Detoxing, health risks and work
Discussion
Halb said:
Three pounds in weight fat loss in one week is extreme.
But what is it? Fat? Muscle? Water?
Dunno. I've just changed from eating lots of rubbish and drinking almost all coffee and a bit too much booze to for the last week trying to cut out carbs. No coffee, no drinks apart from water (lots) and herbal tees. Also have been eating mainly protein, think like chicken breast plain with veg. Having eggs for breakfast.But what is it? Fat? Muscle? Water?
So no breads, no oats, no sugar. No cereals after I read about them. No potato. Also changes how I cook my food. Now grill any meat, and don't use oil like I was.
Probably most of its water at the moment. However I can live with this diet, I'm not missing the junk food or coffee now. I'm not even missing the booze at the moment.
I've not started insanity yet as I've been too ill.
Prof Prolapse said:
Well if nothing else they are liable for being sued if they don't attempt to diagnose their patients, so again, based on what you've said I won't alter my position.
You seem a nice bloke, but I'm not going to sympathise with you getting signed off so you can do what you can get healthy. Most people do this on their own time. Why shouldn't you?
I suppose the brutally honest answer its I'm not strong enough. As things stand I'm not really in a fit state to work. I suppose the honest answer is that I could have continued with my old lifestyle, or chosen to change it on holiday. But I didn't. Sorry if this sound selfish, but I am glad I took that decision. I'm feeling more motivated to get in shape and be the best version of myself than I have for the past 8ish years. And there is no doubt that my old lifestyle wasn't healthy or good for anyone long term. You seem a nice bloke, but I'm not going to sympathise with you getting signed off so you can do what you can get healthy. Most people do this on their own time. Why shouldn't you?
I've been having severe pains in my stomach and have been crapping and puking blood, that's why I am having the camera down the mouth. That is my own fault I suppose, hoping it's just an ulser and nothing more serious. But I'll have to wait and see. Too late to change that now, just going to see what happens.
Now down to 15 stone 3 pounds. So 9 pounds lost since I started the thread. Don't worry I know most of that will be water and some muscle. But my clothes are fitting better and I'm feeling much more healthy. I now have constant energy throughout the day.
Still not had any alcohol, or processed food (realised cereal for breaky was cheating so swapped to eggs), coffee/tea, or any form of bread or rice or potatoes.
I've been averaging about 120g of protein a day. Realised that wasn't enough from a bodybuilding site so not am upping it to 170g.
What did shock me from going through my diet is that I have reduced my fat far far too much. I need around 70g a day, and haven't got anything like that. So now I'm cooking my eggs in a healthy amount of olive oil and adding cheese. Also adding full fat milk to my protein shakes (Unflavoured) mixed with either fresh or frozen fruits as to avoid adding suggersers or sweeteners given in the premixed.
My only form of carbs has been vegetables and fruits. And I'm fine with that. Infact I've been loving it.
Now started on protein shakes to give me a rest from eating tons of chicken breast a day and none stop hard boiled eggs.
Starting a new training regime tonight. 3 times a week at a 24 hour gym. That will fit in with my work when I'm back, and will also give me time for yoga and cardio. Doing fully body exercise composing of mainly compound lifting. I'm sure I will ache a lot when I start.
Not looking into other supplements like creating and others. Although I'll probably give it a few months before I get into that.
Have cheated a bit though. I've been drinking 3 cups of green tea a day which does contain caffeine. Apart from that it's just been caffeine free heal tea or a ton of water.
Still not had any alcohol, or processed food (realised cereal for breaky was cheating so swapped to eggs), coffee/tea, or any form of bread or rice or potatoes.
I've been averaging about 120g of protein a day. Realised that wasn't enough from a bodybuilding site so not am upping it to 170g.
What did shock me from going through my diet is that I have reduced my fat far far too much. I need around 70g a day, and haven't got anything like that. So now I'm cooking my eggs in a healthy amount of olive oil and adding cheese. Also adding full fat milk to my protein shakes (Unflavoured) mixed with either fresh or frozen fruits as to avoid adding suggersers or sweeteners given in the premixed.
My only form of carbs has been vegetables and fruits. And I'm fine with that. Infact I've been loving it.
Now started on protein shakes to give me a rest from eating tons of chicken breast a day and none stop hard boiled eggs.
