Had enough of the belly, it's time to go!!
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johnwilliams77 said:
Someone will know this better than me...
What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
Ask hoofy. That's him to a T.What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
johnwilliams77 said:
Someone will know this better than me...
What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
It's not 'quite' as simple as calories in vs calories out. A calorie is not a calorie is not a calorie.What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
Fat calories are processed quite differently to carb calories by the body, as again are protein calories, so consuming a deficit diet of purely carbs won't have the same effect as a high protein deficit diet.
LordGrover said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Someone will know this better than me...
What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
Ask hoofy. That's him to a T.What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
I do have age on my side, though.
Ever since getting into this fitness lark, I've drank more booze than ever. Something's not right here!!
Edited by Hoofy on Wednesday 7th October 19:37
shakotan said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Someone will know this better than me...
What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
It's not 'quite' as simple as calories in vs calories out. A calorie is not a calorie is not a calorie.What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
Fat calories are processed quite differently to carb calories by the body, as again are protein calories, so consuming a deficit diet of purely carbs won't have the same effect as a high protein deficit diet.
king much of everything.johnwilliams77 said:
Someone will know this better than me...
What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
Someone tried it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-katz-md/chewin...What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
It worked like a charm, he lost weight and his cholesterol improved. Turns out those things are more dependent on not being obese than what you actually eat.
Your body is very adaptable, much more so than many people think. You can get away with eating a lot of crap if you keep the portion sizes down.
RichTT said:
Long term update on this. I'm down to 90kg, so 10kg lost in total since February and feeling a hell of a lot better for it! Down from wearing a 38-40" waist trousers to 34-36" depending on how comfy I want to be!
well done!Never saw this thread before, but spookily similar to me, 36, 96kg, walk the dog twice a day, was 75kg at uni, and time to lose the belly!
How are you managing it, smaller portions and exercise? I'm doing too much eating out, really have to start cooking more! good luck and keep it up!
Hoofy said:
shakotan said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Someone will know this better than me...
What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
It's not 'quite' as simple as calories in vs calories out. A calorie is not a calorie is not a calorie.What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
Fat calories are processed quite differently to carb calories by the body, as again are protein calories, so consuming a deficit diet of purely carbs won't have the same effect as a high protein deficit diet.
king much of everything.t food. So the OPs question about whether they should just eat rubbish in deficit WILL eventually achieve low BF, but they'll have other health issues so I wouldn't recommend it.shakotan said:
Hoofy said:
shakotan said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Someone will know this better than me...
What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
It's not 'quite' as simple as calories in vs calories out. A calorie is not a calorie is not a calorie.What would happen if I ate nothing but rubbish: crisps, cheese, breads, pasta but under 2000 calories a day along with 500-1000 calories of activity per day? Would I achieve low bf % eventually since I would have a constant calorie defecit?
Fat calories are processed quite differently to carb calories by the body, as again are protein calories, so consuming a deficit diet of purely carbs won't have the same effect as a high protein deficit diet.
king much of everything.t food. So the OPs question about whether they should just eat rubbish in deficit WILL eventually achieve low BF, but they'll have other health issues so I wouldn't recommend it.On the health matter - that's one reason I won't do a kebab a day diet just to prove a point despite being firmly in the CICO camp.
Edited by Hoofy on Thursday 8th October 10:59
HotJambalaya said:
RichTT said:
Long term update on this. I'm down to 90kg, so 10kg lost in total since February and feeling a hell of a lot better for it! Down from wearing a 38-40" waist trousers to 34-36" depending on how comfy I want to be!
well done!Never saw this thread before, but spookily similar to me, 36, 96kg, walk the dog twice a day, was 75kg at uni, and time to lose the belly!
How are you managing it, smaller portions and exercise? I'm doing too much eating out, really have to start cooking more! good luck and keep it up!
2 1/2 years ago I was 100kg (16 1/2 ish stone)and a tight 36" waist at 5'10"
I'm now 90kg (about 14 1/4 st) ad back in 34" trousers. Still a little bit of a belly but not too bad for a soon to be 40 year old.
Smaller portions, healthier food and gym 3-5 times a week depending upon work have really helped me.
Zippee said:
Same here! Well done!
2 1/2 years ago I was 100kg (16 1/2 ish stone)and a tight 36" waist at 5'10"
I'm now 90kg (about 14 1/4 st) ad back in 34" trousers. Still a little bit of a belly but not too bad for a soon to be 40 year old.
