5x5

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LordGrover

33,539 posts

212 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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Blimey. Just checked the site for the official word - it's way better now. biggrin

When you start failing, read here: FAQ.

Hoofy

76,351 posts

282 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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LordGrover said:
Blimey. Just checked the site for the official word - it's way better now. biggrin
FFS. There goes my scroll finger.

V8mate

45,899 posts

189 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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That's interesting but not conclusive. it discusses how to unpick failure but then also mentions that you will, effectively, have a 5x5 max. (Else we'd all be lifting cars over our heads)

I guess my issue is differentiating.

I'm at 110kg on squats (so, inside the author's 100-140 zone). I'm really not sure my back can take much more.

I'm at 75kg on bench press, yet I feel that I'm way off where I should be. Doing the presses no longer has any impact on my chest - no post-training soreness at all - so, for me, I think my triceps are letting the side down. Hence suggesting I do some tricep-specific work, as I don't think a standard BP will help build them as effectively as specific exercises. Dunno confused

Deads, OHP and barbell row are all still going fine.

LordGrover

33,539 posts

212 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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I've not read the whole shebang in a while, but once you've properly plateaued with 5x5, you go to 3x5 and once that's run its course on to 3x3.
Once you get to that level you're probably pretty strong and need to look for a more advanced program or maybe adjust your goals - after all, gaining strength may be low on the list of priorities once you're' squatting 2.1/2 body weight and deadlifting triple.

NWMark

517 posts

216 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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I started 5x5 in mid July but after 6 weeks got really bored so dropped down to doing it just twice a week, my other 2 gym days started doing non compound stuff.

I really enjoy it, as I like squats but I've got to a level now where my body is falling apart, e.g. I got to 80Kg Bench but have now dropped down to 70Kg as any more and I get pain in my wrist, and at one workout I have to do squats on the smith machine and 125Kg is about my limit due to lower back pain. (i'm fine when doing them on the power rack)

I did Wendler 531 before id heard of 5x5 stronglifts, Wendler takes more time (the 5x15 and 5x10 companion exercises take ages) but has more variety, i'll probably switch back to wendler for the winter and throw in a cardio day to combat the extra food I always eat.

Checking my stronglifts progress.

Squat 80Kg to 130Kg
Bench 60Kg to 80Kg (but back down to 70Kg)
Bar Row 40kg to 70Kg
OH Press 45Kg to 60Kg
Deadlift 130Kg to 155Kg


IroningMan

10,154 posts

246 months

Thursday 2nd October 2014
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Form better this week, still need to improve the deads, though.

Squat 5x5 75kg
Bench 5x5 45kg
OHP 5x5 40kg
Row 5x5 55kg
Deads 1x5 80kg

Properly engaged glutes seem to make a difference to OHP, as does getting the bar lower on my shoulders for squats - not sure if proper 'low bar' just yet, though.

Got to work on keeping neutral back on the way down in the deads.

Art0ir

9,401 posts

170 months

Friday 3rd October 2014
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V8mate said:
That's interesting but not conclusive. it discusses how to unpick failure but then also mentions that you will, effectively, have a 5x5 max. (Else we'd all be lifting cars over our heads)

I guess my issue is differentiating.

I'm at 110kg on squats (so, inside the author's 100-140 zone). I'm really not sure my back can take much more.

I'm at 75kg on bench press, yet I feel that I'm way off where I should be. Doing the presses no longer has any impact on my chest - no post-training soreness at all - so, for me, I think my triceps are letting the side down. Hence suggesting I do some tricep-specific work, as I don't think a standard BP will help build them as effectively as specific exercises. Dunno confused

Deads, OHP and barbell row are all still going fine.
I'm training with a competitive power lifter at the minute. He seems to reckon complimentary movements are at least as important as the primary movements themselves - weighted dips and tricep curls for bench, for example.

GavC88

121 posts

141 months

Saturday 4th October 2014
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Squat - 5,5,3,3,2 @ 100kg
OH Press - 5,4,2,3,3 @ 50kg
Deadlift - 1x5 @ 100kg

Only been once again in the last week. Been on a mini break with the lads so over indulged and diet went to pot!

I've only been gym twice in 16 days, the results show it.

Back on it properly from Monday.

3rd fail on squats and ohp so time to deload them!

GET BACK IN THE GAME

GavC88

121 posts

141 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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Squat - 5x5 @ 90kg (de loaded from 100kg)
Bench Press - 5, 5, 3, 2, 2 @ 35kg dumbbells
Barbell rows - 5x5 @ 70kg

Gym was full of idiots today.