Starting a new training regime tonight. 3 times a week at a 24 hour gym. That will fit in with my work when I'm back, and will also give me time for yoga and cardio. Doing fully body exercise composing of mainly compound lifting. I'm sure I will ache a lot when I start.
Not looking into other supplements like creating and others. Although I'll probably give it a few months before I get into that.
Have cheated a bit though. I've been drinking 3 cups of green tea a day which does contain caffeine. Apart from that it's just been caffeine free heal tea or a ton of water.
Trouble with these threads is that people are too optimistic, they put too much pressure on themselves and do too much, it ends up backfiring..no offence OP
You have got to be realistic and choose a lifestyle you can easily sustain and enjoy for for the rest of your life, diets and quitting "everything" at once usually backfires
Over the last year I have quit booze, cut down on crap food and upped the exercise and really reaped the benefits, but it was done gradually over time in a sustainable way
Where as my mate always goes on and on about the latest diet he is on, how he is forever "detoxing" himself, how I should eat more healthy food as the gregs I had once a month is full of fat...yet he is still 5 stone overweight and i nearly have a six pack!
Dont want to sound harsh OP and great work so far , but be fair to yourself and make sure you pick a lifestyle over a diet .
You have got to be realistic and choose a lifestyle you can easily sustain and enjoy for for the rest of your life, diets and quitting "everything" at once usually backfires
Over the last year I have quit booze, cut down on crap food and upped the exercise and really reaped the benefits, but it was done gradually over time in a sustainable way
Where as my mate always goes on and on about the latest diet he is on, how he is forever "detoxing" himself, how I should eat more healthy food as the gregs I had once a month is full of fat...yet he is still 5 stone overweight and i nearly have a six pack!
Dont want to sound harsh OP and great work so far , but be fair to yourself and make sure you pick a lifestyle over a diet .
FredClogs said:
Unless you're into some serious Zen mastery self control samurai ninja shizzle I have to agree with those that are saying take one step at a time.
Meditation will help but you'll spend some time trying before it falls into place and your frame of mind needs to be right.
If you don't try something you will never succeed. If you try you might fail, but you might get there. I'm not saying my way of doing things is perfect, but so far I am happy with it. Meditation will help but you'll spend some time trying before it falls into place and your frame of mind needs to be right.
Prof Prolapse said:
I was telling a research nurse a few months ago how neither detox nor anti-oxidants were actually a real thing (in the way they are marketed).
The mind boggles.
Antioxidants are a fantastic wheeze for the people trying to sell superfoods. They took something 99% of the population knows nothing of and spun it as good, when in fact it may even be harmful. Marketing at its best.The mind boggles.
Flibble said:
Antioxidants are a fantastic wheeze for the people trying to sell superfoods. They took something 99% of the population knows nothing of and spun it as good, when in fact it may even be harmful. Marketing at its best.
Okay - I don't think this was aimed at me specifically. But I want to hit this point. I've not taken any "antioxidants". What I did was removed all crap food from my diet, and replaced it with base ingrediants. So instead of eating loads of dominoes pizzas or shop brought microwave junk food, I've made my own food from things which are entirely natural. This has allowed me to know exactly what I am eating, and tailer it around what I want to put into my body.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with eating take away's or anything else - but I decided for a while at least I wanted to know exactly what I was consuming. That and I decided I didn't want to include certain drugs in my diet like caffeine, nicotine or alcohol.
And actually it's worked for me. I've lost nearly a stone (which I don't put a lot of "weight" on, as I know a lot of that is water), I'm more hydrated, my energy levels are much more consistent throughout the day, I'm sleeping better and I just feel more alive. I actually enjoy waking up in the morning. I'm enjoying playing with my diet and tailoring specifically to my goals - which are currently fat loss and muscle gain. Admittedly that is pretty hard to do, but given my BF is around 20% I should be able to sustain it for a while.
Now all of those things might be a placebo, I might be just imagining them in my head. But if it's working even as a placebo I think that is a good thing. I think everyone should be encouraged about how they are fuelling their body compared to what they want from it. Specific point in my example, I've realised I wasn't eating anywhere near enough fat so I'm not enjoying chomping through a certain amount of certain nuts a day. People on here will go on for 50 pages about the merits of different types of petrol, yet people get put down for looking into the energy they give their bodies.