Smaller portions, healthier food and gym 3-5 times a week depending upon work have really helped me.
Good for you! I started only 17 months ago, but have changed completely (30" waist from 36/38 - 5'7"). makes getting in and out of our small Tivs a lot easier! 2 1/2 years ago I was 100kg (16 1/2 ish stone)and a tight 36" waist at 5'10"
I'm now 90kg (about 14 1/4 st) ad back in 34" trousers. Still a little bit of a belly but not too bad for a soon to be 40 year old.
Smaller portions, healthier food and gym 3-5 times a week depending upon work have really helped me.
shakotan said:
Agreed, however there is a difference between being skinny and healthy, and skinny and sick, which is what you'd be if you ate a deficit diet of st food. So the OPs question about whether they should just eat rubbish in deficit WILL eventually achieve low BF, but they'll have other health issues so I wouldn't recommend it.
Its difficult to quantify 'st food. So the OPs question about whether they should just eat rubbish in deficit WILL eventually achieve low BF, but they'll have other health issues so I wouldn't recommend it.t' food as well some health foods are terrible for you, packet with salt and sugar, and some 'st' food is actually not that bad for you. I say eat what you want, within your calorie limit, and do some cardio and strength exercises regularly. If your goal is to lose weight.
Foliage said:
Its difficult to quantify 'st' food as well some health foods are terrible for you, packet with salt and sugar, and some 'st' food is actually not that bad for you.
I say eat what you want, within your calorie limit, and do some cardio and strength exercises regularly. If your goal is to lose weight.
I think that if you just want to lose fat, eat whatever but stick to the daily calorie intake. If however, you want to also have a better body and become stronger, it is more important to make every single one of those 2000 calories count.t' food as well some health foods are terrible for you, packet with salt and sugar, and some 'st' food is actually not that bad for you. I say eat what you want, within your calorie limit, and do some cardio and strength exercises regularly. If your goal is to lose weight.
chris watton said:
I think that if you just want to lose fat, eat whatever but stick to the daily calorie intake. If however, you want to also have a better body and become stronger, it is more important to make every single one of those 2000 calories count.
Yeah agreed BUT most of us don't see the need to be greek gods or Olympic atheletes, extremes really don't interest me.My goals are to get lighter, add a bit of definition/shape and increase my speed/stamina running for a reasonable running speed.
It does depend on your goal, and if its to lose weight then cutting out the foods you love might make it tough, reducing portion size is always a good first step.
I only eat half healthily. Probably don't get my 5 a day. Well, it's possible as I usually eat more veg and fruit in the evenings when I have the time to prepare it (wash/cut whatever). I do eat that "healthy" food packed with sugar and salt, too, when I'm on the move during the daytime.
My strength and fitness (note how I separate the two) have improved a lot in the last 3-4 years of training. Am typically playing against people half my age in various sports.
My strength and fitness (note how I separate the two) have improved a lot in the last 3-4 years of training. Am typically playing against people half my age in various sports.
johnwilliams77 said:
Big congrats. I have gone from being even heavier to still slightly above 90kg's. I am aiming for 80-85kg also. I am more concerned that my bf is at decent levels than being obsessed with absolute weight. I am wearing jeans I have not wore since 2006/7, which is nice.
Did you work very hard at diet and training? I have been very active (cycling to work, walking a lot, playing sports) but diet has a lot of room for improvement. I have cut out booze for the last 8 weeks also and plan to keep booze free until I am where I want to be.
Thank you. I don't normally seek praise for something that should be common sense. Eat well, drink less, exercise more. Did you work very hard at diet and training? I have been very active (cycling to work, walking a lot, playing sports) but diet has a lot of room for improvement. I have cut out booze for the last 8 weeks also and plan to keep booze free until I am where I want to be.
But I'm really not doing anything more special than that. I have however had a few helping hands.
Since I work offshore I have a double edged sword when it comes to food. On one hand there's no booze out here for the three weeks, so no temptation. But I also don't get to cook my own food, and the risk of choosing between a cooked breakfast and a bowl of muesli or porridge with some fruit can be a really hard one!
For the first 2-3 months, during my onshore three weeks, I was using myfitnesshelper app to track and quantify the food and drink I was having. That really really helped in understanding what and when I was eating. I didn't live off lentils and veg though. I ate well, ate full meals and cooked plenty.
Third was getting a fitness band. I spent £18 on the MiBand from Xiami and have worn it every single day since February.