Wills2

22,799 posts

175 months

Tuesday 7th October 2014
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I've been on this for 14 weeks I wanted to try something different as I was bored and thought the program would give me some focus.

Currently at

Deadlift 265lb
Bench press 190lb
Squat 200lb
Standing press 125lb
Bent over row 145lb

My legs are weak as you can see! I've had to back track once as my form was suffering as the weight went on especially on squats as I wasn't going down far enough (I hate squats).

I'm not young (mid 40's) so I'm really watching my form.

I find that the routine does give you that "success/achievement" feeling when you add the weight and complete the workout despite wanting to quit half way through.

Not sure how much further I can go, I weigh 185lbs and I'm not blessed with natural strength but I've targeted 1000lbs in total.






Asterix

Original Poster:

24,438 posts

228 months

Wednesday 8th October 2014
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Well I've been thwarted this week from even getting close to the gym due to a combination of work and social commitments.

It appears that all my mates have their birthday in the same bloody week!

I might have to switch it up to and go early morning but I prefer to make sure I've had a good feed before I attempt the heavy stuff.

GavC88

121 posts

141 months

Wednesday 8th October 2014
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Squat - 5x5 @ 92.5kg
OH Press - 5,5,5,4,0 @45kg
Deadlift - 1x5 @ 105kg

Went to a mates gym today. Little bit different to mine.

No cardio machines in sight, chalk everywhere, loud music, weights all over the place, I liked!

Switched the order to do squats, dreads, ohp.

Pulled a muscle or something twingey in my neck on the right side at the end of my ohp so didn't finish them to prevent any other injury or stress to it!

Can't wait to nail the 100kg squats

V8mate

45,899 posts

189 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Had a thought today. 5x5 has been a good regime over the last couple of months, and my strength has smashed through previous PBs. But then today I wondered: has it actually built any visible muscle?

Googling 'does 5x5 build muscle' shows that it's quite a popular topic. What are your experiences?


Anyway, logging my stats from this week:

Squat: 5 x 5 x 112.5kg
Bench: 5 x 5 x 75kg (have been stuck here for a while as I don't always complete the final couple of sets)
OH press: 5 x 5 x 50kg
Row: 5 x 5 x 80kg (with floor drops)
Deads: 5 x 5 120kg (yep, 5x5. One just doesn't seem enough)

V8mate

45,899 posts

189 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Just wandering around the web researching my query^.

Came across one site which said not do 5x5 on deadlifts because:

'They are taxing on your CNS and if you mess around you will get hurt.'

CNS? Central nervous system?

_bryan_

250 posts

179 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Yeah that's right central nervous system. At the weights you're doing now it won't really fry your nervous system doing 5x5, but it will soon as the weights start going up. As they do try doing 5 ramped sets of 5 instead of straight sets.

Wills2

22,799 posts

175 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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This guy recommends 1 x 5 I wouldn't do 5 x 5 on deadlift.

http://stronglifts.com/5x5/


V8mate

45,899 posts

189 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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_bryan_ said:
Yeah that's right central nervous system. At the weights you're doing now it won't really fry your nervous system doing 5x5, but it will soon as the weights start going up. As they do try doing 5 ramped sets of 5 instead of straight sets.
That's a good compromise, actually. I could put the target weight in the third or fourth slot and then try and get one or two over target.

Asterix

Original Poster:

24,438 posts

228 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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Week 10, Day 1 - StrongLifts 5x5

Squat - 5x5 @ 84kg (185lbs)
OH Press - 5x5 @ 36.4kg (80lbs)
Deadlift - 1x5 @ 102.3kg (225lbs)

First time I've been able to get to the gym for nearly two weeks so did a mini deload or stayed the same - Squats were horrible. Really horrible.

V8mate

45,899 posts

189 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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V8mate said:
Had a thought today. 5x5 has been a good regime over the last couple of months, and my strength has smashed through previous PBs. But then today I wondered: has it actually built any visible muscle?

Googling 'does 5x5 build muscle' shows that it's quite a popular topic. What are your experiences?
Anyone?

IroningMan

10,154 posts

246 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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Managed two workouts this week;

Squat 5x5 @ 80kg
OHP 5,5,5,4,4 @42.5kg - first failure
Deads 1x5 @ 85kg - yay! First bodyweight lift ever
Bench 5x5 @ 45kg
Row 5x5 @ 55kg

Form getting better - especially squats and deads - I really enjoyed tonight's session, despite the OHP failure.