The litmus test to see if it is working will come at around new years. I will post a photo of my with my shirt off then and now - and then we can see if my much maligned diet and exercise program is working or not. If I have not lost a reasonable amount of fat and become more muscular then I will step back and accept I was entirely wrong. The only supplements I am using are protein shakes, multivitamins and I am going to start on creatine.
I think he was very much responding to my anecdote about specious reasoning, which as you say wasn't aimed at you.
It's great you're doing well with it. You just need to be realistic about what you can maintain because yo-yo dieting and health kicks are common because they don't require discipline unlike living well.
As you say some people use the placebo effect to their benefit, a member of the family has lost 6 stone by being incorrectly diagnosed with an illness by a charlatan. I was told to leave her be and as it's no threat to her health and she has the money to burn on daft treatments why wouldn't I?
Vitamins can be beneficial, but if you sort out your diet like you say you have they should be a waste of money.
Likewise the protein, most Western diets contain an abundance of protein, unless you're seriously into the weights you shouldn't need them. You certainly shouldn't be bulking up if you're overweight already. Otherwise your body just pisses away the rather expensive powders.
It's great you're doing well with it. You just need to be realistic about what you can maintain because yo-yo dieting and health kicks are common because they don't require discipline unlike living well.
As you say some people use the placebo effect to their benefit, a member of the family has lost 6 stone by being incorrectly diagnosed with an illness by a charlatan. I was told to leave her be and as it's no threat to her health and she has the money to burn on daft treatments why wouldn't I?
Vitamins can be beneficial, but if you sort out your diet like you say you have they should be a waste of money.
Likewise the protein, most Western diets contain an abundance of protein, unless you're seriously into the weights you shouldn't need them. You certainly shouldn't be bulking up if you're overweight already. Otherwise your body just pisses away the rather expensive powders.
I got my BF measured and it's at 21% so overweight but not obese. In 3 months I want this down to 15%.
I am doing a relatively intense bodybuilding programme at the moment, incorporating lots of compound lifts. So I do need the protein. I've worked out I need around 200g a day. It's possible to get that from my diet but I certainly wouldn't enjoy it.
My plan right now isn't to lose a huge amount of weight. But to lose fat and build muscle. I am down to 15stone 3 pounds. And I'd like to stay at the 15stone mark.
As I've said - by xmas or new year, I'll post a before and after photo. Then I'll either be ridiculed for my stupid plan, or people might realise it can work and be done. Overall for me to get into the shape I want without using steroids I'm looking at around 2 years. But I should see a decent change within a few months. I naturally am pretty muscular, so now I've got my nutrition and training on point I think I will be fine.
My program is intensive all body workout every other day (got it today and my legs are still dead from squats), and then light cardio and yoga on the day offs.
I am more than able to maintain this diet. I'm not missing all the junk food, and it's nice being able to eat what I want without always going for the easy option.
I am doing a relatively intense bodybuilding programme at the moment, incorporating lots of compound lifts. So I do need the protein. I've worked out I need around 200g a day. It's possible to get that from my diet but I certainly wouldn't enjoy it.
My plan right now isn't to lose a huge amount of weight. But to lose fat and build muscle. I am down to 15stone 3 pounds. And I'd like to stay at the 15stone mark.
As I've said - by xmas or new year, I'll post a before and after photo. Then I'll either be ridiculed for my stupid plan, or people might realise it can work and be done. Overall for me to get into the shape I want without using steroids I'm looking at around 2 years. But I should see a decent change within a few months. I naturally am pretty muscular, so now I've got my nutrition and training on point I think I will be fine.
My program is intensive all body workout every other day (got it today and my legs are still dead from squats), and then light cardio and yoga on the day offs.
I am more than able to maintain this diet. I'm not missing all the junk food, and it's nice being able to eat what I want without always going for the easy option.
You can't measure obesity by body fat test, just body fat, although the body fat test is arguably better for your purposes you can only define obesity by measuring your kg/m^2 (BMI). It sounds a pedantic point, but with all this talk of being healthy I'm trying to be helpful as all medical links to obesity are linked the latter definition.
Anyway, protein, a good paper easy to read link for you;
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki1.htm?clickid=...
It does advocate the use of protein for high intensity weights, but it seems much more even handed than most you see on the interweb.
