Oww! Knee pain
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My knees have always been a bit clicky over the years.
I haven't done anything acute to it, bit of cross trainer 2 days ago but nothing mental.
Right knee a bit stiff yesterday. Finished work this morning at 0700 and woke up at 0900 in a lot of pain- hurting in any position, and just gradually seizing up and aching if left straight/bent.
Eventually some iburprofen and ice calmed it down enough to sleep. Back up at 4pm, now it's stiffening up again and is quite hot to touch. No particularly noticeable swelling, most of the pain seems around the front.
What wrong with me?!!
I haven't done anything acute to it, bit of cross trainer 2 days ago but nothing mental.
Right knee a bit stiff yesterday. Finished work this morning at 0700 and woke up at 0900 in a lot of pain- hurting in any position, and just gradually seizing up and aching if left straight/bent.
Eventually some iburprofen and ice calmed it down enough to sleep. Back up at 4pm, now it's stiffening up again and is quite hot to touch. No particularly noticeable swelling, most of the pain seems around the front.
What wrong with me?!!
carreauchompeur said:
Hmm, interesting thought. It does sometimes lock a bit. I've woken up in the middle of the night before but thought it was cramp- it almost feels like the joint goes slightly beyond the normal range of movement and then painfully locks up.
Sounds exactly what I had. Almost like it goes past the lock stops when fully straight and feels like you are about to collapse?I'm certain mine was cartilage or something as sometimes I couldn't fully bend it without something getting trapped. X-ray etc found nothing though and it's gone away by itself and I didn't ever really have 'pain' just awkwardness. Was a crappy year though until it totally went away. Sometimes was just walking down the street and the knee caved in painlessly and I almost ended up on the floor.
From having odd knee pains before I know that pain at night can mean something perculiar going on and definately worth a visit to the GP, with the intention of getting referred for a proper scan. All sorts can go wrong with the knee, and on going knee pain can be very debilitating - get to the GP and get it looked at.
As is often the case, 2 seperate MRI scans found nothing wrong with me, and it sorted itself out but still, better to get it checked out.
As is often the case, 2 seperate MRI scans found nothing wrong with me, and it sorted itself out but still, better to get it checked out.
pushthebutton said:
Get an MRI. Partial tears of the cartlidge can get trapped in the joint and cause it to lock. The longer you leave it the worse it'll eventually be.
Ask me how I know.
You cannot "get" an MRI, an nor should you, it is not a screening test.Ask me how I know.
You need to see your GP, or physio who will take a history and/or refer you on to a specialist, who will explore more and use MRI if useful. Bear in mind MRI can miss up to 10% of problems. People think it is the be all and end all, but I often operate without a pre-op MRI. Some knee problems are obvious.
I saw my GP ten years ago (my early thirties) about a bit of noise and discomfort - he did some blood tests, told me I probably didn't have arthritis and that was the end of his investigations. Still have noise, and occasional discomfort or (rarely) knee giving way, I just avoid doing anything to annoy it. Should probably chase it up, I suppose.
pushthebutton said:
The_Doc said:
You cannot "get" an MRI, an nor should you, it is not a screening test.
Thanks Doc. I "got" one. ;-)Good luck with the knee CC
Ref: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC344505...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC415144...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC321301...
At least 30% of the MRIs that are performed on patients refereed to me have wasted time (patient's) and money (taxpayers') in "getting" an MRI. In my diagnostic pathway I find the MRI adds little, in these cases.
A careful history and examination would be better. MRI is a poor screening test. Coercing a medical professional into signing the request form does you, the MRI scan team, and the NHS budget little overriding benefit in the long term, in my opinion. Yes order an MRI once its diagnostic use is delineated.
None of my comments are meant personally and this is pure discussion on MRI and knee symptoms.
I know Internet self-diagnosis is not always a good thing, however I'm the last week or two I've really noticed a lot of tightness around my lower legs, particularly on the right leg, and pain down the side of the knee, along with stiffness snd cracking.
I'm on Naproxen and Paracetamol but having been at work for 17hrs today it's now really bad.
http://www.knee-pain-explained.com/iliotibial-band...
Seems to fit?
I'm on Naproxen and Paracetamol but having been at work for 17hrs today it's now really bad.
http://www.knee-pain-explained.com/iliotibial-band...
Seems to fit?
Update:
Because I was starting to need time off work through the pain I managed to get a free referral to a physio. Went for an iniitial consultation and then back for another session yesterday.
Utterly brilliant and I wish I'd have done this years ago. Very experienced older physiotherapist has diagnosed straight away that it's stiffness in my calves and hips that is putting a lot of pressure on my knees, which is exacerbated by by feet over-pronating. Have to now see a podiatrist to get shoe inserts to sort the foot positioning out and have a range of exercises for the legs.
Feeling very positive about a way forward, just need to get training for my cycle ride in July now- once I've had a proper bike fit to sort out all my geometry and clips etc.
Fascinating really, lots of niggles I have all seem to trace to the same causes. Nice to get sorted out and hopefully with some orthotics I might get back running again
Because I was starting to need time off work through the pain I managed to get a free referral to a physio. Went for an iniitial consultation and then back for another session yesterday.
Utterly brilliant and I wish I'd have done this years ago. Very experienced older physiotherapist has diagnosed straight away that it's stiffness in my calves and hips that is putting a lot of pressure on my knees, which is exacerbated by by feet over-pronating. Have to now see a podiatrist to get shoe inserts to sort the foot positioning out and have a range of exercises for the legs.
Feeling very positive about a way forward, just need to get training for my cycle ride in July now- once I've had a proper bike fit to sort out all my geometry and clips etc.
Fascinating really, lots of niggles I have all seem to trace to the same causes. Nice to get sorted out and hopefully with some orthotics I might get back running again
Further update:
Physios can be a godsend. So many people just put up with aches and pains, as I did, but shouldn't have to. A simple course of corrective exercise and some special insoles and the difference is amazing. A proper fitting of my bike was a really important factor too.
From not sleeping due to pain/locking after a 40 mile ride, this weekend I completed St. Austell to Bristol in aid of Children's Hospice South West (PM me if you want the Justgiving link
) About 230 miles in total including getting to the start/finish and I didn't have to push up any hills. Back out yesterday and completed a 36 mile ride in under 2 hours. Touch wood, no pain.
Physio... Works!
Physios can be a godsend. So many people just put up with aches and pains, as I did, but shouldn't have to. A simple course of corrective exercise and some special insoles and the difference is amazing. A proper fitting of my bike was a really important factor too.
From not sleeping due to pain/locking after a 40 mile ride, this weekend I completed St. Austell to Bristol in aid of Children's Hospice South West (PM me if you want the Justgiving link
) About 230 miles in total including getting to the start/finish and I didn't have to push up any hills. Back out yesterday and completed a 36 mile ride in under 2 hours. Touch wood, no pain. Physio... Works!
carreauchompeur said:
Physios can be a godsend. So many people just put up with aches and pains, as I did, but shouldn't have to. A simple course of corrective exercise and some special insoles and the difference is amazing. A proper fitting of my bike was a really important factor too.
Just saw this thread in "What's new".I'm hopefully going to be referred for physio soon to try and sort out a knee problem that started during a skiing trip last week. Had it assessed by the muscular-skeletal specialist chap a few weeks ago and he said it's almost certainly not tendons, and probably not cartilage. My knee hasn't been locking but three times has felt as though it's going to collapse. Apparently it's a muscular issue: my muscles aren't providing the support as quickly as they need to sometimes when my joint is loaded. Let's see how I get on with physio. I'm heartened to read of your outcome, carreauchompeur. Thanks.
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