But honestly, the simple mantra of eat well, drink less, exercise more just works.
RichTT said:
Thank you. I don't normally seek praise for something that should be common sense. Eat well, drink less, exercise more.
But I'm really not doing anything more special than that. I have however had a few helping hands.
Since I work offshore I have a double edged sword when it comes to food. On one hand there's no booze out here for the three weeks, so no temptation. But I also don't get to cook my own food, and the risk of choosing between a cooked breakfast and a bowl of muesli or porridge with some fruit can be a really hard one!
For the first 2-3 months, during my onshore three weeks, I was using myfitnesshelper app to track and quantify the food and drink I was having. That really really helped in understanding what and when I was eating. I didn't live off lentils and veg though. I ate well, ate full meals and cooked plenty.
Third was getting a fitness band. I spent £18 on the MiBand from Xiami and have worn it every single day since February.
But honestly, the simple mantra of eat well, drink less, exercise more just works.
Well, good on you anyway. I also used to work offshore and the weight piled on after leaving Uni. Eating a lot when away then drinking a lot when I got home. Not great. But I'm really not doing anything more special than that. I have however had a few helping hands.
Since I work offshore I have a double edged sword when it comes to food. On one hand there's no booze out here for the three weeks, so no temptation. But I also don't get to cook my own food, and the risk of choosing between a cooked breakfast and a bowl of muesli or porridge with some fruit can be a really hard one!
For the first 2-3 months, during my onshore three weeks, I was using myfitnesshelper app to track and quantify the food and drink I was having. That really really helped in understanding what and when I was eating. I didn't live off lentils and veg though. I ate well, ate full meals and cooked plenty.
Third was getting a fitness band. I spent £18 on the MiBand from Xiami and have worn it every single day since February.
But honestly, the simple mantra of eat well, drink less, exercise more just works.
It is indeed common sense but my god, that first 6 months of shifting lbs is tough to get going. Those were the easiest lbs to shift as I had the most to lose but hardest to get moving. I have become slightly obsessive this year in hitting my daily aim of 10,000steps, using iPhone health app. (i believe 4 miles) a day walking.
I am enjoying my sports again and enjoy feeling fitter and so I am quite confident in reducing the bf% further. Fingers crossed.
johnwilliams77 said:
Well, good on you anyway. I also used to work offshore and the weight piled on after leaving Uni. Eating a lot when away then drinking a lot when I got home. Not great.
It is indeed common sense but my god, that first 6 months of shifting lbs is tough to get going. Those were the easiest lbs to shift as I had the most to lose but hardest to get moving. I have become slightly obsessive this year in hitting my daily aim of 10,000steps, using iPhone health app. (i believe 4 miles) a day walking.
I would agree with this. It is indeed common sense but my god, that first 6 months of shifting lbs is tough to get going. Those were the easiest lbs to shift as I had the most to lose but hardest to get moving. I have become slightly obsessive this year in hitting my daily aim of 10,000steps, using iPhone health app. (i believe 4 miles) a day walking.
The early and last pounds are the hardest to shift, but for different reasons. In the early days you realise what a long process it will be and it's tempting to slip back. When you're pretty lean, at the end of the process, your body slows the rate of fat loss.
In the middle, there's a stage where you've achieved a lot and don't want to slip back, but you've not hit the low teens % of body fat where biology is fighting you.
13m said:
I would agree with this.
The early and last pounds are the hardest to shift, but for different reasons. In the early days you realise what a long process it will be and it's tempting to slip back. When you're pretty lean, at the end of the process, your body slows the rate of fat loss.
In the middle, there's a stage where you've achieved a lot and don't want to slip back, but you've not hit the low teens % of body fat where biology is fighting you.
I think I am in the middle now. 34-36waist from 40". I don't feel fat but there is more to go...The early and last pounds are the hardest to shift, but for different reasons. In the early days you realise what a long process it will be and it's tempting to slip back. When you're pretty lean, at the end of the process, your body slows the rate of fat loss.
In the middle, there's a stage where you've achieved a lot and don't want to slip back, but you've not hit the low teens % of body fat where biology is fighting you.
I am going to try and do what I did to get where I am now but up the intensity of exercise. I won't be drinking for another 10months or so and I just need to avoid snacks and high sugar foods. I think I will be happy with bf is such that there isn't much fat to grab but I have a feeling at that point I will forget this and wish I was 'ripped'!
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