Anyway, protein, a good paper easy to read link for you;
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki1.htm?clickid=...
It does advocate the use of protein for high intensity weights, but it seems much more even handed than most you see on the interweb.
Thanks Prop Prolapse.
Using the NHS measure my BMI is 29.9. Which is as near to obese at you can get without being there. However as you said, this means nothing in the context of what I am aiming for. Using that scale most professional rugby players would be either obese or morbidly obese, whilst having very high levels of fitness, and in some cases very low body fat.
I did tailor my protein to 1g/pound of lean mass. Which means I should be having around 170/80 of protein a day. Which is why I said I needed around 200g. The article was interesting, however really it only confirmed what I had already found out. I'm happy to waste some money if I'm wasting protein, however they way I am working out pretty much every muscle in my body is killing me after a workout. I'm going for a whole body workout, incorporating loads of compound lifts so I can have one full day of to recovery between them. I'm also trying to do some time on my road bike on the days off to improve my cardiovascular fitness.
I'm not trying to say my methods are 100% right - but I am sure they were better than before. I am also sure I will alter them as I go along. Currently I am thinking about going on a "keto" diet. However I'm happier with having the carbs from lots of vegetables and whole milk for the current moment. If I am not losing the amount of belly I want then I will change this.
Using the NHS measure my BMI is 29.9. Which is as near to obese at you can get without being there. However as you said, this means nothing in the context of what I am aiming for. Using that scale most professional rugby players would be either obese or morbidly obese, whilst having very high levels of fitness, and in some cases very low body fat.
I did tailor my protein to 1g/pound of lean mass. Which means I should be having around 170/80 of protein a day. Which is why I said I needed around 200g. The article was interesting, however really it only confirmed what I had already found out. I'm happy to waste some money if I'm wasting protein, however they way I am working out pretty much every muscle in my body is killing me after a workout. I'm going for a whole body workout, incorporating loads of compound lifts so I can have one full day of to recovery between them. I'm also trying to do some time on my road bike on the days off to improve my cardiovascular fitness.
I'm not trying to say my methods are 100% right - but I am sure they were better than before. I am also sure I will alter them as I go along. Currently I am thinking about going on a "keto" diet. However I'm happier with having the carbs from lots of vegetables and whole milk for the current moment. If I am not losing the amount of belly I want then I will change this.
photosnob said:
I'm not trying to say my methods are 100% right - but I am sure they were better than before. I am also sure I will alter them as I go along. Currently I am thinking about going on a "keto" diet. However I'm happier with having the carbs from lots of vegetables and whole milk for the current moment. If I am not losing the amount of belly I want then I will change this.
Protein powders aren't a waste, even if they get pissed out, if your goal is fat loss.Don't go full keto, just limit your carbs carefully. Intense effort and muscle building (and note I state muscle building not bodybuilder ramping/bulking) requires carbs. Limiting carbs severely (when taking exercise into account) will hamper your efforts.
photosnob said:
Okay - I don't think this was aimed at me specifically. But I want to hit this point.
I've not taken any "antioxidants". What I did was removed all crap food from my diet, and replaced it with base ingrediants. So instead of eating loads of dominoes pizzas or shop brought microwave junk food, I've made my own food from things which are entirely natural. This has allowed me to know exactly what I am eating, and tailer it around what I want to put into my body.
Not aimed as anyone specifically no.I've not taken any "antioxidants". What I did was removed all crap food from my diet, and replaced it with base ingrediants. So instead of eating loads of dominoes pizzas or shop brought microwave junk food, I've made my own food from things which are entirely natural. This has allowed me to know exactly what I am eating, and tailer it around what I want to put into my body.
As for proper meals, I'm not going to criticise anyone for cooking their own meals, they will be of higher quality and better nutrition most likely than ready meals.
photosnob said:
Halb said:
Three pounds in weight fat loss in one week is extreme.
But what is it? Fat? Muscle? Water?
Dunno. I've just changed from eating lots of rubbish and drinking almost all coffee and a bit too much booze to for the last week trying to cut out carbs. No coffee, no drinks apart from water (lots) and herbal tees. Also have been eating mainly protein, think like chicken breast plain with veg. Having eggs for breakfast.But what is it? Fat? Muscle? Water?
