally too much of it but it's rare that i get caught out regarding what's in the food I eat. There is no secret. Like you say Vigorous exercise and I can eat what I want. Personally I think the food industry is worse than the drug and alcohol industry. It needs massive overhauling and until it is, people in this country et al will die in massive numbers. I do accept that most probably don't care about healthy food and ingredients but the industry goes out of its way to deceive the consumer.

[RobM77]

Burwood said:

RobM77 said:

Foliage said:

The Health food industry is massive and a big lie. The current push pack in science about 'fat free' says a lot, with fat free products now being sort of linked to diabetes.

The healthiest foods are those that haven't been dicked around with, cuts of meats, veg, fruit, nuts, milk, grains etc

You really can't go wrong with a healthy balanced diet and regular exercise. I put on weight quite easily and adore beer and wine, but my diet consists almost entirely of unprocessed natural food (fresh fruit, fish, meat and veg) and my BMI is bang in the middle of the range. My diet's not boring either - I love Asian food so eat Indian, Thai and Malay style food every day. I can't stand plain cooked meat and veg :yuk:

As I said above, the diet and to some extent the food industry preys on people who like to think there's a complicated answer to their self-labelled 'complicated' problem. The truth is that there isn't, the answer's pretty simple.

Yep- i love food and generally too much of it but it's rare that i get caught out regarding what's in the food I eat. There is no secret. Like you say Vigorous exercise and I can eat what I want. Personally I think the food industry is worse than the drug and alcohol industry. It needs massive overhauling and until it is, people in this country et al will die in massive numbers. I do accept that most probably don't care about healthy food and ingredients but the industry goes out of its way to deceive the consumer.

I agree entirely. Plus we need to change the way we teach physical education at school. We need to encourage children to be active in all ways, not just to run around playing team sports, which isn't for everyone. Children brought up hating football and rugby might not realise or be exposed to the health benefits and enjoyment from hiking, racket sports, cycling, martial arts, gymnastics etc. I was lucky at school in that our Physics teacher gave up his lunch hour in my final year to take a group of us running, a sport I ended up loving, but other than that I had to do all my sport off my own back outside school, which I think is wrong.

We also need to teach more about nutrition and diet at school.

Finishing school for me was when I started to lose weight and get fit, and it shouldn't be like that!!

[Foliage]

Burwood said:

Yep- i love food and generally too much of it but it's rare that i get caught out regarding what's in the food I eat. There is no secret. Like you say Vigorous exercise and I can eat what I want. Personally I think the food industry is worse than the drug and alcohol industry. It needs massive overhauling and until it is, people in this country et al will die in massive numbers. I do accept that most probably don't care about healthy food and ingredients but the industry goes out of its way to deceive the consumer.

Its not the food industry though its supermarkets, they have more say on products than you would think.

[Burwood]

Foliage said:

Burwood said:

Yep- i love food and generally too much of it but it's rare that i get caught out regarding what's in the food I eat. There is no secret. Like you say Vigorous exercise and I can eat what I want. Personally I think the food industry is worse than the drug and alcohol industry. It needs massive overhauling and until it is, people in this country et al will die in massive numbers. I do accept that most probably don't care about healthy food and ingredients but the industry goes out of its way to deceive the consumer.

Its not the food industry though its supermarkets, they have more say on products than you would think.

Fair cop. i'll lump them all together as the 'industry'. I've even got an issue with the fonts some packaging. Even I struggle to read it it's so bloody small.

[Burwood]

Foliage said:

Burwood said:

Yep- i love food and generally too much of it but it's rare that i get caught out regarding what's in the food I eat. There is no secret. Like you say Vigorous exercise and I can eat what I want. Personally I think the food industry is worse than the drug and alcohol industry. It needs massive overhauling and until it is, people in this country et al will die in massive numbers. I do accept that most probably don't care about healthy food and ingredients but the industry goes out of its way to deceive the consumer.

Its not the food industry though its supermarkets, they have more say on products than you would think.

Fair cop. i'll lump them all together as the 'industry'. I've even got an issue with the fonts some packaging. Even I struggle to read it it's so bloody small.

[Halb]

Opara said:

I was under the impression that calories in vs calories out was the be all and end all.

From pure bodyweight loss it is. But if you wanna sculpt your body then what goes in is as important as how it is expended.

Foliage said:

The healthiest foods are those that haven't been dicked around with, cuts of meats, veg, fruit, nuts, milk, grains etc

In the programme that listed the top healthiest diets by culture/country, the top spot went to Iceland. It has the highest percentage of non-dicked about food. I think around 10% was made up of cereals and the like, the rest was non-processed.

[Burwood]

Halb said:

Opara said:

I was under the impression that calories in vs calories out was the be all and end all.

From pure bodyweight loss it is. But if you wanna sculpt your body then what goes in is as important as how it is expended.

Foliage said:

The healthiest foods are those that haven't been dicked around with, cuts of meats, veg, fruit, nuts, milk, grains etc

In the programme that listed the top healthiest diets by culture/country, the top spot went to Iceland. It has the highest percentage of non-dicked about food. I think around 10% was made up of cereals and the like, the rest was non-processed.

I'm not sure what you mean by scalp Halb. My fake is the micro nutrients that matter in the 'a calorie is a calorie' which is true but eating mac cres can be compared to any other heathy meal or say pie and chops but it's the nutrients that make the difference. Highly processed food overloads your liver etc. As is the case now, for me it's about being clean on a diet/ cut phas

[DervVW]

So they have introduced a premium version $10 a month (assume that is not £10 for brits?)

Quite a jump! I wonder is it worth it?
And does this mean the free version is about to get very bad?

[Hoofy]

Who knows. Under Armour bought them so they need to make money. But beyond being able to track calories and macros, what else do you really need?

[Foliage]

They are adding adverts .

Will be a while before I see any changes though I guess as I have a windows phone, I actually think the latest version of MFP on windows phone is better than the iphone/android version.

I have been giving fitbit (the Microsoft fitness app) a tinker but the UI on it is terrible, it lacks adjustability and it seems to log steps while im sat at my desk, apparently ive don't 5,000 steps already today..