So no breads, no oats, no sugar. No cereals after I read about them. No potato. Also changes how I cook my food. Now grill any meat, and don't use oil like I was.
Probably most of its water at the moment. However I can live with this diet, I'm not missing the junk food or coffee now. I'm not even missing the booze at the moment.
I've not started insanity yet as I've been too ill.
Only interesting thing to me is how A sheds 3lbs in a week & is queried, but a certain shift is ok.
Either way, 3 marathons in a week is good going.
photosnob said:
Thanks Prop Prolapse.
Using the NHS measure my BMI is 29.9. Which is as near to obese at you can get without being there. However as you said, this means nothing in the context of what I am aiming for. Using that scale most professional rugby players would be either obese or morbidly obese, whilst having very high levels of fitness, and in some cases very low body fat.
I did tailor my protein to 1g/pound of lean mass. Which means I should be having around 170/80 of protein a day. Which is why I said I needed around 200g. The article was interesting, however really it only confirmed what I had already found out. I'm happy to waste some money if I'm wasting protein, however they way I am working out pretty much every muscle in my body is killing me after a workout. I'm going for a whole body workout, incorporating loads of compound lifts so I can have one full day of to recovery between them. I'm also trying to do some time on my road bike on the days off to improve my cardiovascular fitness.
I'm not trying to say my methods are 100% right - but I am sure they were better than before. I am also sure I will alter them as I go along. Currently I am thinking about going on a "keto" diet. However I'm happier with having the carbs from lots of vegetables and whole milk for the current moment. If I am not losing the amount of belly I want then I will change this.
Please don't use BMI to judge yourself. It's entirely too easy to be 'perfect' according to it and still incredibly unhealthy - and vice-versa.Using the NHS measure my BMI is 29.9. Which is as near to obese at you can get without being there. However as you said, this means nothing in the context of what I am aiming for. Using that scale most professional rugby players would be either obese or morbidly obese, whilst having very high levels of fitness, and in some cases very low body fat.
I did tailor my protein to 1g/pound of lean mass. Which means I should be having around 170/80 of protein a day. Which is why I said I needed around 200g. The article was interesting, however really it only confirmed what I had already found out. I'm happy to waste some money if I'm wasting protein, however they way I am working out pretty much every muscle in my body is killing me after a workout. I'm going for a whole body workout, incorporating loads of compound lifts so I can have one full day of to recovery between them. I'm also trying to do some time on my road bike on the days off to improve my cardiovascular fitness.
I'm not trying to say my methods are 100% right - but I am sure they were better than before. I am also sure I will alter them as I go along. Currently I am thinking about going on a "keto" diet. However I'm happier with having the carbs from lots of vegetables and whole milk for the current moment. If I am not losing the amount of belly I want then I will change this.
If you want to measure fat loss, get a pair of body calipers, or simply compare pictures taken of yourself in the mirror in the same way each time.
Okay - this isn't just a random thread bump. A while ago I made a bold claim I was going to make some changes to my life and sort it out. I said I'd post some photo's to see if it's worked. Well in my opinion I've not done that well - however I have made a start. I have not touched any alcohol since starting the thread, nor have I smoked a cig. But I have drank coffee - so some of you were correct.
This is how I looked after at the beginning.
Then after much dieting I looked like this (still plenty of fat):
And now I've started "bulking" as I don't want to be skinny and look like this:
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Feel free to take the p*ss I know I would - I know I'm still quite fat - so whoever said like a "permafat" women was slightly correct. However this time next year before xmas I will be in MUCH better shape.
This is how I looked after at the beginning.
Then after much dieting I looked like this (still plenty of fat):
And now I've started "bulking" as I don't want to be skinny and look like this:
Feel free to take the p*ss I know I would - I know I'm still quite fat - so whoever said like a "permafat" women was slightly correct. However this time next year before xmas I will be in MUCH better shape.
grumbledoak said:
Looks like three months without alcohol. Good work. Keep going.
What about the blood coming out of various orifices? Was that an ulcer or has your room-mate run out of Rohypnol?
Ha no it wasn't. After many blood tests I now seem to work okay though. What about the blood coming out of various orifices? Was that an ulcer or has your room-mate run out of Rohypnol?
Down just over 2 stone - which is a bit on the light side for me. Hoping this time next year I can be 3/4 stone heavier than now but with lower bf. We will see how that goes.
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